Why is the "Back to the Land Movement" attractive to the SSPX faithful?

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I have noticed that among some SSPX faithfull there are calls for a back to the land movement.

It is manifested with a sort of drive towards St Mary’s,KS and Post Falls,ID.

What do you think of these places?

Why such a movement among the SSPX faithfull?
 
It’s mentioned pretty regularly on any traditional Catholic forum. No, not on this section of CAF…but that’s not entirely surprising.

The OP may have some links, but I’ll probably get hanged, drawn, and quartered if I link to any such posts 🤷
 
I’m SSPX, but am Australian so don’t know what sort of places St Mary’s,KS and Post Falls are like.

However, I am currently listening to some CD’s from SSPX Priest Father Doran about raising good Catholic families & households (which are really brilliant, he is just a great speaker). He mentioned St Mary’s recently and I didn’t inderstand the significance until I read this post. He was commenting on the importance of gainful employment, establishing a trade or a career etc as you have a duty to provide for your family. He compared this to some people who uproot their families and “move to St Mary’s” and put their trust in God to provide.

He called this action, ie moving to St Mary’s, irresponsible, lacking any sort of sense, probably sinful and just plain stupid.

So, while their may be some SSPX’ers who are prepared to embrace this type of lifestyle it is obviously not shared by our Priests.
 
I have noticed that among some SSPX faithfull there are calls for a back to the land movement.

It is manifested with a sort of drive towards St Mary’s,KS and Post Falls,ID.

What do you think of these places?

Why such a movement among the SSPX faithfull?
There is writing on the wall, do you not see it?

There is nowhere but to fall, can’t you see it?

We have gotten way too tall, do you not fear it?

And the city casts a pall, do you not feel it?

And where to go but West, and face the East?

And in the morning with the Sun on our backs- did we not hear it?

And with the recognition of this all, are we not near it?

Or maybe they just want to get their Farm on?

:whacky:

Food prices are about to skyrocket, so it’s actually kind of a good move.
 
You will find this mentality not only among traditional catholics but of a lot of people and for good reason. If you have the ability I would wholeheartedly encourage ‘getting back to the land’ so to speak no matter where you live even if that means making a small garden in your gated community. For one families benefit from sharing responsibility in tending gardens, raising their own food, tending their own animals etc. What you grow is going to be much healthier than what you can get in the store, it will decrease the amount of money you spend on food, you will know what pesticides (if any) are on your food etc. The experience brings families closer together. Of course this isn’t just about gardens but also raising your own meat even if on a small scale. Within the limits of a lot of cities and towns you can raise chickens (no roosters usually) and meat rabbits and the likes. We live in a strict area and yet we raise meat rabbits (new zealand whites) and grow, and can, a lot of food from our own garden.

Getting back to basics, teaching kids (meaning parents and children actually spend time together - imagine that) baking breads from scratch, growing and canning food, having chores that are both rewarding, hard work, and wholesome leads to a practical well roundedness that is devoid in our i-pad, head bowed to the cell phone, mentality. If only I could get my hands on a couple of acres I could show you meaning of self sufficiency by wide row (aka intensive method) gardening. Our lot (including our home) is on roughy 1/4 acre in an area with strict rules yet every week or so we would pick about 10 lbs of green beans, endless zuchinni, squash, okra etc. A lot of kids live off of candy as a treat - our kids enjoy eating cherry tomatoes off the vine and the endless sugar snap peas straight from the plant.

The whole thing grounds us in the basics of life and is well rewarding, nutritious, and is wholesome family fun!

I’m currently in the process of starting our garden off for this year - last year we grew corn for the first time and everyone had a blast and we had all the fresh picked corn we could eat for about a week or two. We finally found a rabbit recipe we all enjoy (although the kids like it regardless of the way it is cooked).

Great stuff! Not just for traditional Catholics but for everyone who would benefit from more wholesome foods and wholesome family activities!
 
You will find this mentality not only among traditional catholics but of a lot of people and for good reason. If you have the ability I would wholeheartedly encourage ‘getting back to the land’ so to speak no matter where you live even if that means making a small garden in your gated community. For one families benefit from sharing responsibility in tending gardens, raising their own food, tending their own animals etc. What you grow is going to be much healthier than what you can get in the store, it will decrease the amount of money you spend on food, you will know what pesticides (if any) are on your food etc. The experience brings families closer together. Of course this isn’t just about gardens but also raising your own meat even if on a small scale. Within the limits of a lot of cities and towns you can raise chickens (no roosters usually) and meat rabbits and the likes. We live in a strict area and yet we raise meat rabbits (new zealand whites) and grow, and can, a lot of food from our own garden.

