Why is predestination wrong

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Indeed, we receive a good conscience through Baptism. But it needs exercising or else we lose it. 🙂
Very good point. I think this jives well with my contention that God always gives us sufficient grace to say yes to Him. And just like those muscles you use all the time, it is easier to practice virtue, the more you live a virtous life. If we keep saying yes, to vice then we will indeed lose the capacity to be virtous becaue it is the vice “muscles” that get the most exercise hence the ones that grow.🙂
We will agree to disagree about grafting.

I think Jesus prunes a person, who has sanctifying grace, through trials and suffering, in order to make them more fruitful.

John 15:2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit** He takes away**; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.”

Those that do not bear fruit (those in mortal sin) are cut off from the Vine. (He takes them away.) Those who do bear fruit (those with sanctifying grace) He prunes in order to make them even more fruitful.

Luke 9:23 “Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.”

James 1:12 “Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.”

James 1:2-4 “My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.”

1 Peter 1:6-7 “In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,”

Jesus “prunes” us by trials which God allows because of His permissive will.

Pax,
SHW
And this jives well again with the :use it or lose it" theory. In muscle building, to be able to lift heavy weights, one needs to gradually increase the weights. . The increasing weights are the trials. Which allow us to bear more trials with faith and thus e"expand" our souls.🙂
 
  1. It denies the reality of God, and Who and What God is?
  2. It denies that God Created us for a purpose.
  3. It fails to account for our intellects, minds (not brains), memory and freewills. All Spiritual, like God Himself.
  4. It presupposes that God is not Just an or Fair.
Love and prayers,
Actually, Predestination is not wrong if you look at it from the Catholic context. God does indeed predestine some men to savlation. Take for example the Blessed Mother. She was chosen by God even before she was conceived. Or Paul who was given such a tremendous grace that would lead to his conversion.

Also, the total number of the Elect (those who have been predestined to salvation) is not the sum total of all who will be saved. It is not only the elect who will be saved. I believe though that the Elect will be instrumental in the salvation of those who will be saved, all according to God’s plan and the whole economy of salvation. Those who have been predestined to holiness have been so chosen as they will play an important role in the whole economy of salvation.

What is wrong is double predestination (that is predestination to hell as well) for God does not predestine anyone to hell.

Those who affirm double pre-destination does indeed have an unjust, psycopathic God. For what else would you call a God who creates us for the sole pupose of damning us.

Thankfully, that’s is not what predestination is all about at all.
 
Actually, Predestination is not wrong if you look at it from the Catholic context. God does indeed predestine some men to savlation. Take for example the Blessed Mother. She was chosen by God even before she was conceived. Or Paul who was given such a tremendous grace that would lead to his conversion.

Also, the total number of the Elect (those who have been predestined to salvation) is not the sum total of all who will be saved. It is not only the elect who will be saved. I believe though that the Elect will be instrumental in the salvation of those who will be saved, all according to God’s plan and the whole economy of salvation. Those who have been predestined to holiness have been so chosen as they will play an important role in the whole economy of salvation.

What is wrong is double predestination (that is predestination to hell as well) for God does not predestine anyone to hell.

Those who affirm double pre-destination does indeed have an unjust, psycopathic God. For what else would you call a God who creates us for the sole pupose of damning us.

Thankfully, that’s is not what predestination is all about at all.
Hi benedictus2 🙂

I agree with you about double predestination. However, I do think that the elect are also the predestined. I do not think that they are two different groups of people.

2 Peter 1:5-11 “But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

Peter warns them to do the things that are necessary so that their assumed election becomes sure election at their deaths.

1 Thessalonians 1:3-5 “remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, 4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. 5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.”

Again, Paul speaks of their assumed election because they are presently obeying the gospel of Jesus. No one knows if their election is sure until they die and that is why they have hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Pax,
SHW
 
The non-demoninational ‘Church of Christ’ teaches against ‘predestination’ of the Calvinist variety.

They say, as told to me by a Church of Christ evangelist, that the doctrinal beliefs of Calvin grew out of his attempt to stress the sovereignty of God, instead of the Pope. This stress on the sovereignty of God is very evident in the concept of unconditional election:

“By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestined unto everlasting life, and other foreordained to everlasting death.” (Westminster Confession of Faith, Sec III, 3)

It’s true the bible speaks of predestination (Acts 13:48; Rom 8:30; Eph 1:5). But this is group predestination, not individual predestination. God predestined that those who believe and obey him will be saved and those who do not will be lost (Mk 16:15,16). He also predestined that in Christ we should become his children (Eph 1:3-13). But God did not predestine that certain ones would believe and that others would not believe.

