Why is The Book of Enoch not devinely inspired?

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There are about 500,000 Catholics in ethiopia and about 27 million members of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church - the Book of Enoch is in the canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox-why not:parts of it were written about 300 BC -Old testament stuff

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I tried but, I don’t see a chat button for Pope Francis. 🙂 I already did send this question for to a different “Catholic Answers”. I was told to wait two or, three days and then never heard a word. I understand canon is canon with the understanding it’s the Vatican’s call. But that is where some extra can leak in play by means of inclusion. An example would be Byzantine Rite Catholics have St. Uriel listed as an archangel. We are all in communion. If I decide tomorrow to become a Byzantine Rite Catholic that wouldn’t be a sin.
 
It’s in the Ethiopia Catholic Bible. There is no problem with that. So why would what would then have to be “Word of God” not be devinely inspired?
The official explanation im sure will be something along the lines of “the holy spirit guided the process of selecting the Canon” but as a historian I there was quite a bit of politic surrounding the meetings selecting the Canon.
 
There are about 500,000 Catholics in ethiopia and about 27 million members of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church - the Book of Enoch is in the canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox-why not:parts of it were written about 300 BC -Old testament stuff

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Not sure where you got that number. There are approximately 45 million Ethiopian Orthodox Christians.
 
Without speaking on Enoch, please keep in ming that just because a book isn’t in the Cannon doesn’t necessarily mean that it isn’t inspired - it’s usually a great indication that it isn’t, but it doesn’t always mean that.

Form here:

catholic.com/quickquestions/why-did-some-books-mentioned-in-the-bible-perish-and-not-make-it-into-the-canon

“In the New Testament, there are references to a third letter from Paul to the Corinthians (1 Cor 5:9) and of a letter of his to the Laodiceans (Col 4:16; though many have thought this letter to the Laodiceans is the same as the letter to the Ephesians). Such books may have been inspired, but for some reason God chose not to have them passed down and included in the canon.”
 
In Jude 1:14 there is;

“Now of these Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying: Behold, the Lord cometh with thousands of his saints,”

So Enoch did have something to say, and it was written down so it could be quoted!😉
 
From Wikipedia: (bolding added)
“…Other distinctions between the Orthodox and Catholic Ethiopian Churches include certain points of doctrine regarding the sacraments, the use of the Catholic canon of Scripture, and the Catholic rejection of miaphysite theology…”
ORLY? quoted from vatican.va/news_services/press/sinodo/documents/bollettino_22_xii-ordinaria-2008/02_inglese/b14_02.html" The Word of God was the source of Ethiopic Literature. The Bible was translated into Ethiopic between the 4th and the 6th century AD. 2) Some books are preserved in their entirety only in Classical Ethiopic and parts of the Ethiopian Biblical Canon are precious for biblical scholarship; The Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees are important works for understanding the context of Second Temple Judaism, Qumran and the origins of Christianity. They are also significant for the study of apocalyptic literature. 3) The Ethiopian Bible society is doing a lot for the translation of the Bible in local and regional languages (inc1uding cassettes, CDs, a device called “Proclaimer” which works even with solar energy); The Board Members of the Bible Society are 24: 8 from the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, 8 from the Catholic Church and 8 from the Evangelical Church. This is a good example for Ecumenical cooperation. The President of the Board, at the moment, is Catholic." Also quoted from ecs.org.et/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=175&Itemid=87" The Ethiopian Catholic Church is especially close to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, whose doctrine and liturgical tradition she shares. While separated by their understanding of the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, the Ethiopian Catholic and Orthodox Churches have basically the same sacraments, the same prayers, the same devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary and the angels and the saints, the same traditions: the same faith. For this reason, the Ethiopian Catholic Church does not proselytize Ethiopian Orthodox Christians, but strives for brotherly cooperation. Indeed, Ethiopian Catholics pray and work in hope for the day that the Ethiopian Catholic and Orthodox Churches will unite in full communion."
 
