Why is Peter considered the first "Pope", if it was James who Peter and Paul answered to?

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I asked you way back to please give me the passage in scripture that proves that James was the head of the Church?🙂
**I have never said James was the singular head of any church, but he most certainly was the one who gave the final judgment that was accepted by the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15. Does this mean he presided at the council? This is not certain. Does it mean he was the singular bishop of the Jerusalem church? No scripture states this. In Galatians 2, James is one of three named as pillars of the church in Jerusalem. **
 
“…Then there is Clement’s story (Outlines Book V) in which he says that Cephas - of whom Paul writes: 'When Cephas came to Antioch I withstood him to his face’4 - was one of the seventy disciples, who happened to have the same name as Peter the Apostle…”

“…4. Gal. ii. II.” * I added the footnote

all from, “The History of the Church”, Eusebius. (Tranlsated by Williamson, G.A. and revised/edited/new intro. by Louth, Andrew.) Penguin Books, 1989. (pg. 29.)
**What are the implications if this Cephas IS the Peter whom Paul rebuked and IS only one of three named pillars and only second in the list: James, Cephas, and John?

I think clearly the context demands that this Cephas is the same as Peter who is claimed by many to be the singular head of the church and presence of Christ on earth.**
 
**I have never said James was the singular head of any church, but he most certainly was the one who gave the final judgment that was accepted by the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15. Does this mean he presided at the council? This is not certain. Does it mean he was the singular bishop of the Jerusalem church? No scripture states this. In Galatians 2, James is one of three named as pillars of the church in Jerusalem. **
You are mistaken. James backed up Peter’s teaching. He restated it to his flock as bishop of Jerusalem. It is still done this way in the Catholic Church today 2000 years later (except the Pope is not physically present in each diocese, he writes instead).

The James in Galatians is a “reputed” pillar, he is not the apostle who is without doubt a “definite” pillar (support) of the Church. That James, Cephas, and John in Galatians are of the 70 disciples that Jesus chose, according to early church writers and also to mystics who had visions in which they saw Jesus’ life and the lives of the apostles.

members.cox.net/studyhisword/PeterVindicated.pdf

Pax,
SHW
 
**What are the implications if this Cephas IS the Peter whom Paul rebuked and IS only one of three named pillars and only second in the list: James, Cephas, and John?

I think clearly the context demands that this Cephas is the same as Peter who is claimed by many to be the singular head of the church and presence of Christ on earth.**
I agree with you that the Cephas being rebuked for not eating with the Gentiles in the presence of the Jews is the same Cephas that was the leader of the church.

However, Paul’s rebuke was probably helpful in his discussion with the Galatians in telling them that they should not worry about following the Jewish laws, it was not wholely consistent with Paul’s other statements and actions, nor was Peter necessarily in the wrong on this. Like Paul, he was trying to be all things to all People and afterall, despite his protestations, Paul did have Timothy circumcized and was following the Jewish Atonement rituals when he was in Jerusalem just prior to has arrest. And the fact that Paul said he rebuked Peter to has face shows two things: that Peter was worthy of respect (other wise it would not have been a big deal to rebuke him to his face) and also that Paul was confident in his own view and knew that Peter would accept it with love.
 
To add a little more to this discussion, let me share what our pastor had to say about Acts 9 at Mass this morning. He noted that in the last half of Acts 9, Peter " does what Jesus did" He healed Aeneas, the paralyzed man and he brought Tabitha back to life. While Peter clearly had his human weakness : afterall he denied Jesus, he still served the office as Jesus’ representative on Earth…
 
What are the implications if this Cephas IS the Peter whom Paul rebuked and IS only one of three named pillars and only second in the list: James, Cephas, and John?
None whatsoever for the objective reader.

