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Hisalone
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You do not follow in His example you follow the traditions of man If you followed Jesus you too would chose married priests
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Hisalone
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Do you make this stuff up as you go along?for one thing, i really like that quote at the end of your post…
As far as i know, St. Peter was the only pope who was married… and it is also my understanding that he & his wife decided to remain celibate for the rest of their lives?? correct me if wrong…
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adstrinity
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Jesus never chose married priests.
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Gamera
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She said “to follow in His footsteps.” Meaning, Jesus was unmarried, and priests follow in His footsteps.Lischou:
If you truly followed him you would chose married priests. But since you follow the traditions of men you do not.
You keep using the catchphrase “traditions of men” as if tradition was a bad thing. Jesus only warned against letting traditions of men contradict God’s command. He never said tradition is itself bad.
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dosdog
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Thou Shalt get married?
No one is getting married here
Mark 12 25 For when they shall rise again from the dead, they shall neither marry, nor be married, but are as the angels in heaven.
The Protestant population in Londonderry’s Cityside has dwindled by more than 97%, a shocking new investigation reveals today.
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/article3299061.ece
CHURCHGOERS IN NEW-YORK.; THE PROTESTANT EXODUS. THE LEADING CAUSE OF CATHOLIC INCREASE IN NEW-YORK.
query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9507E6D9173DE533A25752C1A9619C94639FD7CF
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Gamera
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We Catholic Christians don’t believe Christ was ever wrong.
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Gamera
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Can you prove that? The fact is that Jesus never made marital status, one way or the other, a requirement of priesthood.
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Gamera
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Again, why do you think “traditions of man” are bad? Jesus criticized only traditions that contradicted God’s word. “So, for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God,” Matthew 15:6. Not every tradition contradicts God’s word. Here there is no contradiciton because Jesus never taught that priests had to be married.
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adstrinity
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Yes. He chose fishermen, tax collectors, ect. Neither the Bible nor the Magesterium, nor Tradition says that he chose any priest from either Rabbinical or Pagan traditions. If He didn’t choose any priest of any kind, we can therefore correctly say, He didn’t chose any married priests and Hisalone has erred, but, seeing as he is not speaking infallibly, we couldn’t expect anything less.
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Benadam
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what kind of responses are these? Hisalone?
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fbl9
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give it up Hisalone Jesus has beaten your limp agruements.ST. Matthew 19;11.“and He said not all can accept this teaching;but those whom it has been given.For there are eunuchs who were born so from thier mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs made so by men; and there are eunuchs who have made themselves so for the kingdom of heaven.Let him accept it who can.” it is very plain Hisalone that you can not accept the words of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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vocatio
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If you take a hard look at the negative harsh response you will find that at least 3, maybe 4 hear are all fallen away Catholics. The problem is that their status renders anything they say is hostile. You can’t argue with someone coming from the position that is still angry a the Church.
Celibacy is a discipline, not a doctrine. Paul encouraged the early Chrisitians to remain celibate. He was not married as well. There are many historical reasons priests did and do not marry in both the Western and Eastern Church. Personally I would loveto see the Latin Rite allow married men to the priesthood without a dispensation from the discipline. But celibacy is a very beautiful sacrifice men make for the Church. Married men are not as available tothe parish as celibate/unmarried men. We, as part ofthe body of Christ, really do NOT want to lose the celibate priests because if they were married they would be very divided and prone, like the rest of us men, to appease his wife. Marriage is our first and highest vocation. Deacons are reminded of this point throughout their formation.
Celibacy is a discipline, not a doctrine. Paul encouraged the early Chrisitians to remain celibate. He was not married as well. There are many historical reasons priests did and do not marry in both the Western and Eastern Church. Personally I would loveto see the Latin Rite allow married men to the priesthood without a dispensation from the discipline. But celibacy is a very beautiful sacrifice men make for the Church. Married men are not as available tothe parish as celibate/unmarried men. We, as part ofthe body of Christ, really do NOT want to lose the celibate priests because if they were married they would be very divided and prone, like the rest of us men, to appease his wife. Marriage is our first and highest vocation. Deacons are reminded of this point throughout their formation.
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melissa09
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vocatio - you make some very good points that i agree with you on - except for allowing married priests. I just think its better that priests and other religious people dont marry so that they devout their entire lives to God and to serving Him.
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distracted
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one way is to look at Scriptures in which Jesus condemns certain practices/beliefs… and only (ourselves) condemn those and only those… all tradition is not condemned…
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distracted
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Priests used to be allowedto marry… up until about the 11th centruy…
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valient_Lucy
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The Catholic Church does not command anyone to marry; indeed, the Church teaches that some people are called to stay single. Jesus refers to people who “make themselves eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom.”
The Catholic Church decided to recruit bishops and priests from men who are called to celibacy in order that they might fully devote themselves to the Kingdom, and also fully represent Christ to the world. Christ was not married to an earthly bride, his bride is the Church, so bishops likewise stay unmarried and devote themselves to Christ’s bride, the Church.
As others have undoubtedly pointed out, this is a discipline, not a doctrine, so it could be changed. But I think that is unlikely, given the wisdom of this discipline.
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distracted
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The Church allowed priests to marry up until the 10th or 11th centruy… and would/could still allow it if it was somehow called for… This is a traditiion, not a dogma (which is not changeable)… There are priests who are married now… ones who were Protestant ministers and converted and wanted to enter the priesthood… I think the name of one is Father Riley or something like that…
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adstrinity
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Jesus never chose priests to be His followers. Jesus never chose married priests.
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Benadam
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I have to agree with melissa. Pope John Paul II taught that the celibacy of the religious in the Church in a mysterious way enables married and single people to remain chaste.
I believe of all the powers of nature man fell too the urge to reproduce with all it’s facets is the most difficult for man to overcome and bring back into subjection.
The religious subject that power entirely to Christ like a counterbalance to the effects of that power’s dominance in man. In this day and age it is particularly needed.
The Priesthood makes the celibate life visible in a way that the religious can’t. That our Priests are called to the front lines of that battle with the religious seems fitting to me, and it would be a great loss I think if the celibate life drops out of sight for the world at large.
I believe of all the powers of nature man fell too the urge to reproduce with all it’s facets is the most difficult for man to overcome and bring back into subjection.
The religious subject that power entirely to Christ like a counterbalance to the effects of that power’s dominance in man. In this day and age it is particularly needed.
The Priesthood makes the celibate life visible in a way that the religious can’t. That our Priests are called to the front lines of that battle with the religious seems fitting to me, and it would be a great loss I think if the celibate life drops out of sight for the world at large.
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mercygate
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You may be thinking of Fr. Ray Ryland - the first former Episcopal minister in the U.S. to be ordained to the Catholic priesthood under the Pastoral provision. More than 100 such men are now serving the U.S. Catholic Church. There are around 600 former Anglican ministers in England, some married, some not, who have been ordained as Catholic priests.
To my mind, as a former Protestant, the quibble against a celibate priesthood is a debate that simply cannot be won. There are pluses and minuses on both sides of the question but in the end, following in the footsteps of Our Lord simply trumps all else.
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