Getting back to basics, teaching kids (meaning parents and children actually spend time together - imagine that) baking breads from scratch, growing and canning food, having chores that are both rewarding, hard work, and wholesome leads to a practical well roundedness that is devoid in our i-pad, head bowed to the cell phone, mentality. If only I could get my hands on a couple of acres I could show you meaning of self sufficiency by wide row (aka intensive method) gardening. Our lot (including our home) is on roughy 1/4 acre in an area with strict rules yet every week or so we would pick about 10 lbs of green beans, endless zuchinni, squash, okra etc. A lot of kids live off of candy as a treat - our kids enjoy eating cherry tomatoes off the vine and the endless sugar snap peas straight from the plant.

The whole thing grounds us in the basics of life and is well rewarding, nutritious, and is wholesome family fun!

I’m currently in the process of starting our garden off for this year - last year we grew corn for the first time and everyone had a blast and we had all the fresh picked corn we could eat for about a week or two. We finally found a rabbit recipe we all enjoy (although the kids like it regardless of the way it is cooked).

Great stuff! Not just for traditional Catholics but for everyone who would benefit from more wholesome foods and wholesome family activities!
In relation to my earlier comment I would like to emphasis your proviso that “if you have the ability”. Father Doran states it is irresponsible to place the welfare of your family at risk by giving up employment that provides the necessities for your family. He also opposes families choosing welfare handouts over gainful employment.

But, having said that I actually agree with your philosophies about providing for yourself if you can. Processed food nowadays is full of poison and I believe is a major factor in the growing rates of cancer. And, apart from the health factor, growing your own food is a simple and wholesome activity for the whole family and being at least partially self-sufficient also makes sense economically. We have one third of an acre and have a good size mapped out for a vegie patch but we seem to be lacking the time and dedication to get started properly at the moment. :o

In fact, Bishop Williamson has been warning us for ages about the imminent economic collapse of many western countries. He warns us to be prepared and his advice is simple. Pay down your debt and grow potatoes. 👍
 
You will find this mentality not only among traditional catholics but of a lot of people and for good reason. If you have the ability I would wholeheartedly encourage ‘getting back to the land’ so to speak no matter where you live even if that means making a small garden in your gated community. For one families benefit from sharing responsibility in tending gardens, raising their own food, tending their own animals etc. What you grow is going to be much healthier than what you can get in the store, it will decrease the amount of money you spend on food, you will know what pesticides (if any) are on your food etc. The experience brings families closer together. Of course this isn’t just about gardens but also raising your own meat even if on a small scale. Within the limits of a lot of cities and towns you can raise chickens (no roosters usually) and meat rabbits and the likes. We live in a strict area and yet we raise meat rabbits (new zealand whites) and grow, and can, a lot of food from our own garden.

Getting back to basics, teaching kids (meaning parents and children actually spend time together - imagine that) baking breads from scratch, growing and canning food, having chores that are both rewarding, hard work, and wholesome leads to a practical well roundedness that is devoid in our i-pad, head bowed to the cell phone, mentality. If only I could get my hands on a couple of acres I could show you meaning of self sufficiency by wide row (aka intensive method) gardening. Our lot (including our home) is on roughy 1/4 acre in an area with strict rules yet every week or so we would pick about 10 lbs of green beans, endless zuchinni, squash, okra etc. A lot of kids live off of candy as a treat - our kids enjoy eating cherry tomatoes off the vine and the endless sugar snap peas straight from the plant.

The whole thing grounds us in the basics of life and is well rewarding, nutritious, and is wholesome family fun!

I’m currently in the process of starting our garden off for this year - last year we grew corn for the first time and everyone had a blast and we had all the fresh picked corn we could eat for about a week or two. We finally found a rabbit recipe we all enjoy (although the kids like it regardless of the way it is cooked).

Great stuff! Not just for traditional Catholics but for everyone who would benefit from more wholesome foods and wholesome family activities!
This sounds so nice! I wanna be able to do it, but I’m single and in college and work at Burger King =’( But that sounds so much like how I’d like to live! The idea of my own vegetable garden is so beautiful and simple. Not fair.
 
In fact, Bishop Williamson has been warning us for ages about the imminent economic collapse of many western countries. He warns us to be prepared and his advice is simple. Pay down your debt and grow potatoes. 👍
To be fair though, not everyone has a green thumb or even just an amateur gardener’s thumb. God has a different calling for everyone. I don’t think it should be seen as a bad thing if you have the skillset that’s ‘high-end’ or ‘city-slick’. Declines like economical ones shouldn’t be seen as a sign of changing your calling but a sign to do something about it. And heck, in my country, the economy has badly affected farmers just as much as it has affected any other livelihood. It’s not like a farmer’s life is immune to socio-economic changes. Frankly, one could even say that plenty of Third World countries are what they are because of their agricultural bent (not really my position but it has some points when I look at my own country).