The quoted bits may be how the Ethiopian Catholic Church sees itself, but the differences between the two (which parallel the differences between the other OO churches and their Catholic counterparts) are not marginal, and they cannot be said to believe the same things minus their different ideas about the Roman Pope. This is a projection of Roman Catholic ecclesiology onto Orthodox people. Orthodoxy is no more defined by its rejection of Roman Catholic ecclesiology than Roman Catholicism is defined by its rejection of Orthodox ecclesiology.
 
This one for now: the fact that only the Ethiopians include it in their canon should tell you something. In other words, they’re in the minority.
Following this line of reasoning all Christians should abandon the Deuterocanon for the sake of the Protestant Bible.
I thought they fell under the Oriental Orthodox Church.🤷
The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church is an Oriental Orthodox church, just like the Greek Orthodox Church is an Eastern Orthodox Church. The former speaks to the particular church and the latter refers to the larger communion in which it resides.
It is not divinely inspired because the Holy Catholic Church did not list it among those that were inspired. End of story.
I was taught in RCIA that the Catholic understanding of the inspired nature of the canon is a positive proposition: The infallibility of the Church ensures that the books that are in the canon are divinely inspired, but that does not necessarily mean that there are no other divinely inspired books outside of the canon. This means that at a minimum a Catholic must accept those books defined at the Council of Trent, but a Catholic of a particular sui juiris church whose canon is larger than that of the Latin church is OK. Is this incorrect?
 
“I was taught in RCIA that the Catholic understanding of the inspired nature of the canon is a positive proposition: The infallibility of the Church ensures that the books that are in the canon are divinely inspired, but that does not necessarily mean that there are no other divinely inspired books outside of the canon. This means that at a minimum a Catholic must accept those books defined at the Council of Trent, but a Catholic of a particular sui juiris church whose canon is larger than that of the Latin church is OK. Is this incorrect?”

How else would you describe this letter from Pope John Paul II?

the Second Vatican Council has urged them to rediscover their full identity, because they have “the right and the duty to govern themselves according to their own special disciplines. For these are guaranteed by ancient tradition, and seem to be better suited to the customs of their faithful and to the good of their souls.” [59] These Churches carry a tragic wound, for thy are still kept from full communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches despite sharing in the heritage of their fathers.

"The quoted bits may be how the Ethiopian Catholic Church sees itself, but the differences between the two (which parallel the differences between the other OO churches and their Catholic counterparts) are not final, and they cannot be said to believe the same things minus their different ideas about the Roman Pope. "

How else? Besides the Pope and his sucession would you say they differ?
 
“I was taught in RCIA that the Catholic understanding of the inspired nature of the canon is a positive proposition: The infallibility of the Church ensures that the books that are in the canon are divinely inspired, but that does not necessarily mean that there are no other divinely inspired books outside of the canon. This means that at a minimum a Catholic must accept those books defined at the Council of Trent, but a Catholic of a particular sui juiris church whose canon is larger than that of the Latin church is OK. Is this incorrect?”

How else would you describe this letter from Pope John Paul II?

the Second Vatican Council has urged them to rediscover their full identity, because they have “the right and the duty to govern themselves according to their own special disciplines. For these are guaranteed by ancient tradition, and seem to be better suited to the customs of their faithful and to the good of their souls.” [59] These Churches carry a tragic wound, for thy are still kept from full communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches despite sharing in the heritage of their fathers.

"The quoted bits may be how the Ethiopian Catholic Church sees itself, but the differences between the two (which parallel the differences between the other OO churches and their Catholic counterparts) are not final, and they cannot be said to believe the same things minus their different ideas about the Roman Pope. "

How else? Besides the Pope and his sucession would you say they differ?
I’m having some trouble understanding the relevance of that quote to my post. Could you clarify a bit please?

Also, given that you’re the originator of this thread, do you think my post sufficed as an answer to your question?

You asked “Why is the Book of Enoch not divinely inspired?”, and I’ve taken the Catholic position to be that it may or may not be inspired. The Catholic Church has not said that it is not inspired. Just because it isn’t in the Western canon doesn’t mean it is not inspired. It’s sort of analogous to the canonization of Saints. The infallibility of the Church ensures that all the individuals whom she has canonized are in fact in Heaven, but that doesn’t mean that the list of Saints is exhaustive. There may be (and I’d wager it’s a given) that there are thousands of other people in Heaven who the Church doesn’t know about. Similarly, the canonized books are ensured to be inspired, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t inspired books outside of the canon.
 
