Why is the Pope not married?

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No, you assume wrong, I mean what I wrote.
So … your church bulletin doesn’t use Arabic numerals? You know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 … because they were invented by pagans. You use Hebraic numbers instead? For that matter, do you even use Base 10 mathematics, or do you avoid that, since pagan Greeks gave it to us?
 
So … your church bulletin doesn’t use Arabic numerals? You know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 … because they were invented by pagans. You use Hebraic numbers instead? For that matter, do you even use Base 10 mathematics, or do you avoid that, since pagan Greeks gave it to us?
nice try…but no. At any rate, as I state on a new thread, I will be taking my leave of you all for the time being. I wish you well and God bless.
 
So … your church bulletin doesn’t use Arabic numerals? You know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 … because they were invented by pagans. You use Hebraic numbers instead? For that matter, do you even use Base 10 mathematics, or do you avoid that, since pagan Greeks gave it to us?
:eek: Sheesh!
 
maybe this will help —

1 Corinthians 7:32-34

I would like you to be free from worry. An unmarried man concerns himself with the Lord’s work, because he is trying to please the Lord. But a married man concerns himself with wordly matters, because he wants to please his wife; and so he is pulled in two directions. An unmarried woman or a virgin concerns herself with the Lord’s work, because she wants to be dedicated both in body and spirit; but a married woman concerns herself with wordly matters, because she wants to please her husband.

It is much better that priests and bishops and the Pope, and even nuns are not married so that they can concentrate completely on doing the Lord’s work. If you read further on in this passage it states, " Instead, I want you to do what is right and proper, and to give yourselves completely to the Lord’s service without any reservation."

I’m not in any way saying that marriages are bad, but to a priest or Pope it would be a distraction from completely following and serving God.

I could also somewhat argue that you are wrong about the Pope not being married - that he is married — to the church!
Jesus is the bridegroom and the church is his bride in the same way that the Pope, the bishops, and priests are the bridegrooms and the church is the bride – if you’d like to look at it from that perspective!🙂
 
Based on your previous post, your knowledge of your own faith is questionable anyway. However, I am merely pointing out in my post that celibacy is not unique to the church. Your perception staggers my imagination. However, you would do well to research and see how much pagan influence actually is in some of the churches teachings.
Actually it is Christ’s Truth that enfluenced Pagan myth and symbols. It is Catholic Truth that pointed what was true in pagan myth towards it’s true object.
 
I think the real issue here is authority. Does the Church have the authority to require it’s Priests to be celibate? If so, nuff said.
 
Does the Church have the authority to require it’s (sic)Priests to be celibate?
Yes, it does. Disciplines may change if the Holy Spirit thinks it necessary, but they still require obedience.

All (men and women) are called to be ‘celibate’ until they marry, anyway. And all (men and women) are called to chastity, whether married or unmarried.
 
What about 1 Timothy 2?
Originally Posted by Hisalone
And the two shall become one flesh.
Cannot two do more work than one?
Shared ministries can be very powerfull

Originally Posted by dosdog
1 Timothy 2

Originally Posted by Hisalone
So you believe that two do not beocme one flesh?

Originally Posted by dosdog
I did not say anything about the Sacrament of Marriage - I said go read your bible

Originally Posted by Hisalone
1Tim2 does not preclude a shared ministry.
The proof is on you to demonstrate it does.

1 Timothy 2
11 Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence

Originally Posted by Hisalone
So what of womens ministry?
Childrens ministry?
What of family counsoling?
What of ministry of helps to homeless, rape victims,
battered women?
What of healingministry or prophesy?

Originally Posted by dosdog
You tell me - You took Peter’s Chair

Priests, Prophets and Kings
According to Lumen Gentium, the Church, in its twofold ministry toward its own members and toward those outside, shares in Jesus’ threefold office of Priest, Prophet and King, that is, it participates in Jesus’ ministry to sanctify, to teach and to govern (see 10-13). While bishops, priests and deacons exercise, within the Church, the ministries of sanctifying, teaching and governing through the power and authority bestowed upon them at their sacramental ordination, all Catholic lay men and women also share in this threefold ministry of Christ. Catholic lay men and women, by their baptismal and confirmational character, are empowered, in Christ through the Holy Spirit, to be priests, prophets and kings and so come to share in the Church’s ministry of sanctification, teaching and governing
wf-f.org/06-3CatholicLaity.html

