Why is the quran so hard to translate?

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I know this subject has been gone over a LOT of times, but i still dont understand why Allah would only have the quran in one language?
There is more than 200+ languages on this planet, and yet, the book he ‘revealed’ only comes in one language. I also have an understanding that it is only truly ‘understandable’ in arabic and loses its ‘translation’ when converted to other languages.
Why is this so? Can anyone shine some light on this for me please?
Thank you
 
I know this subject has been gone over a LOT of times, but i still dont understand why Allah would only have the quran in one language?
There is more than 200+ languages on this planet, and yet, the book he ‘revealed’ only comes in one language. I also have an understanding that it is only truly ‘understandable’ in arabic and loses its ‘translation’ when converted to other languages.
Why is this so? Can anyone shine some light on this for me please?
Thank you
The simple reason is that Islam is a mostly false religion. Sure, they get *some *things right but I personally don’t doubt that the devil was/is involved in keeping Muslims deceived.
 
Arabic is an incredibly ambiguous language. Once you translate it into another language you have already reduced its potential meaning to a single interpretation, that of the translator, whereas in the Arabic it can have multiple interpretations.

Hebrew and Greek are very different. Hebrew is very black and white and doesn’t present shades of grey very well, in other words the perfect vehicle for God’s revelation to a people who needed things spelled out clearly in simple terms. Greek is a very precise language which can express concepts in very clear terms. It is also incredibly rich, having about four times the vocabulary of Latin.

The above is of course my view of the languages in a nutshell. If there are any linguists here I’m sure they could give a much better explanation.

John
 
The Qur’an itself gives the answer to your question.

041:044
Had We sent this as a Qur’an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: “Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?” Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"

006:035
And if their turning away is hard on you, then if you can seek an opening (to go down) into the earth or a ladder (to ascend up) to heaven so that you should bring them a sign and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have gathered them all on guidance, therefore be not of the ignorant

In other words, it really does not matter what signs are shown to them, those who choose not to believe will NEVER be satisfied by the truth of the Qur’an.

Correct guidance is only given to those who have Taqwa i.e. God-consciousness and fear of Allah and sincerely seek His guidance.
 
Ah, but your English translation above is but one interpretation of the texts. It could be understood in different ways to the meaning you have given above.

John
 
I know this subject has been gone over a LOT of times, but i still dont understand why Allah would only have the quran in one language?
There is more than 200+ languages on this planet, and yet, the book he ‘revealed’ only comes in one language. I also have an understanding that it is only truly ‘understandable’ in arabic and loses its ‘translation’ when converted to other languages.
Why is this so? Can anyone shine some light on this for me please?
Thank you
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The simple reason is that Islam is a mostly false religion. Sure, they get *some *things right but I personally don’t doubt that the devil was/is involved in keeping Muslims deceived.
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Arabic is an incredibly ambiguous language. Once you translate it into another language you have already reduced its potential meaning to a single interpretation, that of the translator, whereas in the Arabic it can have multiple interpretations.
On the contrary, Arabic is incredibly accurate and there is no such thing as synonyms in the language and this is especially so in the Qur’an where each word used has a distinct meaning.

Here is a short illustration of the inimitable eloquence of the Qur’an that makes it really quite impossible to accurately translate into another language:

An Example of Eloquence in the Qur’an: The Preposition ‘of’ in Verse 42:43

Source: “The Miracles of the Qur’an” Shaykh M Mitwalli Al-Sharawi.

The language of the Qur’an is unsurpassed in its accuracy of meaning and expression. Each letter and word has its place while the language is free from fault. These unique features are found manifested in the use of one single letter or a preposition, as is demonstrated in the following verses:

**Ya bunayya aqimi alssalata wa/mur bialmaAAroofi wainha AAani almunkari waisbir AAala ma asabaka inna thalika min AAazmi al-omoori

“…and bear patiently that which befalls you; surely these acts require courage; ”… (Qur’an 31:17)**

Walaman sabara waghafara inna thalika lamin AAazmi al-omoori

“And verily whoso is patient and forgiveth - lo! that, verily is (of) the steadfast heart of things.”… (Qur’an 42:43)

In the second verse the preposition “of” (LAMIN) may pass unnoticed or be taken as an emphatic synonym. But this is not so, because every letter or word in the language of the Qur’an is selected with the utmost care to convey one intrinsic meaning and definite purpose.