On Peter, Paul and Hypocrisy

In their effort to deny the primacy of Peter and the doctrine of papal infallibility, many non-Catholics point to Paul’s rebuke of Peter over the issue of eating with Gentiles as recorded in the Paul’s Letter to the Galatians.****

Galatians 2:11-14
11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. 14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

In this passage, we see that Paul opposed Peter for not practicing what he preached. Although Peter may have been wrong to draw back from eating with the Gentile believers, we must note that is apparently James, and not Peter, who was the leader of the “circumcision group” in Jerusalem. Thus, those who assert that it was James, and not Peter, who was the real leader of the Church must answer for this error. However, Peter’s actions do not constitute formal teaching, and the doctrine of infallibility does not apply to Peter’s private opinions or behavior. Therefore, this passage does nothing to disprove either Peter’s primacy or the doctrine of papal infallibility. Peter, like his successors, was not above reproach nor impeccable.

However, it must also be noted that Paul was not above taking prudent measures out of fear of those who held to the tradition of circumcision, either. One such measure is found in the following passage:

Acts 16:1-3
1
He came to Derbe and then to Lystra, where a disciple named Timothy lived, whose mother was a Jewess and a believer, but whose father was a Greek. 2The brothers at Lystra and Iconium spoke well of him. 3Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Paul wrote that “circumcision means nothing” (1 Corinthians 7:19, Galatians 6:15). Moreover, in the same letter in which Paul accused Peter of hypocrisy and boasted of having opposed Peter to his face, he writes the following:

Galatians 5:2-3
2
Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

Imagine how Timothy must have felt when he first heard these words. He had let himself be circumcised by the very man who condemned the practice. Was Christ of no value to Timothy at all as a result of being circumcised?

This was not the only time that Paul had acted out of fear of the Jews. Later in the book of Acts, we find the following:

Acts 21:17-26
17
When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers received us warmly. 18The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everybody will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” 26The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.

Clearly, the brothers in Jerusalem were concerned that some harm might come to Paul from those who knew that Paul taught against circumcision. Paul agreed to purify himself according to Jewish customs and to pay the expenses of those who were purified along with him rather than openly admit that circumcision was of no value. Was this a wise course of action? Assuredly as subsequent events indicate.

However, it cannot be denied that Paul was preaching one thing (at least in private to Gentile Christians) while practicing another—the very thing he accused Peter of doing.
 
**I have never said James was the singular head of any church, but he most certainly was the one who gave the final judgment that was accepted by the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15. Does this mean he presided at the council? This is not certain. Does it mean he was the singular bishop of the Jerusalem church? No scripture states this. In Galatians 2, James is one of three named as pillars of the church in Jerusalem. **
I offered this earlier…did you read it?

**Successors of the Apostles **
By Jimmy Akin
catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0107bt.asp
 
None whatsoever for the objective reader.

On Peter, Paul and Hypocrisy

In their effort to deny the primacy of Peter and the doctrine of papal infallibility, many non-Catholics point to Paul’s rebuke of Peter over the issue of eating with Gentiles as recorded in the Paul’s Letter to the Galatians.****

Galatians 2:11-14
11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him …

In this passage, we see that Paul opposed Peter for not practicing what he preached. Although Peter may have been wrong to draw back from eating with the Gentile believers, we must note that is apparently James, and not Peter, who was the leader of the “circumcision group” in Jerusalem. Thus, those who assert that it was James, and not Peter, who was the real leader of the Church must answer for this error. However, Peter’s actions do not constitute formal teaching…,

However, it must also be noted that Paul was not above taking prudent measures out of fear of those who held to the tradition of circumcision, either. One such measure is found in the following passage:

Acts 16:1-3
1
He came to Derbe and then to Lystra, where a disciple named Timothy lived, whose mother was a Jewess and a believer, but whose father was a Greek. 2The brothers at Lystra and Iconium spoke well of him. 3Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Paul wrote that “circumcision means nothing” (1 Corinthians 7:19, Galatians 6:15). Moreover, in the same letter in which Paul accused Peter of hypocrisy and boasted of having opposed Peter to his face, he writes the following:

Galatians 5:2-3
2
Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

Imagine how Timothy must have felt when he first heard these words. He had let himself be circumcised by the very man who condemned the practice. Was Christ of no value to Timothy at all as a result of being circumcised?

