Why is not the Buddhism the true religion?

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Because it’s not Islam :p. That’s the most straightforward answer I can give. There are so many different kinds of Buddhism and I will admit that my knowledge about the intricacies is very limited. What I see consistent throughout it, though, is in overwhelming sense of self-reliance, rather than surrender to the Almighty. There are buddhists who will call on bodhisattvas, like Amitahba, to intervene in their lives, but even then, it’s a celf-centred path. The bodhisattvas merely help you on your way to attain enlightenment-- like a stepping stone.

That’s very different from believing that we ourselves are hopeless without Allah azza wa jal. We can never earn our salvation. The difference is night and day. Self-reliance is only going to lead to despair and ultimately God’s Judgment.
Well, from my perspective that’s the greatest reason to be a Buddhist.

Buddhism, I think, avoids idolatry much better than Islam does–maybe better than most forms of Christianity do.

The most fundamental form of idolatry, it seems to me, at least for us “Abrahamic” folks, is worshiping our own ideas about God. And it seems to me that Muslims are quite prone to this, precisely because you insist so strongly on excluding other, more “obvious” forms of idolatry. Buddhists remind us that all our ideas are, in fact, our ideas–that whatever ultimate reality is, it’s necessarily beyond language–that attachment to the idea of God is just as damaging as attachment to anything else. (In fact, it can be more so–the history of both Islam and Christianity is littered with death and destruction caused by people who worshiped their idea of God. When the Wahhabis massacred the holy men of Mecca in the name of opposing idolatry, they were committing the worst form of idolatry.)

Edwin
 
I didn’t find it helpful at all. The author says that she was “terrified” by the idea of impermanence (it’s not clear that she understood what Buddhists actually teach about Nirvana–indeed, it’s a paradoxical teaching and if you understand it that probably means you have it wrong). Since when does the fact that something is terrifying make it false? Any religion worth its salt has hard truths to tell. The hard truth of Buddhism is that what we think is our “self” isn’t real at all–that there is nothing to cling to, period.

There are other problems with the article, but the dismissal of a powerful and challenging teaching because it’s uncomfortable is a particularly glaring one.

Edwin
 
I didn’t find it helpful at all. The author says that she was “terrified” by the idea of impermanence (it’s not clear that she understood what Buddhists actually teach about Nirvana–indeed, it’s a paradoxical teaching and if you understand it that probably means you have it wrong). Since when does the fact that something is terrifying make it false? Any religion worth its salt has hard truths to tell. The hard truth of Buddhism is that what we think is our “self” isn’t real at all–that there is nothing to cling to, period.

There are other problems with the article, but the dismissal of a powerful and challenging teaching because it’s uncomfortable is a particularly glaring one.

Edwin
I concur. Buddhism does not try to destroy the self. There is no inherently existing self to begin with. Furthermore, Buddhism is against killing any living being unless it cannot be prevented, and so the woman assisting at an abortion does not represent Buddhist values. Of course, Catholics have abortions at the same rate as the rest of society. This does not mean that abortion is ok from a Catholic viewpoint. It simply means that humans make mistakes.

Also, the charge of relativism doesn’t fit. While it is true that no absolute rule can be codified into language, such that it will universally apply in any situation, there is in any moral dilemma a skillful (right) and unskillful (wrong) way of acting.

The precepts Buddhists take are general principles abstracted from the behavior of enlightened beings. Don’t lie / be truthful. Don’t steal / be generous. Don’t kill / cherish all life. Don’t abuse sexuality / practice contentment. Don’t use intoxicants / be mindful.

But there are situations where compassion dictates that one might have to break one or more of these precepts. And so they are not absolutes in that sense. But a fully enlightened mind will always choose the skillful way of acting. Since most of us are not there yet, we may need help from guidelines that work most of the time.
 
Well, from my perspective that’s the greatest reason to be a Buddhist.

Buddhism, I think, avoids idolatry much better than Islam does–maybe better than most forms of Christianity do.