While some people dream of living a farmer’s life and have the capacity, there are still others who dream of running their own biz in a big office with the same capacity.
 
This sounds so nice! I wanna be able to do it, but I’m single and in college and work at Burger King =’( But that sounds so much like how I’d like to live! The idea of my own vegetable garden is so beautiful and simple. Not fair.
Dont’ worry Maria, your time will come. But when I talk about small - I mean small. My description may have sounded big but like I said we live in the low income side of town in a tiny house (1300 sq. ft. for my wife and 3 children) on a small lot. We strategically use parts of our property to plant gardens. Instead of ideally having one big garden we have 3-4 small ones in the oddball parts of our property.

Even in your situation you might be able to do something a little smaller. If you’re in an apartment you could pot up a few tomato or pepper plants on the balcony or outside on a patio. Get a headstart on your gardening skills! 🙂
 
Dont’ worry Maria, your time will come. But when I talk about small - I mean small. My description may have sounded big but like I said we live in the low income side of town in a tiny house (1300 sq. ft. for my wife and 3 children) on a small lot. We strategically use parts of our property to plant gardens. Instead of ideally having one big garden we have 3-4 small ones in the oddball parts of our property.

Even in your situation you might be able to do something a little smaller. If you’re in an apartment you could pot up a few tomato or pepper plants on the balcony or outside on a patio. Get a head start on your gardening skills! 🙂
👍👍

My “Garden” amounts to a small patch between my sidewalk and garage. I usually put out 4 tomato and 4 cucumber plants. I really like tomatoes on sandwiches and such but generally end up freezing most of the crop for soups and stews and I found a really good and really easy sweet pickle recipe for the cucumbers.
But that’s just me. Green beans are another good crop in small areas, especially if you can get them to climb something.
Anyone interested in doing “a wee bit of gardening” should go to their local nursery and talk to the folks there. Whether it’s a plot or a pot, they can help guide you.

Peace
James
 
Perhaps some people want to live away from more secular places.

As far as doing a victory-type garden, I had one for years in my smallish (half acre) suburban lot. I religiously rototilled, planted, watered, fertilized, even had a compost heap. My reward for all this effort was the knowledge that I had opened a free salad bar for the deer and rabbits that practically overrun the wooded area that backs up on the houses on my cul-de-sac. St. Francis would have been thrilled, but I was less than charmed with Brother Rabbit, Sister Deer, and even worse, Cousin Skunk coming around to sample the Odile brunch buffet!

I ran chicken wire: The deer vaulted merrily over it. I installed security lights and tripwire activated sprinklers. The rabbits didn’t care. The skunks sometimes sprayed, making a lot of produce inedible. Last year was the final straw: My total yield from a thirty foot by thirty foot garden was seven tomatoes, three cucumbers, and a few handfuls of string beans! The four-legged marauders got all of the rest of it.

Since I live in a third ring suburb, there are local produce farms readily available to me, and I’m now a frequent flier at the farmers’ stands. It is nice to bring home non-nibbled vegetables and actually be able to eat, can, or freeze them, at a fraction of what I’d pay at the supermarket. Plus, the few bucks a week I spend at the farmers’ stands goes toward helping to sustain a family farm. I pick up my eggs and milk at the farm as well.

I just had two pallets of pavers delivered, and am installing a patio on the erstwhile garden site, with a soon-to-be purchased statue of the Sacred Heart. I’ll put in a couple of planters, leave some unpaved areas and plant them over with flowers, and have a nice little outdoor meditation place where I can relax, meditate, and pray in the warm weather months. And perhaps the lack of my little welfare state will drive the four legged freeloaders back into the woods where they belong.

Especially Cousin Skunk!
 
Odile - Too funny and too true…I’ve had my share of this kind of problem myself…though not so much with brother skunk…

Farmers markets and roadside stands can indeed be a good alternative to “growing your own”

By the way - - -

When you went to the farmers markets did you ask what they did to keep critters out???

Peace
James
 
This sounds so nice! I wanna be able to do it, but I’m single and in college and work at Burger King =’( But that sounds so much like how I’d like to live! The idea of my own vegetable garden is so beautiful and simple. Not fair.
If you have a balcony you can grow quite a few things. And quite a large crop of potatoes can be grown in a 5 gallon bucket.
 
Perhaps some people want to live away from more secular places.