This was not the only time that Paul had acted out of fear of the Jews. Later in the book of Acts, we find the following:

Acts 21:17-26
17
When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers received us warmly. 18The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everybody will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” 26The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.

Clearly, the brothers in Jerusalem were concerned that some harm might come to Paul from those who knew that Paul taught against circumcision. Paul agreed to purify himself according to Jewish customs and to pay the expenses of those who were purified along with him rather than openly admit that circumcision was of no value. Was this a wise course of action? Assuredly as subsequent events indicate.

However, it cannot be denied that Paul was preaching one thing (at least in private to Gentile Christians) while practicing another—the very thing he accused Peter of doing.
**So you are rebuking Paul.

Peter deserved rebuke because he refused to eat with Gentile Christians who were uncircumcised. Paul observed Jewish customs among non-Christian Jews and newly converted Chrisian Jews in order to win them to Christ, not because obedience to the law is a condition of salvation which he warned the Galatian Christians for being seduced into believing.

Did Paul EVER teach or communicate that obedience to the law is a condition of salvation? NO. Did Paul ever refuse to eat with uncircumcised Gentile Christians out of fear of the circumcision? NO. Many Christian Jews today observe the law out of custom and to not offend the Jews, not as a condition of salvation.

Paul was right. Peter was wrong in repeating his pattern of cowardice. Peter must have remembered how he denied the Lord three times and hopefully again felt shame and remorse.

Do you believe the Cephas in Galatians 2, second-named among three reputed pillars, is the Peter of Matthew 16 and head of the whole church on earth or do you believe the visions of the so-called mystics?**

Do you also believe the house of Mary was miraculously transported by angels to Loreto, Italy?
 
To add a little more to this discussion, let me share what our pastor had to say about Acts 9 at Mass this morning. He noted that in the last half of Acts 9, Peter " does what Jesus did" He healed Aeneas, the paralyzed man and he brought Tabitha back to life. While Peter clearly had his human weakness : afterall he denied Jesus, he still served the office as Jesus’ representative on Earth…
Where does scripture say Peter represented Christ any more uniquely than any other apostle? Jesus told all the apostles they would do the same works and greater than those Jesus did.
 
You are mistaken. James backed up Peter’s teaching. He restated it to his flock as bishop of Jerusalem. It is still done this way in the Catholic Church today 2000 years later (except the Pope is not physically present in each diocese, he writes instead).

The James in Galatians is a “reputed” pillar, he is not the apostle who is without doubt a “definite” pillar (support) of the Church. That James, Cephas, and John in Galatians are of the 70 disciples that Jesus chose, according to early church writers and also to mystics who had visions in which they saw Jesus’ life and the lives of the apostles.

members.cox.net/studyhisword/PeterVindicated.pdf

Pax,
SHW
This is fascinating stuff, to see the struggle Catholic apologists have with these passages. Can you give me a reference to the mystic visions of James, Cephas, and John?
 
Hi, Daniel

This could almost pass for an answer… but, it misses the poiint. Please, don’t dodge, just answer the question: *Is there any organization that you know of that is run without a recognized head? Doesn’t a family have a head and that is the man (Eph 5:22)? *

You almost go to great lenghts to show that the various Churches were under the guiding and nurturing hands of their individual Bishops - yet, fail to connect the ‘last dot’ - all of these Bishops are under the guiding and nurturing hand of the Bishop of Rome - the Pope.

If this is not the case - as you claim - and the basis for your entire argument is the fact that there is no specific text in Scripture that you will accept that identifies Peter as the leader of the other Apostles and that Christ will come back to His Church (and, that would be the Catholic Church) and find it leader-LESS becasue … Peter died!!! What kind of long-range planning and organization do you think Christ provided under your view of this history?