The most fundamental form of idolatry, it seems to me, at least for us “Abrahamic” folks, is worshiping our own ideas about God. And it seems to me that Muslims are quite prone to this, precisely because you insist so strongly on excluding other, more “obvious” forms of idolatry. Buddhists remind us that all our ideas are, in fact, our ideas–that whatever ultimate reality is, it’s necessarily beyond language–that attachment to the idea of God is just as damaging as attachment to anything else. (In fact, it can be more so–the history of both Islam and Christianity is littered with death and destruction caused by people who worshiped their idea of God. When the Wahhabis massacred the holy men of Mecca in the name of opposing idolatry, they were committing the worst form of idolatry.)

Edwin
There’s nothing wrong with idol worship, as long as the idol you worship is a Divine Being, a manifestation of the Word of God in “word AND in deed” and provides a model by which we can emulate Him in our lives.

The idol must provide guidance for the Day in which one lives.

This is how historically God has worked. If we are to avoid our “vain imaginations and idle fancies” of who exactly God is, then a human representation and manifestation is a necessity. We are limited after all…

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why is not the Buddhism the real religion?
To me it is a Real Religion given by God, all the Original Truths of this Religion can also be found in the Original Teachings of Christ in one way or another.
What are the objections to Buddhism?
Why does any body reject the Word of God?

Could it be they object to what man has made of it?

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
Because Buddhists like most religions do not ground truth and all meaning in God and the lord Jesus Christ. It’s that simple.
 
The Council defined the relationship of the Church to non-Christian religions in a specific document that begins with the words “Nostra aetate” (“In our time”).
To quote from Nostra Aetate:

2 … Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination. … The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.

rossum
 
Also, the charge of relativism doesn’t fit. While it is true that no absolute rule can be codified into language, such that it will universally apply in any situation, there is in any moral dilemma a skillful (right) and unskillful (wrong) way of acting.

The precepts Buddhists take are general principles abstracted from the behavior of enlightened beings. Don’t lie / be truthful. Don’t steal / be generous. Don’t kill / cherish all life. Don’t abuse sexuality / practice contentment. Don’t use intoxicants / be mindful.

But there are situations where compassion dictates that one might have to break one or more of these precepts. And so they are not absolutes in that sense. But a fully enlightened mind will always choose the skillful way of acting. Since most of us are not there yet, we may need help from guidelines that work most of the time.
I think that what you describe is a form of moral relativism. That was one of the claims in the article that I did agree with, though of course it was presented too simplistically.

Moral relativism doesn’t mean “do whatever the heck you want to,” though that’s what Christians often reduce it to. It means pretty much what you just laid out–you can’t say that certain actions are always wrong under all circumstances. Speaking of morality in terms of “skill” is in fact an excellent statement of moral relativism.

I’m not using this as a smear. I have problems with Buddhist moral relativism, but I also take it seriously. I think it’s much better grounded than the Western secular versions.

Edwin
 
I think that what you describe is a form of moral relativism. That was one of the claims in the article that I did agree with, though of course it was presented too simplistically.

Moral relativism doesn’t mean “do whatever the heck you want to,” though that’s what Christians often reduce it to. It means pretty much what you just laid out–you can’t say that certain actions are always wrong under all circumstances. Speaking of morality in terms of “skill” is in fact an excellent statement of moral relativism.

I’m not using this as a smear. I have problems with Buddhist moral relativism, but I also take it seriously. I think it’s much better grounded than the Western secular versions.

Edwin
Perhaps you are right. Perhaps it can be considered a form of relativism. But in the CC, the perfect revelation of God is not a text but a person? And sanctification/theosis happens by being transformed into what Christ is. Jesus sometimes broke the rules when he saw that it was right to do so. To an extent I think the two approaches to morals are different ways of expressing the same truth. Both would agree that we should lie to a Nazi who wants to know if you are hiding Jews in the basement. It is the right thing to do in this situation. Both would agree that in a perfect world, lying would not be needed. The explanations for this would differ somewhat.
 