There is no such thing as synonymity in the Qur’an. Each letter and word has its own fixed meaning which no other word can express as accurately, irrespective of their seeming similarity. If we consider thoughtfully the meticulous selectivity of the words in the above verses and their underlying meaning, we soon come to realize that there are two kinds of patience.

In the first kind there is no direct adversary or person responsible for hardship or misfortune; for example a brick falling from a building under construction onto the head of an unsuspecting pedestrian, or the collapse of a newly-built house over peacefully sleeping tenants. In all incidents and mishaps of this nature no individual bears the responsibility for the victim’s misfortune. It is therefore easy for the unfortunate man to restrain his anger and accept his misfortune as an act of Allah. This kind of patience does not require a great deal of energy and can be easily achieved.

But patience which is “verily of the steadfast heart of things“ is that which involves an antagonist against whom a victim has the freedom to retaliate and avenge himself, but prefers to suppress his anger and vengeful tendencies and forgive him. This kind of patience is deemed by Allah to be worthier than the first, because in this kind the aggrieved is dominated by his instinctive anger and feelings of injustice, and has to exercise a great deal of self-restraint. He is restrained by his fear of Allah, and refrains from responding to evil with evil. In the above verses, Allah defines the merits of the two types of patience and their corresponding heavenly rewards. He also describes the human responses of retaliation that ought to be observed in each case by the faithful.

Thus, in the first case they are commanded to accept what befalls them with humility and resignation to His will. In the second they are commanded to be forgiving and to maintain their faith in Allah’s justice.

The preposition ‘of’ has obviously been used to accentuate the distinction between the kind of patience in which forgiveness is not a necessity, and that in which forgiveness represents a test of endurance of injustice and of the believer’s trust in Allah’s providence and will. This shows how a single letter or preposition can bear such depth of meaning and discriminating power in the language of the Qur’an.

The above example clearly demonstrates just how very difficult it is to accurately translate even one short verse of the Qur’an involving the use of just a single preposition ‘of’ within it, such is the supreme eloquence of the language used in the Qur’an.

Therefore, as we can all imagine, it is simply not possible to translate the over 6,000 verses of the entire Qur’an into another language without losing much of the accuracy of their true meaning.
 
dolphinlove;:
i still don’t understand why Allah would only have the quran in one language?
Islam was created for the sole purpose of political control. The easiest way to ensure that groupthink occurs, is to prohibit all languages but one.
There is more than 200+ languages on this planet,
SIL claims that there are 6 912 living languages. At least half are considered to be “endangered languages”.

As far translations of the Bible go, take a look at
biblesociety.org/latestnews/latest390-slr2006stats.html
[Deuterocanonical material in 123 languages. Protestant Bible in 429. New Testament in 1,144 languages.]
Why is this so? Can anyone shine some light on this for me please?
When the commoner can read the sacred texts, the political powers lose their control of the people.

Islam is pointless without political power and control.

xan

jonathon
 
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In other words, it really does not matter what signs are shown to them, those who choose not to believe will NEVER be satisfied by the truth of the Qur’an.

Correct guidance is only given to those who have Taqwa i.e. God-consciousness and fear of Allah and sincerely seek His guidance.**

**I did, and He told me that every word in the Koran is a lie, including “a”, “and”, and “the.”

I confess there is no God but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate!**
 
There does seem to be a valid question as to why God would choose to put the Koran in a language that does not translate well if the entire world was to learn it. I know that we loose something from the Greek and Hebrew in the Bible, and there is always the issue of culture. It just seems like the Koran looses way more when you take it from Arabic and out of the Arabian culture. The message is the same in the Bible no matter the language. With the Koran, I cannot say.
 
I know this subject has been gone over a LOT of times, but i still dont understand why Allah would only have the quran in one language?
There is more than 200+ languages on this planet, and yet, the book he ‘revealed’ only comes in one language. I also have an understanding that it is only truly ‘understandable’ in arabic and loses its ‘translation’ when converted to other languages.
Why is this so? Can anyone shine some light on this for me please?
Thank you
The “orthodox muslim” response to this question is that the Koran more closely resembles the Christian concept of Christ as the incarnation of God made manifest in a physical way. They do not see it as a “set of scriptures” but the very “incarnation of the word of Allah” which was dictated making every word divinely perfect.