All I can say is that Paul was not inspired to use your words when he wrote to the Ephesians. :eek: Whatever was going on - specifically identifying in the words you want: “Peter is Leader and Peter’s Successors will be the future Leaders (Popes).” was not the Will of God. What is necessary, is that you look at all of the other organizaitons - especially those that have sprung up since the 16th Century - and continued to spring up ever since - and appreciate the chaos, disorganization and fragmentation give to the Body of Christ. When Christ prayed to His Father that all could be one - He was aware of what was going to happen - hence, the prayer.

Please, just answer the question above. Thanks.

God bless
Your reference to Jesus’ prayer for unity is central. If in fact Peter with his successors is the basis of unity as you say above, why does Jesus not make even a vague reference to this in his historic prayer for the unity of believers??? Did Jesus forget that he appointed Peter with the keys and successors to be the foundation of unity??? No, the fact is this was not the intention of Jesus in the first place.
 
Baptism is a priestly responsibility. It is not only for the remission of original sin,it is also for entry into the Catholic Church,which is the Kingdom of God on earth. If it is not done within the Catholic Church by persons who themselves have been sacramentalized for administering the sacraments,it is not much a sacrament.

Council of Carthage VII (A.D. 258):
“And in the Gospel our Lord Jesus Christ spoke with His divine voice, saying, “Except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” This is the Spirit which from the beginning was borne over the waters; for neither can the Spirit operate without the water, nor the water without the Spirit…Unless therefore they receive saving baptism in the Catholic Church, which is one, they cannot be saved, but will be condemned with the carnal in the judgment of the Lord Christ.”

Hippolytus:
“And the bishop shall lay his hand upon them [the newly baptized], invoking and saying: ‘O Lord God, who did count these worthy of deserving the forgiveness of sins by the laver of regeneration, make them worthy to be filled with your Holy Spirit and send upon them thy grace [in confirmation], that they may serve you according to your will” (The Apostolic Tradition 22:1 [A.D. 215]).

Aphraahat the Persian Sage:
"From baptism we receive the Spirit of Christ. At that same moment in which the priests invoke the Spirit, heaven opens, and he descends and rests upon the waters, and those who are baptized are clothed in him. The Spirit is absent from all those who are born of the flesh, until they come to the water of rebirth, and then they receive the Holy Spirit. . . . n the second birth, that through baptism, they receive the Holy Spirit" (Treatises 6:14:4 [A.D. 340]).

I thought Catholicism settled the question of heretical baptism a long time ago and that today, anyone baptized in the name of the trinity, is validly baptized. Even Southern Baptists who do not believe baptism is for salvation, have valid baptism?
 
This is fascinating stuff, to see the struggle Catholic apologists have with these passages. Can you give me a reference to the mystic visions of James, Cephas, and John?
There is no struggle. We just have more resources to include. 😃 We are not the doubting Thomas’s. These were not mystic visions by James, Cephas, and John. They were visions about them.

Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich was one such mystic who made this claim.

Since you would not believe this “fascinating stuff” anyway, I will not take my time to search for it in my books and type it here.

Since Peter had no problems answering the Jews’ questioning about Gentile converts, I think it foolish to believe that he would then refuse to eat with them for fear of these same Jews. This is just plain common sense. Now, that we have online Bibles to search, we can plainly see that Peter was in no fear ever again of the Jews after his denial of Christ.

Acts 10:9-17 “The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, **Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.” 15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has
cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.**17 Now while Peter wondered within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate. 18 And they called and asked whether Simon, whose surname was Peter, was lodging there. 19 While Peter thought about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are seeking you. 20 Arise therefore, go down and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.”

Acts 10:25-33 “As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found many who had come together. 28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?” 30 So Cornelius said, “Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing, 31 and said, ‘Cornelius, your prayer has been heard, and your alms are remembered in the sight of God.