BISHOP LAURENCE RYAN - As a theologian and bishop he was tireless in encouraging lay people to fully participate in the life of the church and to exercise in full their baptismal vocation as priest prophet and king
catholiccommunications.ie/Pressrel/16-october-2003.html
 
thecoachQuote:
Originally Posted by Gamera forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
He’s right, celibacy isn’t a requirement to be a priest in the Catholic Church. It’s only a requirement in one part of the Catholic Church: the Latin rite.Since this was about the RCC, I assume that means the Latin Rite, therefore it is required. Since only the Latin rite of the Catholic Church requires celibacy, anybody is free to join a different rite of the Catholic Church and still become a married priest.or another church, I dont see the logic of the statement. The Latin Rite under the Pope does require celibacy.

The Church does not force anybody to become a priest. Therefore, the Church does not force anybody to vow celibacy.

circular reasoning, sicne the discussion is about celibacy and the priesthood
circular reasoning, sicne the discussion is about celibacy and the priesthood
Ummmm…Hello!
The other 21 rites of the Catholic Church are under the authority of the pope just as much as the Latin rite is.
They are all Catholic, Coach…:rolleyes: something you’d know if you’d read something a little more reliable than Jack Chick & Co.
Sheesh.🤷
 
Celibacy according to tradition
Living a celibate life within marriage was not unknown in Jewish tradition. It was told that Moses, who was married, remained continent the rest of his life after the command to abstain from sexual intercourse (Ex 19:15) given in preparation the seventy elders abstained thereafter from their wives after their call, and so did Eldad and Medad when the spirit of prophecy came upon them; indeed it was said that the prophets became celibate after the Word of the Lord communicated with them (Midrash Exodus Rabbah 19; 46.3; Sifre to Numbers 99 sect. 11; Sifre Zutta 81-82, 203-204; Aboth Rabbi Nathan 9, 39; Tanchuman 111, 46; Tanchumah Zaw 13; 3 Petirot Moshe 72; Shabbath 87a; Pesachim 87b, Babylonian Talmud).

Elijah and Elisha were celibate all their lives (Zohar Hadash 2:1; Midrash Mishlei 30, 105, Pirke Rabbi Eliezer 33). When for the sake of the Torah (i.e., intense study in it), a rabbi would abstain from relations with his wife, it was deemed permissible, for he was then cohabiting with the Shekinah (the “Divine Presence”) in the Torah (Zohar re Gn 1:27; 13:3 and Psalm 85:14 in the Discourse of Rabbi Phineas to Rabbis Jose, Judah, and Hiya).

“if a person cleaves to the study of the Torah (i.e., dedicates all his time to it) like Simeon ben Azzai, his refusal to marry can be condoned” (Skulkhan Arukh EH 1:4). Rabbinic scholar Simeon ben Azzai (early second century A.D.) was extraordinary in his learning: “with the passing of Ben Azzai diligent scholars passed from the earth” (Sotah 9:15). He never married and was celibate all his life so as not to be distracted from his studies, and because he considered the Torah his wife, for who he always yearned with all his soul (Yebamoth 63b). He was an outstanding scholar (Kiddushin 20a, B.T.) and also renowned for his saintliness (Berakoth 57b, B.T.).

Other celibates
Jewish tradition also mentions the celibate Zenu’im (lit. “chaste ones”) to whom the secret of the Name of God was entrusted, for they were able to preserve the Holy Name in “perfect purity” (Kiddushin 71a; Midash Ecclesiastes Rabbah 3:11; Yer. yoma 39a, 40a).

Those in hope of a divine revelation consequently refrained from sexual intercourse and were strict in matters of purity (Enoch 83:2; Revelation 14:2-5).
cin.org/users/james/files/talmud.htm

The Trullan Synod (692 A.D.), also known as the Quinisext, determined that bishops should not be married, but marriage was permitted for deacons and priests before ordination. No marriage was allowed after ordination. A priest or a deacon could not renounce his wife on the pretense of piety, but sexual relations were prohibited prior to celebrating the liturgy, which usually meant the Sunday observance
byzantines.net/epiphany/ordination.htm

Historians have long pointed to the Essenes as the forerunner to the Christians. It is known that early Christians took much from the Essenes they withdrew themselves to the desert to live in enclaves which might be called communes but which bear a significant resemblance to later monasteries. Essenes did not marry; they shared property in common; they ate all meals together; and they lived a strictly regulated life of study and prayer; and they held themselves to a higher standard of virtue than others outside their community

John the Baptist seems to have belonged to the Essenes
academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/hi…esu/topic2.htm
jewishencyclopedia.com/vi…er=E&artid=478

Celibacy of the Clergy
Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for orders are solemnly warned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:

You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawful to turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastity and to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.