They further use these passages to indicate that all have a chance to respond to the call of salvation:
Matt 11:28ff
Rev 22:17

and that God wants all men to be saved, even those who reject him:
Matt 23:37 “You would not”
I Tim 2:4 “God would have all men to be saved.”
II Pet 3:9 “All men…”

It is our response to the gospel which determines whether or not we will be saved:
Mark 16:16
John 1:12; 3:16; 7:17
Acts 10:34,35

If we are lost it will be because we have refused to live as He commanded, not because we were so predestined:
II Cor 5:10 “Judged by works in flesh”
Rom 2:6-11

The Church of Christ is an interesting group. As was explained to me, they had their beginnings in “The Great Awakening” in the early 1800’s, when the founders of their movement looked around and saw the multitude of denominations. And this multitude could not be what Christ intended, because there can be only one Church of Christ.

But why was there this multitude of denominations? Because of all the man-made creeds and confessions, the Westminster Confession, the Augsburg Confession, and so on and on. All man-made.

So, the thing to do is to forget all the man-made doctrines, forget what Luther said, forget what Calvin wrote, and just “go back to the Bible.” And so they did–by using the Bible alone unencumbered by man-made tradition, they arrived at a soteriology and doctrines of salvation and baptism quite different from that of the Reformers. By using the Bible alone.
 
Hi benedictus2 🙂

I agree with you about double predestination. However, I do think that the elect are also the predestined. I do not think that they are two different groups of people.

2 Peter 1:5-11 “But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

Peter warns them to do the things that are necessary so that their assumed election becomes sure election at their deaths.

1 Thessalonians 1:3-5 “remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, 4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. 5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.”

Again, Paul speaks of their assumed election because they are presently obeying the gospel of Jesus. No one knows if their election is sure until they die and that is why they have hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Pax,
SHW
In Catholic theology, the term “elect” is primarily used for those who are predestined to glory. However, all those who are justified are elect for grace, but not all who are justified are elect for glory. This is what distinguishes the Catholic and also Lutheran understanding of predestination from the Calvinist one.

God Bless,
Michael
 
God knowing what will happen and simultanelously knowing that when He creates–and also knowing the actions that He would take in any eventuality does not “Control” our moral choices.

look at it this way–say the Pittsburgh Steelers are playing a high school football team next week.

Me “knowing” that they will win does not “control” the game.
This is actually the Arminian understanding of predestination, which limits predestination to mere foreknowledge. In other words, God simply forsees the choices we make and elects those He foresaw would chose Him. In the Catholic understanding, God plays a far more active role. Predstination is not mere foreknowledge of what will occur. 🙂

God Bless,
Michael
 
In Catholic theology, the term “elect” is primarily used for those who are predestined to glory. However, all those who are justified are elect for grace, but not all who are justified are elect for glory. This is what distinguishes the Catholic and also Lutheran understanding of predestination from the Calvinist one.

God Bless,
Michael
Hi Michael, 🙂

ISTM that when you are justified, you receive grace so there would be no need to be “elect” for grace after justification. There would only be a need for “election” for glory. Or did you mean that before you were justified, you were elected for grace?

Can you cite a Catholic resource such as CCC for this belief on the two elections so that I can study it further? Thank you!

Pax,
SHW
 
Indeed, we receive a good conscience through Baptism. But it needs exercising or else we lose it. 🙂

We will agree to disagree about grafting.

I think Jesus prunes a person, who has sanctifying grace, through trials and suffering, in order to make them more fruitful.

John 15:2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit** He takes away**; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.”

Those that do not bear fruit (those in mortal sin) are cut off from the Vine. (He takes them away.) Those who do bear fruit (those with sanctifying grace) He prunes in order to make them even more fruitful.

Luke 9:23 “Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.”

James 1:12 “Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.”

James 1:2-4 “My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.”

1 Peter 1:6-7 “In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,”

Jesus “prunes” us by trials which God allows because of His permissive will.