As far as doing a victory-type garden, I had one for years in my smallish (half acre) suburban lot. I religiously rototilled, planted, watered, fertilized, even had a compost heap. My reward for all this effort was the knowledge that I had opened a free salad bar for the deer and rabbits that practically overrun the wooded area that backs up on the houses on my cul-de-sac. St. Francis would have been thrilled, but I was less than charmed with Brother Rabbit, Sister Deer, and even worse, Cousin Skunk coming around to sample the Odile brunch buffet!

I ran chicken wire: The deer vaulted merrily over it. I installed security lights and tripwire activated sprinklers. The rabbits didn’t care. The skunks sometimes sprayed, making a lot of produce inedible. Last year was the final straw: My total yield from a thirty foot by thirty foot garden was seven tomatoes, three cucumbers, and a few handfuls of string beans! The four-legged marauders got all of the rest of it.

Since I live in a third ring suburb, there are local produce farms readily available to me, and I’m now a frequent flier at the farmers’ stands. It is nice to bring home non-nibbled vegetables and actually be able to eat, can, or freeze them, at a fraction of what I’d pay at the supermarket. Plus, the few bucks a week I spend at the farmers’ stands goes toward helping to sustain a family farm. I pick up my eggs and milk at the farm as well.

I just had two pallets of pavers delivered, and am installing a patio on the erstwhile garden site, with a soon-to-be purchased statue of the Sacred Heart. I’ll put in a couple of planters, leave some unpaved areas and plant them over with flowers, and have a nice little outdoor meditation place where I can relax, meditate, and pray in the warm weather months. And perhaps the lack of my little welfare state will drive the four legged freeloaders back into the woods where they belong.

Especially Cousin Skunk!
What a cute & funny post, even though I am sure you did not think this at the time;)

What I have always wondered is, how do farmers that farm organically do it? How do they keep “cousin skunk” and the rest of the gang out of the veggies?
All of those selling their beautiful produce at the farmers market, how do they keep
St. Francis’s;) relatives out?

Thanks for the post,
God Bless:gopray2:
 
What a cute & funny post, even though I am sure you did not think this at the time;)

What I have always wondered is, how do farmers that farm organically do it? How do they keep “cousin skunk” and the rest of the gang out of the veggies?
All of those selling their beautiful produce at the farmers market, how do they keep
St. Francis’s;) relatives out?

Thanks for the post,
God Bless:gopray2:
There are many and varied “remedies” that are used and tried…up to and possibly including trapping and the "three “S”'s (Shoot Shovel and shut-up)…;):whistle:

Some work better than others and some might work one year and not so well the next.
Plus there are more and more “natural” and “Organic” products coming on the market…

Peace
James
 
I was very familiar with Post Falls, SSPX back in the late 70’s and early 80’s. Yes, there was a lot of sentiment for forming their own communities but I think mostly because we were so ostricized(sp) in our regular cities. In fact I was told by the local pastor that I was going to hell while I was standing in an aisle at a Safeway store.

Lots of people used to ignore me in town. So the feeling of being rather alone can get to you. Many of the folks bought property near Post Falls and moved there. I still have friends that live near Post Falls.

I came back to the mainstream church in 1988 when the Bishop consecrated the new Bishops without permission. I have since tied my hope and prayers with the FSSP. But I still pray for the regularization of SSPX.
 
I have noticed that among some SSPX faithfull there are calls for a back to the land movement.

It is manifested with a sort of drive towards St Mary’s,KS and Post Falls,ID.
I am curious what they mean by “back to the land.” In the 1960s and 70s, when the movement was semi-fashionable, it meant living a simple life in a rural setting, being self-sufficient in terms of food and as self-sufficient as possible in other areas. At the extreme end, this meant butchering your own livestock. A magazine called “Mother Earth News” even ran articles, with photos, providing step by step instructions on the skills practiced by our rural grandparents or great-grandparents.

However, that movement became milder with time. People like their luxuries and comforts. And self-sufficiency is hard work.

Someone mentioned that Bishop Williamson was warning of an imminent economic collapse, which makes me wonder if they aren’t following the older model of “back to the land.” Is that the sort of thing that SSPX faithful are attempting to do? Or is it more a matter of relocating to an intentional community of like-minded persons and growing a vegetable garden?
 
I think the way the farmers end up with enough to sell is through sheer volume. I had 30 by 30 feet of various vegetables, they have several acres. They get some attrition due to the local wildlife, and yes, there is the shoot-shovel-shut up method of reducing crop attrition. I’d get arrested if I shot off a rifle in the cul-de-sac! Plus, since my husband is out of town much of the time, I have no clue what I’d do with a deer carcass, I don’t care much for rabbit, and skunk is out of the question!
 
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