32 Send therefore to Joppa and call Simon here, whose surname is Peter. He is lodging in the house of Simon, a tanner, by the sea. When he comes, he will speak to you.’ 33 So I sent to you immediately, and you have done well to come. Now therefore, we are all present before God, to hear all the things commanded you by God.” 34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. 36 The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all— 37 that word you know, which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee after the baptism which John preached: 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree. 40 Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. 42 And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. 43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45** And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.** 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.”

to be continued…
 
Continued:

It would be unreasonable to believe that after Peter had this vision from God in Joppa about clean and unclean meats, and that after he saw the Holy Spirit descending upon the Gentiles in Caesarea, and that after he had made his bold testimony before the entire assembly including those of the circumcism (the Jews from Joppa who had accompanied him to Caesarea), and that after he commanded these Gentiles to be baptized; that he would then later be afraid to eat with baptized Gentiles in Antioch because the Jews there might be offended. It simply does not make any sense to think that Peter would suddenly become afraid of the Jews. Peter learned his hard lesson about “fear” of the Jews when he betrayed Jesus by denying Him three times before the cock crowed. He repented of this betrayal. He would certainly not repeat this mistake. This city Caesarea, where Peter meets Cornelius, is in Israel.

When Peter the Apostle is confronted in Acts 11:1-18 by those of the circumcism in Jerusalem because he is eating with Gentiles, he explains his vision which he had in Joppa and his subsequent journey to Caesarea to see the man (Cornelius), and the Jews do believe Peter and they glorify God. This is the second time that Peter explained his vision to those of the circumcism although the first time it was in Caesarea and this second time was in Jerusalem. The Apostle Peter cannot possibly be the person that Paul is speaking of in Galatians 2 in Antioch. Peter is definitely not afraid of the Jews or their opinions. He never cowers before them. He simply explains his vision and that is the end of the confrontation.

Pax,
SHW
 
**Your reference to Jesus’ prayer for unity is central. If in fact Peter with his successors is the basis of unity as you say above, why does Jesus not make even a vague reference **to this in his historic prayer for the unity of believers??? Did Jesus forget that he appointed Peter with the keys and successors to be the foundation of unity??? No, the fact is this was not the intention of Jesus in the first place.
“They” all knew first-hand that Peter was the chief steward. It did not need to be written down in a special manner in a manuscript. It was a “given.” Most things were orally taught for the first 400 years of Christianity. This is incontrovertible fact.

Pax,
SHW
 
“They” all knew first-hand that Peter was the chief steward. It did not need to be written down in a special manner in a manuscript. It was a “given.” Most things were orally taught for the first 400 years of Christianity. This is incontrovertible fact.

Pax,
SHW
The fact Jesus is God is written several places in scripture because it is a fundamental point. Where is it written even once that Peter was head of the church on earth? This kind of thing is not just a given. Such an important central fact would have been clearly stated at least once and repeated several times if true. Your excuses simply admit the obvious: Peter was not in fact head of the church on earth.
 
The fact Jesus is God is written several places in scripture because it is a fundamental point. Where is it written even once that Peter was head of the church on earth? This kind of thing is not just a given. Such an important central fact would have been clearly stated at least once and repeated several times if true. Your excuses simply admit the obvious: Peter was not in fact head of the church on earth.
You are just being stubborn on this. Peter was told he was the rock on which the church was founded. He was given the keys to heaven. He was told to tend the flock. At the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15, Peter claims without dispute that he was chosen over all the Apostles to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles. Paul, in Galations, also acknowledges that Peter is the Apostle to the Jews. So there are 5 scriptural references to Peter’s leadership. Not to mention all the Actions he took as leader in Acts (speaking for the Apostles at Pentecost, and to the High Preist and to the Sanhedrin, determining the need to replace Judas, taking the position that Christians did not need to follow the jewish law at the Council of Jerusalem) and the fact that he is mentioned 195 times in the new Testament, more than all the other Apostles combined. and that it is his story we follow in parallel to Jesus’s passion in the Gospels. And of course, 2000 years of tradition.