Pax,
SHW
:cool: we agree as to what the end result will be. bc of what we know is true.
Could one consider those that do bear fruit yet do on occassion commit grave sin the “unproductive”(sinfulness of man) leaves that are pruned (reference to the gospel according to St.John15;2)?
 
:cool: we agree as to what the end result will be. bc of what we know is true.
Could one consider those that do bear fruit yet do on occassion commit grave sin the “unproductive”(sinfulness of man) leaves that are pruned (reference to the gospel according to St.John15;2)?
Hi fb19, 🙂

I think that Jesus literally cuts these unproductive branches off and takes them away. In other words, He removes the unproductive branches from the tree. No one in mortal sin can receive grace for the natural good deeds that he has done while he is in the state of mortal sin.

Ezekiel 33:13 “13 When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.”

Of course he can repent and be grafted back on the tree at any time before death.

Jesus states “I never knew you; you who practiced lawlessness” at the Judgment. These are those persons who are in mortal sin when they die. None of their good works have any merit when they are in a state of mortal sin so they are not even remembered.

Matthew 7:22-24 “Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”

Those whom He prunes, these can commit venial sins and still be attached to the tree, but they cannot commit mortal sins and remain attached because mortal sins cause their death. The pruned branches stay on the tree and are kept alive by the living sap (have sanctifying grace) because they are cooperating with God’s graces in order to obey God’s commandments and to do good works. But God prunes them by allowing trials to come to them so that they will depend on Him more completely.

Pax,
SHW
 
No one in mortal sin can receive grace for the natural good deeds that he has done while he is in the state of mortal sin.
Of course he can repent and be grafted back on the tree at any time before death.
A natural good deed is repentence. Any sinner who repents has responded to grace. A person in mortal sin, while not able to receive sanctifying grace, is not cut off from all grace.
Those whom He prunes, these can commit venial sins and still be attached to the tree, but they cannot commit mortal sins and remain attached because mortal sins cause their death. The pruned branches stay on the tree and are kept alive by the living sap (have sanctifying grace) because they are cooperating with God’s graces in order to obey God’s commandments and to do good works. But God prunes them by allowing trials to come to them so that they will depend on Him more completely.
An important item to note is one is never cut off from grace completely … for one steeped in sin … the path to conversion is one of grace.
 
A natural good deed is repentence. Any sinner who repents has responded to grace. A person in mortal sin, while not able to receive sanctifying grace, is not cut off from all grace.
An important item to note is one is never cut off from grace completely … for one steeped in sin … the path to conversion is one of grace.
Hi Nancy, 🙂

One is never cut off from the grace for repentance. There is a distinction. None of his “naturally” good acts are remembered if he is in mortal sin. Jesus declares, “I never knew you, you who practiced lawlessness.” So none of their naturally good deeds help to save them when they are in a state of mortal sin. These persons whom Jesus declares that He never knew, claimed to have done good deeds in His Name. He disagreed and they were condemned.

Matthew 7:22-23 “Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

Matthew 12:33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.”

Repentance comes first. Good deeds second.

Matthew 3:8 “Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance,”

Pax,
SHW
 
Hi Michael, 🙂

ISTM that when you are justified, you receive grace so there would be no need to be “elect” for grace after justification. There would only be a need for “election” for glory. Or did you mean that before you were justified, you were elected for grace?

Can you cite a Catholic resource such as CCC for this belief on the two elections so that I can study it further? Thank you!

Pax,
SHW
Hi SHW! 🙂 First of all, election occurs before the foundation of the world. So it occurs before one experiences justification and glorification. According to Augustinian and Catholic theology, which was also upheld by Martin Luther and continues to be taught by the Lutheran Church, not all who are justified are predestined to glory. Therefore, a Catholic would say that a person who lost the grace of justification was predestined to elect for grace/justification, but was not predestined to glory. Hence one who fails to persevere - John 15 being a good example of that - was elect/predestined for grace - since they were justified - but were not predestined for glory, since they failed to persevere. One who is predestined for grace and glory - what in Catholic theology is called complete predestination - will not fail to persevere in faith and love and will die in the state of grace (gift of final persverance). The number of those elect/predestined for glory is immutable, and hence none can be added and none can be lost.