By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege.
newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm
 
Celibacy according to tradition
Living a celibate life within marriage was not unknown in Jewish tradition. It was told that Moses, who was married, remained continent the rest of his life after the command to abstain from sexual intercourse (Ex 19:15) given in preparation the seventy elders abstained thereafter from their wives after their call, and so did Eldad and Medad when the spirit of prophecy came upon them; indeed it was said that the prophets became celibate after the Word of the Lord communicated with them (Midrash Exodus Rabbah 19; 46.3; Sifre to Numbers 99 sect. 11; Sifre Zutta 81-82, 203-204; Aboth Rabbi Nathan 9, 39; Tanchuman 111, 46; Tanchumah Zaw 13; 3 Petirot Moshe 72; Shabbath 87a; Pesachim 87b, Babylonian Talmud).

Elijah and Elisha were celibate all their lives (Zohar Hadash 2:1; Midrash Mishlei 30, 105, Pirke Rabbi Eliezer 33). When for the sake of the Torah (i.e., intense study in it), a rabbi would abstain from relations with his wife, it was deemed permissible, for he was then cohabiting with the Shekinah (the “Divine Presence”) in the Torah (Zohar re Gn 1:27; 13:3 and Psalm 85:14 in the Discourse of Rabbi Phineas to Rabbis Jose, Judah, and Hiya).

“if a person cleaves to the study of the Torah (i.e., dedicates all his time to it) like Simeon ben Azzai, his refusal to marry can be condoned” (Skulkhan Arukh EH 1:4). Rabbinic scholar Simeon ben Azzai (early second century A.D.) was extraordinary in his learning: “with the passing of Ben Azzai diligent scholars passed from the earth” (Sotah 9:15). He never married and was celibate all his life so as not to be distracted from his studies, and because he considered the Torah his wife, for who he always yearned with all his soul (Yebamoth 63b). He was an outstanding scholar (Kiddushin 20a, B.T.) and also renowned for his saintliness (Berakoth 57b, B.T.).

Other celibates
Jewish tradition also mentions the celibate Zenu’im (lit. “chaste ones”) to whom the secret of the Name of God was entrusted, for they were able to preserve the Holy Name in “perfect purity” (Kiddushin 71a; Midash Ecclesiastes Rabbah 3:11; Yer. yoma 39a, 40a).

Those in hope of a divine revelation consequently refrained from sexual intercourse and were strict in matters of purity (Enoch 83:2; Revelation 14:2-5).
cin.org/users/james/files/talmud.htm

The Trullan Synod (692 A.D.), also known as the Quinisext, determined that bishops should not be married, but marriage was permitted for deacons and priests before ordination. No marriage was allowed after ordination. A priest or a deacon could not renounce his wife on the pretense of piety, but sexual relations were prohibited prior to celebrating the liturgy, which usually meant the Sunday observance
byzantines.net/epiphany/ordination.htm

Historians have long pointed to the Essenes as the forerunner to the Christians. It is known that early Christians took much from the Essenes they withdrew themselves to the desert to live in enclaves which might be called communes but which bear a significant resemblance to later monasteries. Essenes did not marry; they shared property in common; they ate all meals together; and they lived a strictly regulated life of study and prayer; and they held themselves to a higher standard of virtue than others outside their community

John the Baptist seems to have belonged to the Essenes
academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/hi…esu/topic2.htm
jewishencyclopedia.com/vi…er=E&artid=478

Celibacy of the Clergy
Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for orders are solemnly warned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:

You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawful to turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastity and to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.

By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege.
newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm
Traditions of men
 
How does one distinguish between tradition that originates from men and tradition that originates from God?
If it started from the beginning by the Church founded by Jesus = tradition of man.
If it started as early as the 1600’s through today by any group other then that Church founded by Jesus…well that is not tradition of man. 🤷
 
Because he’s probably too old, and if he had children they’d have to call him Father, now that wouldn’t do would it ? 😉

Awww get over it, I’m just messing here.
 
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