You will note that in translations of the Koran are actually called “interpretations” because they believe that every word and Arabic nuance is intended by Allah and translating it would be impossible as it is utterly impossible to render text into translation with 100% accuracy.
There does seem to be a valid question as to why God would choose to put the Koran in a language that does not translate well if the entire world was to learn it. I know that we loose something from the Greek and Hebrew in the Bible, and there is always the issue of culture. It just seems like the Koran looses way more when you take it from Arabic and out of the Arabian culture. The message is the same in the Bible no matter the language. With the Koran, I cannot say.
Understand this concept of Koranic Arabic being perfect and the Koran impossible to truly translate is a big reason why Arabic is spoken as a first or second language in all regions where Islam spread.

It is utterly impossible to become a noted and respected Islamic scholar without mastery of Koranic Arabic. Serious converts are expected to make some effort to either learn rudimentary Arabic or at least memorize prayers and surrahs in Arabic.
 
The “orthodox muslim” response to this question is that the Koran more closely resembles the Christian concept of Christ as the incarnation of God made manifest in a physical way. They do not see it as a “set of scriptures” but the very “incarnation of the word of Allah” which was dictated making every word divinely perfect.

You will note that in translations of the Koran are actually called “interpretations” because they believe that every word and Arabic nuance is intended by Allah and translating it would be impossible as it is utterly impossible to render text into translation with 100% accuracy.

Understand this concept of Koranic Arabic being perfect and the Koran impossible to truly translate is a big reason why Arabic is spoken as a first or second language in all regions where Islam spread.

It is utterly impossible to become a noted and respected Islamic scholar without mastery of Koranic Arabic. Serious converts are expected to make some effort to either learn rudimentary Arabic or at least memorize prayers and surrahs in Arabic.
SO why would God do this? What would be the rational in doing this?
 
SIL claims that there are 6 912 living languages. At least half are considered to be “endangered languages”.

As far translations of the Bible go, take a look at
biblesociety.org/latestnews/latest390-slr2006stats.html
[Deuterocanonical material in 123 languages. Protestant Bible in 429. New Testament in 1,144 languages.]
I understand your point and enthusiasm, but you need to understand that translation of the Bible into some languages is exceedingly difficult as some languages and cultures simply do NOT have comparable words or a words with sufficient depth of meaning to translate some things all that accurately.

I recall the example of a Protestant translation society that was befuddled as to how to translate the texts of Genisis dealing with Noah and the Flood when dealing with a culture that did not have experience - and therefore did not have a word - for boats, let alone large ones that could hold people. The crude translation ended up calling the Ark a “giant water box”…
 
I know this subject has been gone over a LOT of times, but i still dont understand why Allah would only have the quran in one language?
The Qur’an was revealed to an Arab. What other language should it be in? :confused:

God says:
We know indeed that they say, “It is a man that teaches him.” The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.

A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand;-
We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).
Verily, We have made this (Qur’an) easy, in thy tongue, in order that they may give heed.
There is (are) more than 200+ languages on this planet, and yet, the book he ‘revealed’ only comes in one language.
Other books Muslims believe in are the scrolls of Abraham (no clue what language), the Torah (Hebrew), the Psalms (Hebrew), and the Gospel (Aramaic.)
I also have an understanding that it is only truly ‘understandable’ in arabic and loses its ‘translation’ when converted to other languages.Why is this so? Can anyone shine some light on this for me please? Thank you
The Qur’an has been translated to all the major spoken languages of the world. It certainly is ‘understandable’ in other languages. But it is slightly different. The word means “recitation.” You can’t translate an opera–the beauty and meaning is tied to the language. So even though you can write the words in another language, you can’t sing it the same way, and it won’t mean the same thing as it did in the opera, in the original language.

When a book is translated, some of the meaning is lost, the beauty of the phrasing is lost. The first verse of the Qur’an is typically translated as “All praise is for Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.” But it’s weak as a translation. In Arabic, it is al7amdulillaahi rabbil 3alameen, three words. Alhamdulillah–not just all praise but all gratitude, glory, thanks, etc, is only for Allah. Rabb–translated as “Lord” it has many meanings which put Allah as the person with authority, the one in charge, the one who is ruling, the one to whom we are subjected, and 3alameen which can be worlds (plural) but that can mean tribes, nations, systems (i.e., body, ecological, etc) realms, planets, universes (plural!). And this is all inherent in the Arabic language. So you can translate it… but it’s just not so magnificent.

The Qur’an,Muslims believe, is VERBATIM the word of God. If God chose the words, how can the words of man EVER do them justice?
 