Here are a few links that will help you:

vivacatholic.wordpress.com/2007/08/12/predestination-in-catholicism/

Here is Ludwig Ott on Catholic Predestination:

nicenetruth.com/home/2008/10/catholic-predes.html

Here is Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange’s excellent work on predestination:

thesumma.info/predestination/index.php

Here is James Akin’s “A Tiptoe through Tulip” (Thomist)

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/TULIP.htm

Here are two articles on Molinism:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism

newadvent.org/cathen/10437a.htm

And here is the Catholic Haydock Commentary on Romans 9:

haydock1859.tripod.com/id153.html

Catholics believe in free will, but we are not Arminians. Arminianism limits predestination to God’s foreknowledge of what will occur. So God’s decrees regarding the elect are purely and simply a response to man’s choices. God offers grace to all and it completely and absolutely depends on man to make it efficacious and thus divine election completely depends on man. Many Arminians even deny a particular election before the foundation of the world and only believe in a corporate election. For more on Arminianism, read the following article:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

😦 Unfortunately, too many Catholics unwittingly fall into the error of Arminianism when talking about predestination and free will.

God Bless,
Michael
 
Hi fb19, 🙂

I think that Jesus literally cuts these unproductive branches off and takes them away. In other words, He removes the unproductive branches from the tree. No one in mortal sin can receive grace for the natural good deeds that he has done while he is in the state of mortal sin.

Ezekiel 33:13 “13 When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.”

Of course he can repent and be grafted back on the tree at any time before death.

Jesus states “I never knew you; you who practiced lawlessness” at the Judgment. These are those persons who are in mortal sin when they die. None of their good works have any merit when they are in a state of mortal sin so they are not even remembered.

Matthew 7:22-24 “Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”

Those whom He prunes, these can commit venial sins and still be attached to the tree, but they cannot commit mortal sins and remain attached because mortal sins cause their death. The pruned branches stay on the tree and are kept alive by the living sap (have sanctifying grace) because they are cooperating with God’s graces in order to obey God’s commandments and to do good works. But God prunes them by allowing trials to come to them so that they will depend on Him more completely.

Pax,
SHW
I don’t think Ezekiel is referring to “naturally” good acts. “Naturally” good acts are those acts performed while one is in a state of mortal sin, either prior to be justified or after losing justification. Rather, Ezekiel is referring to those good acts performed while one was in a state of grace and prior to falling into mortal sin:

Ezekiel 33:12-13

12 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the children of your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression; as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall because of it in the day that he turns from his wickedness; nor shall the righteous be able to live because of his righteousness in the day that he sins.’ 13 When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die

In other words, those who have been justified (i.e. the righteous) are not to believe that the works they have performed while being in a state of grace will deliver them from the consequences of any mortal sin they may commit after being justified. If they fall into mortal sin, they must turn to God with faith and a contrite/repentant heart in order to be restored to the grace of justification. No good works prior to the mortal sin committed assures us that we will receive an opportunity to repent of our sins or that God, on the basis of these previous works, will simply overlook our sins. Here, God clearly says that those works will be forgotten in the case of one who falls into mortal sin. That’s why the Catholic Church teaches that the meritorious cause of our salvation is Jesus Christ and the formal cause of salvation is the infused righteousness of God (i.e. sanctifying grace) merited for us by the Passion and Death of Christ on the Cross.

Therefore, our attitude should be one of faith and humble/loving obedience to God and never to forget that we compeletely depend on God’s mercy obtained for us by the Cross of Christ and that everything that we do that is good and pleasing to God ultimately comes from Him.

God bless,
Michael
 
Hi SHW! 🙂 First of all, election occurs before the foundation of the world. So it occurs before one experiences justification and glorification. According to Augustinian and Catholic theology, which was also upheld by Martin Luther and continues to be taught by the Lutheran Church, not all who are justified are predestined to glory. Therefore, a Catholic would say that a person who lost the grace of justification was predestined to elect for grace/justification, but was not predestined to glory. Hence one who fails to persevere - John 15 being a good example of that - was elect/predestined for grace - since they were justified - but were not predestined for glory, since they failed to persevere. One who is predestined for grace and glory - what in Catholic theology is called complete predestination - will not fail to persevere in faith and love and will die in the state of grace (gift of final persverance). The number of those elect/predestined for glory is immutable, and hence none can be added and none can be lost.
Hi Mike, 🙂

Thank you for the resources. I will study them.
Yes, I did know that the election process was all done before the foundation of the world. Thank you for the explanation of the differences between the two types of elections. 👍

However, God’s future graces and His direct intervention in our daily lives (due to the foreordainment of His mercy, such as to Saul who became our beloved Apostle, and/or the future prayers of the faithful on our behalf), and our own future responses to these graces while exercising our own free wills; these are all factors which determined whether we were elected and predestined for glory, or not, and this was all done before the foundation of the world.