Perhaps you are right. Perhaps it can be considered a form of relativism. But in the CC, the perfect revelation of God is not a text but a person?
Yes. I think that’s the key distinctive Christianity has to offer to the conversation. Ratzinger’s comments in Introduction to Christianity on the difference between an individual and a person have implications for Christian/Buddhist dialogue, I think, although unfortunately Ratzinger/Benedict himself has never had the interest in or knowledge of Buddhism to follow those implications up.
And sanctification/theosis happens by being transformed into what Christ is. Jesus sometimes broke the rules when he saw that it was right to do so.
You’re confusing “positive law” with natural law. Jesus never violated natural law or the revealed moral law.
To an extent I think the two approaches to morals are different ways of expressing the same truth. Both would agree that we should lie to a Nazi who wants to know if you are hiding Jews in the basement.
Not necessarily. Whether lying is intrinsically evil (or more precisely, whether asserting something false with the intention to deceive is necessarily lying regardless of circumstances) is a point of debate within Catholic moral theology.

But rape, for instance, is always wrong. So is deliberately killing an innocent person.

Edwin
 
Not necessarily. Whether lying is intrinsically evil (or more precisely, whether asserting something false with the intention to deceive is necessarily lying regardless of circumstances) is a point of debate within Catholic moral theology.

But rape, for instance, is always wrong. So is deliberately killing an innocent person.

Edwin
I didn’t read the whole article, but I did read enough to see what I feel are mental gymnastics, like saying “justified untrue assertion” is not lying. That is not the ordinary, everyday meaning of the term, which simply means telling an untruth. It also leaves open the question of when it is justified or not. Any Buddhist will agree that telling an untruth is sometimes justified, and so the question of whether it should be called a lie or not when it is justified is simply a question of semantics.

(One could also get around the dilemma by saying that it isn’t lying to the Nazis when you say there are no Jews in the basement, because the image of “Jew” that exists within the deluded mind of the Nazi does not correspond to reality. There is no such inherently inferior creature anywhere, including in your basement. Stuff like that can be fun, particularly for philosophers, but I am not sure of its general usefulness.)

I am not sure what the examples such as rape and killing of innocents are supposed to prove. I cannot imagine any situation where I would find rape acceptable. Does that mean it is “inherently wrong”? I don’t even know what that means. In the usual meaning of the word, rape is wrong, for instance, because it causes great mental and physical distress for to the person who is raped. It is a violation of numerous rights we agree that we should all have in a society. But cultures don’t always agree what rape is. In some parts of the world, for instance in my country, it is perfectly acceptable for an 18 year old to sleep with a 17 year old as long as it is volitional. In other countries this is considered rape, even though the couple is in love, and it could result in some pretty harsh (as in life long) prison sentences in certain US states for the 18 year old rapist who slept with her boyfriend. In some cultures it is considered rape if a woman is married without her father’s consent, while arranged marriages where she is not willing are not viewed as rape.

I would also call the following text both rape and murder of innocents, and yet there is nothing to suggest that Moses is doing something wrong in it.

Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle. “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Numbers 31:15-18

When I talk to other Catholics, who are more conservative than I am (and believe in an inerrant Bible, which I do not), I am told this was a different culture. Things were different back then. I cannot use my 21st century glasses to judge an ancient culture. Well, are morals absolute or are they not? As it turns out, I am more of an absolutist than they are, because I am willing to condemn this kind of behavior as immoral, even if a deity allegedly commands it or if a prophet says it is ok.

When I think about Buddhist ethics, I am still not certain is relativism is the best term. Given the Buddhist philosophy of emptiness (of essence or substance), perhaps contingent ethics would be a nice word. Whether or not an action is wrong is contingent on numerous factors including human nature. Even natural law is based on the way things are (if they were different, the law would be different), and so it isn’t absolute in the sense that it exists independently.
 
Well, from my perspective that’s the greatest reason to be a Buddhist.

Buddhism, I think, avoids idolatry much better than Islam does–maybe better than most forms of Christianity do.