While previous Prophets (pbut) were sent to bring the Message of the Lord only to their own people, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the Final Messenger was sent as a Mercy to ALL of humankind and the Qur’an is the Last Testament which Allah has promised to preserve till the Day when the world comes to an end.

In other words, the Qur’an is meant for ALL of humankind, not just for Arabs and not even just for Muslims.
 
There does seem to be a valid question as to why God would choose to put the Koran in a language that does not translate well if the entire world was to learn it. I know that we loose something from the Greek and Hebrew in the Bible, and there is always the issue of culture. It just seems like the Koran looses way more when you take it from Arabic and out of the Arabian culture. The message is the same in the Bible no matter the language. With the Koran, I cannot say.
The Qur’an is in Arabic, because it was revealed to an Arab. What sense would it make to reveal the Torah in English? A book is revealed in the language of the people.

Greek is much similar to English. While Hebrew is more similar to Arabic. (Jewish scholars have even admitted to using Arabic dictionaries! because there were no Hebrew ones). The Arabic in the Qur’an however is just very subtle, very nuanced, and at the same time very powerful, using constructs which simply do not exist in Indo-European languages.

The problem is that if a person (a mortal, who can make mistakes) translates the Qur’an a certain way, the connotation of a word might be slightly different than in Arabic. And subhanallah, there are sects which have been created based on a misunderstanding of a single verse!!! So the problem is that when God has chosen the words, nothing that a human uses will ever match that perfection.
 
Islam was created for the sole purpose of political control. The easiest way to ensure that groupthink occurs, is to prohibit all languages but one.
You were created for the sole purpose of worshiping God. 🙂

Muslims speak MANY languages. Less than 20% are Arab! Islam does not prohibit any language, does not prohibit translation. It just happens that God revealed the Qur’an in Arabic and the original is Arabic… no translation will ever be equivalent, because it will be the work of men, not God.
When the commoner can read the sacred texts, the political powers lose their control of the people.
Aye. Which is why lay Christians were not allowed to read the Bible until they had learned Latin. 😃 While the Qur’an has been translated into many languages.
Islam is pointless without political power and control.
You are pointless without submitting to God.
 
The Qur’an was revealed to an Arab. What other language should it be in? :confused:
How about the language of the people?
God says:
We know indeed that they say, “It is a man that teaches him.” The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.
Sounds pretty racist to me. And what is it that you say later in your post?
A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand;-
We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).
Verily, We have made this (Qur’an) easy, in thy tongue, in order that they may give heed.
Riiight.
Other books Muslims believe in are the scrolls of Abraham (no clue what language), the Torah (Hebrew), the Psalms (Hebrew), and the Gospel (Aramaic.)
The Gospels were written in Greek, never Aramaic. Aramaic copies and forgeries came later.
The Qur’an has been translated to all the major spoken languages of the world. It certainly is ‘understandable’ in other languages. But it is slightly different. The word means “recitation.” You can’t translate an opera–the beauty and meaning is tied to the language. So even though you can write the words in another language, you can’t sing it the same way, and it won’t mean the same thing as it did in the opera, in the original language.
When a book is translated, some of the meaning is lost, the beauty of the phrasing is lost. The first verse of the Qur’an is typically translated as “All praise is for Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.” But it’s weak as a translation. In Arabic, it is al7amdulillaahi rabbil 3alameen, three words. Alhamdulillah–not just all praise but all gratitude, glory, thanks, etc, is only for Allah. Rabb–translated as “Lord” it has many meanings which put Allah as the person with authority, the one in charge, the one who is ruling, the one to whom we are subjected, and 3alameen which can be worlds (plural) but that can mean tribes, nations, systems (i.e., body, ecological, etc) realms, planets, universes (plural!). And this is all inherent in the Arabic language. So you can translate it… but it’s just not so magnificent.
The Qur’an,Muslims believe, is VERBATIM the word of God. If God chose the words, how can the words of man EVER do them justice?
It is not possible to disagree when someone says a translation is not as good as the original. That is factual statement as the author can use the nuances of their native language to help convey many levels of meaning. Think about the many discussion about the Holy Bible. Imagine Shakespear translated into German (which I am sure has been done).

However, I find the first part of you post contradicts the later part of your post. First you say foreign tongues are wicked (or rather you quote from the Koran) and then you say it has been translated and is understandable. Which is it?

And no, I am not picking on you because you are a Muslim. I am pointing out logical inconsistencies with your statements which I would like to see you address.
 
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