2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Pax,
SHW

Acts 10:34-35 “Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.”

Pax,
SHW
 
I don’t think Ezekiel is referring to “naturally” good acts. “Naturally” good acts are those acts performed while one is in a state of mortal sin, either prior to be justified or after losing justification. Rather, Ezekiel is referring to those good acts performed while one was in a state of grace and prior to falling into mortal sin:
I regret that I did not make myself clear. I stated: “No one in mortal sin can receive grace for the natural good deeds that he has done while he is in the state of mortal sin.”

I agree with your statement: “Naturally” good acts are those acts performed while one is in a state of mortal sin, either prior to being justified or after losing justification."
In other words, those who have been justified (i.e. the righteous) are not to believe that the works they have performed while being in a state of grace will deliver them from the consequences of any mortal sin they may commit after being justified. If they fall into mortal sin, they must turn to God with faith and a contrite/repentant heart in order to be restored to the grace of justification. No good works prior to the mortal sin committed assures us that we will receive an opportunity to repent of our sins or that God, on the basis of these previous works, will simply overlook our sins. Here, God clearly says that those works will be forgotten in the case of one who falls into mortal sin. That’s why the Catholic Church teaches that the meritorious cause of our salvation is Jesus Christ and the formal cause of salvation is the infused righteousness of God (i.e. sanctifying grace) merited for us by the Passion and Death of Christ on the Cross.
Therefore, our attitude should be one of faith and humble/loving obedience to God and never to forget that we completely depend on God’s mercy obtained for us by the Cross of Christ and that everything that we do that is good and pleasing to God ultimately comes from Him.
God bless,
Michael
I agree with you. You said “it” much better than I did. 🙂

Pax,
SHW
 
However, God’s future graces and His direct intervention in our daily lives (due to the foreordainment of His mercy, such as to Saul who became our beloved Apostle, and/or the future prayers of the faithful on our behalf), and our own future responses to these graces while exercising our own free wills; these are all factors which determined whether we were elected and predestined for glory, or not, and this was all done before the foundation of the world.

Pax,
SHW
Hi SHW!

I hope that you don’t take offense at me and I pray that my comments will be well received; but I think it might be better said that the exercise of our free will, while certainly taken into account by God’s secret plan of predestination, is not a determining factor for that predestination. Rather, His election of us is “according to the riches of His grace,” “according to His purpose,” and “not because of works but because of Him Who calls,” so that “it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy” ((Eph 1:7, 1:9, Rom 9:11, Rom 9:16). “For it is God Who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure” (Phil 2:13).

Trent was very careful to point out that the determinative aspect of our freedom of will is shown forth by our ability to reject the grace of God, but not by our ability to receive it:

“The Synod furthermore declares, that in adults, the beginning of the said Justification is to be derived from the prevenient grace of God, through Jesus Christ, that is to say, from His vocation, whereby, without any merits existing on their parts, they are called; that so they, who by sins were alienated from God, may be disposed through His quickening and assisting grace, to convert themselves to their own justification, by freely assenting to and co-operating with that said grace: in such sort that, while God touches the heart of man by the illumination of the Holy Ghost, neither is man himself utterly without doing anything while he receives that inspiration, forasmuch as he is also able to reject [the prevenient grace of God], yet is he not able, by his own free will, without the grace of God, to move himself unto justice in His sight. Whence, when it is said in the sacred writings: “Turn ye to me, and I will turn to you,” we are admonished of our liberty; and when we answer, “Convert us, O Lord, to thee, and we shall be converted,” we confess that we are prevented by the grace of God” (Council of Trent, Decree on Justification, Ch 5).