The most fundamental form of idolatry, it seems to me, at least for us “Abrahamic” folks, is worshiping our own ideas about God. And it seems to me that Muslims are quite prone to this, precisely because you insist so strongly on excluding other, more “obvious” forms of idolatry. Buddhists remind us that all our ideas are, in fact, our ideas–that whatever ultimate reality is, it’s necessarily beyond language–that attachment to the idea of God is just as damaging as attachment to anything else. (In fact, it can be more so–the history of both Islam and Christianity is littered with death and destruction caused by people who worshiped their idea of God. When the Wahhabis massacred the holy men of Mecca in the name of opposing idolatry, they were committing the worst form of idolatry.)

Edwin
You’re speaking out of both sides of your mouth here. You say that muslims worship our own ideas about God, but then you go on to say that whatever the Ultimate Reality is, it’s beyond our language. Muslims have an absolute standard about who God is, His Character, His Decree, His plan of glorifying Himself through a certain nation [or ‘ummah’]. At what point is that worshiping our own ideas? we have an unchanging standard-- that is the Qur’an.

Buddhism has no such thing. You’re premise of not being able to understand the Ultimate Reality is, in and of itself, an idea (an idea that requires faith, no less). You’re doing the very thing you’re accusing us of.

I don’t know what event you’re talking about where “wahhabis massacred people of Mecca”, but you should know that that term, Wahhabi, is applied to followers of the well known sheikh, Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab [may Allah be pleased with him]. Nowadays, the word ‘Wahhabi’ is used as a cuss word-- applied to anyone who is thought to be an extremist. Ironically, it was the deviant idol worshipers that started using this word as a derogatory term.

Given that you don’t properly understand how that word is used, I doubt that you even know the basics of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab’s teachings. For this reason, I’m very hesitant to believe your assertion about our history being “littered with death and destruction” (whatever that means). Or even that this was somehow the result of Ibn Abdul-Wahhab’s teachings.
 
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Many people are familiar with the idea of the ‘Christ within’. In Hinduism’s holy text the Bhagavad Gita we have the ‘Krishna within’, and the Koran tells us that Allah is ‘closer than your jugular vein’. The Buddhist scriptures talk about the Buddha within and correspondingly the Adi Granth, which is the Sikh holy text, describes that ‘the one God is all pervading and alone dwells in the Mind’. Baha’u’llah also states “turn thy sight unto thyself that thou mayest find Me standing within the, Mighty, Powerful and Self-Subsisting!”

All religions essentially teach the same thing. People get entangled in different terminologies, that’s all…

🙂

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A reasonable brief summary. We need to climb to the top of the mountain. Nobody else can do the climbing for us, it is something we have to do ourselves. “I’m hungry. Would you eat a sandwich for me please.” Not very useful. Some things we have to to do for ourselves.

Bodhisattvas can offer a lift to near the top of the mountain, but even in that case, you need to walk the last part of the path to the peak for yourself. Sukhavati is not nirvana, it is just easier to get to nirvana from Sukhavati than from Earth.

Buddhists are not aiming for salvation, we are aiming for enlightenment. We know that it is possible because the Buddha did it. His major followers did it also and other Buddhists have been doing it ever since.

rossum
Are you SURE??? God Bless, Memaw
 
Judeo Christianity explains Who God Is…

Christianity fulfills God because God became One with us through Christ.

Jesus Christ is the final revelation of God.

But other great religions of the world can express Who God is as Creator as in Islam.
Confucius teaches all the 7 commandments of God parallel Judeo Christianity with the exception of the first three commandments pertaining to God.

People of all times and places can recognize God in nature and in reason.

I studied Buddhism in high school a long, long time ago…levels of enlightenment.

Is there any truth to the idea that Buddha said that 600 years after him would come someone who is equal to, my wording, 10,000 Buddhas??? In other words, in his own time and place, Buddha prophesized the coming of Christ?..any truth to this?

Thanks.
 
You’re speaking out of both sides of your mouth here. You say that muslims worship our own ideas about God, but then you go on to say that whatever the Ultimate Reality is, it’s beyond our language. Muslims have an absolute standard about who God is, His Character, His Decree, His plan of glorifying Himself through a certain nation [or ‘ummah’]. At what point is that worshiping our own ideas? we have an unchanging standard-- that is the Qur’an.