You have no effective argument against these facts. The only thing you have ever offered up is that you have said that Peter’s leadership is never explicitly menitioned. I and many others have shown that it is.
 
I thought Catholicism settled the question of heretical baptism a long time ago and that today, anyone baptized in the name of the trinity, is validly baptized. Even Southern Baptists who do not believe baptism is for salvation, have valid baptism?
your statement is correct. A baptism in the name of the trinity is valid.
 
**So you are rebuking Paul.

Peter deserved rebuke because he refused to eat with Gentile Christians who were uncircumcised. Paul observed Jewish customs among non-Christian Jews and newly converted Chrisian Jews in order to win them to Christ, not because obedience to the law is a condition of salvation which he warned the Galatian Christians for being seduced into believing.

Did Paul EVER teach or communicate that obedience to the law is a condition of salvation? NO. Did Paul ever refuse to eat with uncircumcised Gentile Christians out of fear of the circumcision? NO. Many Christian Jews today observe the law out of custom and to not offend the Jews, not as a condition of salvation.

Paul was right. Peter was wrong in repeating his pattern of cowardice. Peter must have remembered how he denied the Lord three times and hopefully again felt shame and remorse.

Do you believe the Cephas in Galatians 2, second-named among three reputed pillars, is the Peter of Matthew 16 and head of the whole church on earth or do you believe the visions of the so-called mystics?**

Do you also believe the house of Mary was miraculously transported by angels to Loreto, Italy?
Where in scripture does it say that Peter taught that following the Jewish law was a requirement of Salvation? The answer: no where. This is a red herring. Peter was doing the same thing Paul did, being all things to all people to draw them to the Gospel. And Paul says he rebuked Peter but he is silent as to Peter’s response.

The fact that Paul rebuked Peter does not mean that Peter was not the leader of the Church. In fact, because Paul makes a big deal about it, it is clear that he thinks Peter has a higher role than his own. No one makes a big deal about rebuking an underling.

And by the way, Peter rebukes Jesus in Matthew 16: 22. According to the logic you use, this would be proof that Jesus was not the head of the church. Foolish argument, right?
Matthew 16: 21-23:
21 From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised.
22
Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, “God forbid, Lord! No such thing shall ever happen to you.”
23
He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.”
 
The fact Jesus is God is written several places in scripture because it is a fundamental point. Where is it written even once that Peter was head of the church on earth? This kind of thing is not just a given. Such an important central fact would have been clearly stated at least once and repeated several times if true. Your excuses simply admit the obvious: Peter was not in fact head of the church on earth.
Are you sure you want to be involved in a Catholic Forum? You do not seem to be able to understand very plain things like Jesus giving the keys of the kingdom to Peter. Study up on Jewish Biblical history if you cannot understand Isaiah 22. Jesus makes Peter chief steward of His Church when He gives him the keys of the kingdom of God. This is the top position directly under the king. This office is passed down when it becomes vacant. Someone always has to be in this chief steward position. He is over the other stewards of the king.

You will not be convincing any Bible Catholics on this forum into believing your errors. We hear 4 Bible passages from different books of the Bible every week in Church: OT, Epistle, Gospel, and Psalms.

Outsiders (nonmembers of the CC) think that they can pick up our Bible (usually an unauthorized edition with some of its books removed) and then tell us that they know how to interpret it, but we don’t. We’ve had 2000 years scholarship and oral teaching handed down to us and yet they think they are qualified to correct us? This seems to me to be either amazingly arrogant or naive for them to do this. Who is their authority? It is themselves. Jesus did not give them His authority. He gave it only to the Catholic Church, His Church which He founded upon Peter, the Rock.

Pax,
SHW
 
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