On the positive side, that is, on the side of receiving the gift of salvation, the free assent and cooperation on the part of man is explained in the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification:

“We confess together that all persons depend completely on the saving grace of God for their salvation. The freedom they possess in relation to persons and the things of this world is no freedom in relation to salvation, for as sinners they stand under God’s judgment and are incapable of turning by themselves to God to seek deliverance, of meriting their justification before God, or of attaining salvation by their own abilities. Justification takes place solely by God’s grace. Because Catholics and Lutherans confess this together, it is true to say:

“When Catholics say that persons ‘cooperate’ in preparing for and accepting justification by consenting to God’s justifying action, they see such personal consent as itself an effect of grace, not as an action arising from innate human abilities.”

Canon 13 of The Council of Orange reads,

Concerning the restoration of free will. The freedom of will that was destroyed in the first man can be restored only by the grace of baptism, for what is lost can be returned only by the one who was able to give it. Hence the Truth itself declares: ‘So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed’ (John 8:36).”

Free will itself was not destroyed, but that freedom of the will that we had in Adam was destroyed, so that free-will is not determinative in its assent to the grace of God, but is rather wholly in need of it. I think that it is best said, in relation to salvation, that God’s will is sovereign and decisive, while man’s will is dependent and responsive. If our free-will played a determinative role, it would be a false humility to say,

“If only we encase ourselves in the armor of salvation against such a conflict, once we begin to refrain from sinning, we shall little by little blunt the edge of the enemy’s attack and sap his strength; until at length we shall wing our flight to that place of repose, where triumph and boundless joy will be ours. The credit of the victory is to be ascribed solely to the grace of God, which within us gives light to the mind and strength to the will, when we rise superior to so many hindrances and contests. It is the grace of God, We say! For as He created us, so is He able, through the treasures of His wisdom and power, to set aflame and fill our hearts wholly with His love” (Pope Pius XI, Ad Salutem Humani).
 
And I hope you have a blessed day, SHW!

Here is a collection of salubrious insights from The Doctor of Grace on the ability of free-will…

“And oh that those who have learned to observe and bewail this may succeed in overcoming and escaping from this power of terrestrial things! Such victory and emancipation cannot, without God’s grace, be achieved by the human will, which is by no means to be called free so long as it is subject to prevailing and enslaving lusts; ‘For of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.’ And the Son of God has Himself said, ‘If the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.’

“The law, therefore, by teaching and commanding what cannot be fulfilled without grace, demonstrates to man his weakness, in order that the weakness thus proved may resort to the Saviour, by whose healing the will may be able to do what in its feebleness it found impossible” (St. Augustine, Letter 145).

“But this part of the human race to which God has promised pardon and a share in His eternal kingdom, can they be restored through the merit of their own works? God forbid. For what good work can a lost man perform, except so far as he has been delivered from perdition? Can they do anything by the free determination of their own will? Again I say, God forbid. For it was by the evil use of his free-will that man destroyed both it and himself. For, as a man who kills himself must, of course, be alive when he kills himself, but after he has killed himself ceases to live, and cannot restore himself to life; so, when man by his own free-will sinned, then sin being victorious over him, the freedom of his will was lost. For of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. This is the judgment of the Apostle Peter. And as it is certainly true, what kind of liberty, I ask, can the bond-slave possess, except when it pleases him to sin? For he is freely in bondage who does with pleasure the will of his master. Accordingly, he who is the servant of sin is free to sin. And hence he will not be free to do right, until, being freed from sin, he shall begin to be the servant of righteousness. And this is true liberty, for he has pleasure in the righteous deed; and it is at the same time a holy bondage, for he is obedient to the will of God. But whence comes this liberty to do right to the man who is in bondage and sold under sin, except he be redeemed by Him who has said, If the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed? And before this redemption is wrought in a man, when he is not yet free to do what is right, how can he talk of the freedom of his will and his good works, except he be inflated by that foolish pride of boasting which the apostle restrains when he says, By grace are you saved, through faith” (St. Augustine, The Enchiridion on Faith, Hope, and Love, Ch 30).