Buddhism has no such thing. You’re premise of not being able to understand the Ultimate Reality is, in and of itself, an idea (an idea that requires faith, no less). You’re doing the very thing you’re accusing us of.

I don’t know what event you’re talking about where “wahhabis massacred people of Mecca”, but you should know that that term, Wahhabi, is applied to followers of the well known sheikh, Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab [may Allah be pleased with him]. Nowadays, the word ‘Wahhabi’ is used as a cuss word-- applied to anyone who is thought to be an extremist. Ironically, it was the deviant idol worshipers that started using this word as a derogatory term.

Given that you don’t properly understand how that word is used, I doubt that you even know the basics of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab’s teachings. For this reason, I’m very hesitant to believe your assertion about our history being “littered with death and destruction” (whatever that means). Or even that this was somehow the result of Ibn Abdul-Wahhab’s teachings.
Good Evening Drac: I am putting forth the idea that most anyone who belongs to an organized religion is simply subscribing to an idea. And almost every last one of them professes a claim to having had a special experience of God that no one else has. I think what they really have is a cultural experience. While it is certainly true that not all of them can be right, it is entirely possible that they are all wrong. Personally, I am of the opinion that most every culture has had a legitimate history of encounters with God, and this includes all the religions that emanate from these cultures. But I think the messages of these encounters get messed up after they get shrink wrapped and institutionalized, leaving a very limited few who actually resonate with the message.

Now as for your question pertaining to a history littered with death and destruction, we really don’t need to look at history to see that. We can simply look at the present, can we not? Few ideas in the history of the world have caused so much death an destruction as the ideas that come from religions. Whatever the intents of religions may be, the outcomes are undeniable. And while religions have also done good things, there seems to be a balance of good and evil in the temporal world that even religions are unable to extricate themselves from.

Thank you,
Gary
 
Is there any truth to the idea that Buddha said that 600 years after him would come someone who is equal to, my wording, 10,000 Buddhas??? In other words, in his own time and place, Buddha prophesized the coming of Christ?..any truth to this?

Thanks.
“I actually never said that.”

-Siddhartha Gautama.

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Is there any truth to the idea that Buddha said that 600 years after him would come someone who is equal to, my wording, 10,000 Buddhas??? In other words, in his own time and place, Buddha prophesized the coming of Christ?..any truth to this?
Only if Jesus was the Maitreya Buddha. Buddhas are born on earth at long intervals. Each rediscovers the path to enlightenment, and refounds the Buddhist religion. After a long time – I have seen figures from 5,000 years upwards – the Buddhist religion disappears and there is a gap. Then the next Buddha is born. The Maitreya Buddha will only arrive after Buddhism is extinct.

Currently, Maitreya is living in the Tusita Heaven, awaiting his last rebirth.

rossum
 
Only if Jesus was the Maitreya Buddha. Buddhas are born on earth at long intervals. Each rediscovers the path to enlightenment, and refounds the Buddhist religion. After a long time – I have seen figures from 5,000 years upwards – the Buddhist religion disappears and there is a gap. Then the next Buddha is born. The Maitreya Buddha will only arrive after Buddhism is extinct.

Currently, Maitreya is living in the Tusita Heaven, awaiting his last rebirth.

rossum
I find it fascinating that all religions are awaiting “someone” to reveal themselves.

Yet, all religions deny all claimants to that “someone”

Not once in history has there been a claimant to being that “someone” where ALL adherents of that religion have said “Yep, there He is! Lets all follow Him now”

🙂

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I find it fascinating that all religions are awaiting “someone” to reveal themselves.
Not quite all. Around 800 BCE (probably) the Jain religion was (re)founded by Pārśva. He preached that, “there is one who will follow me…” Contemporary with the Buddha, the Jain Mahavira was preaching, and he was the “one who will follow”. There will be no more Jain Tirthankaras (≈Buddhas) until the end of the current age.

rossum
 
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