Following this line of reasoning all Christians should abandon the Deuterocanon for the sake of the Protestant Bible.
Look again. Most of what I would call the historic Churches accept at least the seven books in question in agreement with the Western Church, even if have a more loose definition of what ‘canon’ is and accept a few more books than we do. Now I know some people out there would invoke a ‘Trail of Blood’-type of thing here, but let’s be honest: Protestantism as a whole and the various denominations thereof only came fairly recently on the scene.
 
I’ve taken the Catholic position to be that it may or may not be inspired.
I do understand where you’re coming from in respect one Catholic Rite’s tradition verus another. For example from catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0804.html
" For example, unlike a good Latin parish, in a traditional Eastern Catholic parish you won’t find musical instruments, statues, rosaries, or stations of the cross. Indeed, the priest may well have a wife and children, and the church might be without pews or kneelers. In some circumstances, even the Bible might have a larger canon and include Third and Fourth Maccabees. Unity does not mean uniformity." I guess, I’m lost in that sence of “grey area”…" may or may not"…The way I see it, any of the otherswise extra books used by anyone of the different Catholic “in union” Churches make these books Devine. The different rites shouldn’t be forced into using them but, just the same, reffering to the books as anything but Devine Scripture should be erased from our lips.
 
Look again. Most of what I would call the historic Churches accept at least the seven books in question in agreement with the Western Church, even if have a more loose definition of what ‘canon’ is and accept a few more books than we do. Now I know some people out there would invoke a ‘Trail of Blood’-type of thing here, but let’s be honest: Protestantism as a whole and the various denominations thereof only came fairly recently on the scene.
Change that to all the historic Churches. Western Christians accept them, the Eastern Churches accept them, the Oriental Churches accept them. (Although again the Ethiopian Tewahedo do not have 1-2 Maccabees as we know it - or even 3-4 Maccabees; they instead have what is called I, II, and III Meqabyan, which despite the similar-sounding name, are really different works entirely.)
 
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The story of the Message begins with the events described in the ancient Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch talks about “Two hundred angels, the children of heaven”, who descended to earth. They explained the calendar to Enoch, which he recorded, “but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come”. What was hidden in the calendar for future generations? Vladimir Pakhomov has found this information!

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Where do prayers like this come from?

[The Vision of Enoch

I speak to you.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I spoke to you when you were born.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I spoke to you at your first sight.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I spoke to you at your first word.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I spoke to you at your first thought.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I spoke to you at your first song.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the grass of the meadows.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you the trees of the forests.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the valleys and the hills
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the Holy Mountains
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the rain and the snow
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the waves of the sea.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the dew of the morning.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the peace of the evening.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the splendor of the sun.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the brilliant stars.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the storm and the clouds.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the thunder and lightning.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you through the mysterious rainbow
Be still. Know
I am God.
I will speak to you when you are alone
Be still. Know
I am God.
I will speak to you through the Wisdom of the Ancients
Be still. Know
I am God.
I will speak to you at the end of time.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I will speak to you when you have seen my Angels.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I will speak to you throughout Eternity.
Be still. Know
I am God.
I speak to you.
Be still. Know
I am God.](http://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=2984)
 
Do the non-Latin sui iuris Churches have their own canons of Scripture? Were they required to repudiate their former canons of Scripture when they (re)entered into communion with Rome?
Half and half, in a way- I’m almost going to say yes and yes, to both propositions. If you look in a Greek Catholic Bible, you will see that everything acknowledged by the Eastern tradition is in there, but it is separated just a little bit with notation acknowledging that it is not a part of the recognized canon. Essentially, the bits that are called Deutero by some and Apocryphal by others are written within the pages (which makes it different from a standard RC Bible) but effectively labeled Apocryphal (which makes it different from the standard accepted content of the Greek Septuagint).
 
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