“And further, should any one be inclined to boast, not indeed of his works, but of the freedom of his will, as if the first merit belonged to him, this very liberty of good action being given to him as a reward he had earned, let him listen to this same preacher of grace, when he says: For it is God which works in you, both to will and to do of His own good pleasure; and in another place: So, then, it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy. Now as, undoubtedly, if a man is of the age to use his reason, he cannot believe, hope, love, unless he will to do so, nor obtain the prize of the high calling of God unless he voluntarily run for it; in what sense is it not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy, except that, as it is written, the preparation of the heart is from the Lord? Otherwise, if it is said, It is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy, because it is of both, that is, both of the will of man and of the mercy of God, so that we are to understand the saying, It is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy, as if it meant the will of man alone is not sufficient, if the mercy of God go not with it—then it will follow that the mercy of God alone is not sufficient, if the will of man go not with it; and therefore, if we may rightly say, it is not of man that wills, but of God that shows mercy, because the will of man by itself is not enough, why may we not also rightly put it in the converse way: It is not of God that shows mercy, but of man that wills, because the mercy of God by itself does not suffice? Surely, if no Christian will dare to say this, It is not of God that shows mercy, but of man that wills, lest he should openly contradict the apostle, it follows that the true interpretation of the saying, It is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy, is that the whole work belongs to God, who both makes the will of man righteous, and thus prepares it for assistance, and assists it when it is prepared. For the man’s righteousness of will precedes many of God’s gifts, but not all; and it must itself be included among those which it does not precede (St. Augustine, The Enchiridion on Faith, Hope, and Love, Ch 32).
 
“But this will, which is free in evil things because it takes pleasure in evil, is not free in good things, for the reason that it has not been made free. Nor can a man will any good thing unless he is aided by Him who cannot will evil,— that is, by the grace of God through Jesus Christ our Lord. For everything which is not of faith is sin. And thus the good will which withdraws itself from sin is faithful, because the just lives by faith. And it pertains to faith to believe in Christ. And no man can believe in Christ— that is, come to Him— unless it be given to him. No man, therefore, can have a righteous will, unless, with no foregoing merits, he has received the true, that is, the gratuitous grace from above” (St. Augustine, [III]Against Two Letters of the Pelagians).

“It must be understood, therefore, that the righteousness of the law is not fulfilled according to the righteousness which is in the law or of the law, that is, according to the righteousness of man, but according to the righteousness which is in the Spirit of grace, therefore according to the righteousness of God, that is, which man has from God. Which may be thus more clearly and briefly stated: That the righteousness of the law is not fulfilled when the law commands, and man as it were of his own strength obeys; but when the Spirit aids, and man’s free will, but freed by the grace of God, performs” (St. Augustine, [VII]Against Two Letters of the Pelagians).

“The free will taken captive does not avail, except for sin; but for righteousness, unless divinely set free and aided, it does not avail. And thus, also, all the saints, whether from that ancient Abel to John the Baptist, or from the apostles themselves up to this time, and henceforth even to the end of the world, are to be praised in the Lord, not in themselves. Because the voice, even of those earlier ones, is, In the Lord shall my soul be praised. And the voice of the later ones is, By the grace of God I am what I am. And to all belongs, That he that glories may glory in the Lord” (St. Augustine, [VIII]Against Two Letters of the Pelagians).

“But those who do not belong to this number of the predestinated, whom— whether that they have not yet any free choice of their will, or with a choice of will truly free, because freed by grace itself— the grace of God brings to His kingdom,— those, then, who do not belong to that most certain and blessed number, are most righteously judged according to their deservings. For either they lie under the sin which they have inherited by original generation, and depart hence with that inherited debt which is not put away by regeneration, or by their free will have added other sins besides; their will, I say, free, but not freed,— free from righteousness, but enslaved to sin, by which they are tossed about by various mischievous lusts, some more evil, some less, but all evil; and they must be adjudged to diverse punishments, according to that very diversity. Or they receive the grace of God, but they are only for a season, and do not persevere; they forsake and are forsaken. For by their free will, as they have not received the gift of perseverance, they are sent away by the righteous and hidden judgment of God” (St. Augustine, On Rebuke and Grace).

“This is the reason why he said to you, ‘Turn not aside to the right hand, nor to the left;’ in other words, do not uphold free will in such wise as to attribute good works to it without the grace of God, nor so defend and maintain grace as if, by reason of it, you may love evil works in security and safety,–which may God’s grace itself avert from you!” (St. Augustine, Letter 215).

“He proceeds to say: ‘As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except ye abide in me.’ A great encomium on grace, my brethren,— one that will instruct the souls of the humble, and stop the mouths of the proud. Let those now answer it, if they dare, who, ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. Let the self-complacent answer it, who think they have no need of God for the performance of good works. Fight they not against such a truth, those men of corrupt mind, reprobate concerning the faith, whose reply is only full of impious talk, when they say: It is of God that we have our existence as men, but it is of ourselves that we are righteous? What is it you say, you who deceive yourselves, and, instead of establishing freewill, cast it headlong down from the heights of its self-elevation through the empty regions of presumption into the depths of an ocean grave? Why, your assertion that man of himself works righteousness, that is the height of your self-elation. But the Truth contradicts you, and declares, The branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine. Away with you now over your giddy precipices, and, without a spot whereon to take your stand, vapor away at your windy talk. These are the empty regions of your presumption. But look well at what is tracking your steps, and, if you have any sense remaining, let your hair stand on end. For whoever imagines that he is bearing fruit of himself is not in the vine, and he that is not in the vine is not in Christ, and he that is not in Christ is not a Christian. Such are the ocean depths into which you have plunged” (St. Augustine, The Gospel of John, Tractate 53).
 
“But in defending free will they hasten to confide rather in it for doing righteousness than in God’s aid, and to glory every one in himself, and not in the Lord. But who of us will say that by the sin of the first man free will perished from the human race? Through sin freedom indeed perished, but it was that freedom which was in Paradise, to have a full righteousness with immortality; and it is on this account that human nature needs divine grace, since the Lord says, If the Son shall make you free, then shall you be free indeed — free of course to live well and righteously. For free will in the sinner up to this extent did not perish,— that by it all sin, especially they who sin with delight and with love of sin; what they are pleased to do gives them pleasure. Whence also the apostle says, When ye were the servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. Behold, they are shown to have been by no means able to serve sin except by another freedom. They are not, then, free from righteousness except by the choice of the will, but they do not become free from sin save by the grace of the Saviour. For which reason the admirable Teacher also distinguished these very words: For when you were the servants, says he, of sin, you were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye, then, in those things whereof you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being freed from sin and become servants to God, you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end eternal life. He called them free from righteousness, not freed; but from sin not free, lest they should attribute this to themselves, but most watchfully he preferred to say freed, referring this to that declaration of the Lord, If the Son shall make you free, then shall you be free indeed. Since, then, the sons of men do not live well unless they are made the sons of God, why is it that this writer wishes to give the power of good living to free will, when this power is not given save by God’s grace through Jesus Christ our Lord, as the gospel says: And as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God?” (St. Augustine, [II]Against Two Letters of the Pelagians).

“Who can help trembling at those judgments of God by which He does in the hearts of even wicked men whatsoever He wills, at the same time rendering to them according to their deeds?” (St. Augustine, [XXI]On Grace and Free Will)

“From these statements of the inspired word, and from similar passages which it would take too long to quote in full, it is, I think, sufficiently clear that God works in the hearts of men to incline their wills whithersoever He wills, whether to good deeds according to His mercy, or to evil after their own deserts; His own judgment being sometimes manifest, sometimes secret, but always righteous. This ought to be the fixed and immoveable conviction of your heart, that there is no unrighteousness with God. Therefore, whenever you read in the Scriptures of Truth, that men are led aside, or that their hearts are blunted and hardened by God, never doubt that some ill deserts of their own have first occurred, so that they justly suffer these things. Thus you will not run counter to that proverb of Solomon: ‘The foolishness of a man perverts his ways, yet he blames God in his heart.’ Grace, however, is not bestowed according to men’s deserts; otherwise grace would be no longer grace. For grace is so designated because it is given gratuitously. Now if God is able, either through the agency of angels (whether good ones or evil), or in any other way whatever, to operate in the hearts even of the wicked, in return for their deserts,— whose wickedness was not made by Him, but was either derived originally from Adam, or increased by their own will,— what is there to wonder at if, through the Holy Spirit, He works good in the hearts of the elect, who has wrought it that their hearts become good instead of evil?” (St. Augustine, [XXI]On Grace and Free Will)

“But you will say, ‘I am walking in this way already; once there was need for me to learn, there was need for me to know by the teaching of the law what I had to do: now I have the free choice of the will; who shall withdraw me from this way?’ If you read carefully, you will find that a certain man began to uplift himself, on a certain abundance of his, which he had nevertheless received; but that the Lord in mercy, to teach him humility, took away what He had given… True it is, when man was created he received great power of free-will; but he lost it by sin. He fell into death, became infirm, was left in the way by the robbers half dead” (St. Augustine, Sermon 81).
 
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