Why Is the "sign of peace",during mass,turning into a prolonged party?

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I_Believe said:
I agree with all you say here. I wasn’t referring to the post he was repliying to, which was yours.

I’ve read posts on at least 3 other forums from those who say they don’t post here anymore. Not because they feel they have been run off, but because of the impossibility of having a civil discussion here on the TC forum.

What bothers me most is that first time visitors to the CA forums see this stuff. I’d be willing to bet that if this sub-fora was closed, we’d see an increase in new registrations.

Or perhaps the Mods could identify the problem topics and ban them for good.
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There is plenty of vitriol on the political topics, too.

This is stuff that moves people. That can be a difficult thing, but it truly is a gift to the Church. There needs to be a little room for things to occasionally overheat and cool down. If some of us need a bit of a vacation from it, then that is OK, too. That doesn’t mean it is all bad. Besides, it’s on the new side. It will simmer down. The zeal will remain, but people will learn to use the brakes a little more.
 
ethelzguy said:
Ah, but there’s the rub. It seems that no matter the topic, the traditionalist crowd always seems to move the discussion to the same ol’ same ol’…“the Church has gone to hades in a handbasket since Vatican II”…choose your subtopic…communion, language, communion rails, or handshakes at peace-time.

Or more recently, “Pope so-and-so is/was a LIBERAL”…

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Ok, Yes, I’m guilty of this. I ranted a bit on the NO in this very thread. Many threads have been hijacked and taken off topic. By both sides.

Many here have expressed concern over this bickering the last few days on various threads. I agree with them. I just pm’d our mod tonight asking that a thread I started to be locked because of the childish behavior displayed by both sides, myself included.

So what is the answer ? Look at the twenty most recent threads started. The only ones that get any play to speak of are the divisive ones. You are right, it’s all rehash. Folks are arguing and beating the same dead horses over and over. Why ?

It needs to stop, but neither side will let it. Joe the trad whispers “red”, and Jim the trad hater screams "NO, BLUE ! " Joe then hates Jim and screams louder “Red !”

I’m beginning to think none of us on either side know the Cardinal Virtues or The Seven Deadly Sins and their Contrary Virtues. Not to mention the Twelve Fruits of the Holy Ghost. At least the majority of us don’t. All of these would fit the description under the heading Traditional Catholicism. “Forum for discussion of traditional Roman Catholic spirituality”

Tell you what, let’s start a thread to discuss one of these topics and see if we can all come together for once. Are we up for it ?
 
Freshman88 said:
It’s really hard to make an EF community when so many of the parisohners have to travel so far.

In any case, it is the duty of the pastor to create a vibrant community, not the kiss of peace.
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Actually you are wrong.

It’s everyone’s responsibility – from the pastor to every last one of the lay faithful! To suggest the kiss of peace is not part of that is simply laughable.
 
peregrinus_WA said:
That is your opinion.

Most, if not all, that go to the parish because they want to, not because it is close. For example, my commute to the parish is 20-24 miles each way based on which way I go.
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No, it’s not. It’s sad.

Then again maybe he feels he cannot control the kiss of peace and that it will spin out of control in your parish.

Why else would a celebrant omit it?
 
My “intention”(road to hell)was not to start derision on this thread.
I just wanted to know was this something new I should know about.(Coming from an Irish Catholic background,I 'm not “touchy-
feely”,and it just caused me some slight anxiety.)
I have learned a good deal from ALL the replies.I will be considerately more patient during our mass keeping in mind all
that has been suggested here"Peace to all of you my brothers and sisters!"
Ellen
 
Militant_Ellen said:
I’m significantly ignorant,and my anamnesia,is perplexed.I
think I may have a predisposing "sour puss"out look but I’m trying to understand.Thanks!
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I’m very new to the faith (baptized, confirmed and first Holy Communion 4/13/08). I obviously don’t have any perspective as to the way things use to be. As a new Catholic, I was amazed at how people would come up during the sign of peace and shake my hand, welcome me to the faith, give me a hug, call me “brother”. It gave me a sense of belonging and love that I certainly never felt in any Protestant church before. I can see where people who have been in The Church their whole life and seen many changes might see it as turning into something less dignified, but personally I don’t see how welcoming and expressing our love for our bretheren and sisters can ever be a bad thing.
 
With respect to the OP, there is a very simple solution to the problem… attend the EF! 👍 Problem solved!
 
SJP said:
With respect to the OP, there is a very simple solution to the problem… attend the EF! 👍 Problem solved!
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Sometimes, the EF sounds like a lot of parties, each with one attendee. That still misses the point, just in the other direction.
SJP said:
Outside of the Mass… no problem. Inside the Mass… I’d rather concentrate on our Lord.
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What was his commandment? Love one another. That is how Christ has commanded us to witness his love in the world. How does this imply that we are to studiously ignore each other at Mass?

During the sign of peace, you concentrate not on me, but on Christ within me. Our lives are made a holy offering only by having been buried in his death and Resurrection, and our lives must be one offering in his, not many, for there is only one acceptable offering on the altar of Heaven.

At Holy Communion, we become what we receive, and thus as Mass ends, we are sent out as one: that is, as the Body of Christ. Even with the addition of the sign of peace, that point is lost on many, EF and OF both.
 
I must say, I do appreciate the fact that the Sign of Peace makes me be at peace with my brothers before I partake in the Eucharist. You know you have to let any and all hard feelings go during the Sign of Peace. It gives forgiveness and brotherly love a concrete form, as it were.
 
consumedconvert said:
I must say, I do appreciate the fact that the Sign of Peace makes me be at peace with my brothers before I partake in the Eucharist. You know you have to let any and all hard feelings go during the Sign of Peace. It gives forgiveness and brotherly love a concrete form, as it were.
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Yes, I’ve always seen it as “making peace with your neighbor” prior to receiving the Eucharist as well.

Seems we’re told to do that somewhere is scripture? 🤷
 
Militant_Ellen said:
I’m significantly ignorant,and my anamnesia,is perplexed.I
think I may have a predisposing "sour puss"out look but I’m trying to understand.Thanks!
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Thanks for that question. I feel the same. I thought “Sign of Peace” was symbolic - to someone on either side. I also think that it should be taught/stressed - that beyond symbolism, it must be genuine. We’re not supposed to go to the altar rail (Holy Communion) if we have a grievance with someone, so I would think this symbol of peace is part of that. What gets me is in cases where the priest sometimes comes down to the pews and shakes parishioners’ hands - hasn’t he just washed his hands/fingertips to handle the Host?
(Maybe I’m being picky here. — so what else is new?)
 
SJP said:
Outside of the Mass… no problem. Inside the Mass… I’d rather concentrate on our Lord.
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The Mass is public worship. All of us comprise the Church which is the Mystical Body of Christ on Earth. We are part of the communion of saints – the Church militant. We are not Protestant – the Mass is NOT “just Jesus and me!”

How in the heck could turning to someone in the pews take your mind off of Jesus anyways?

I confess to almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault,
 
Conservative said:
Thanks for that question. I feel the same. I thought “Sign of Peace” was symbolic - to someone on either side. I also think that it should be taught/stressed - that beyond symbolism, it must be genuine. We’re not supposed to go to the altar rail (Holy Communion) if we have a grievance with someone, so I would think this symbol of peace is part of that. What gets me is in cases where the priest sometimes comes down to the pews and shakes parishioners’ hands - **hasn’t he just washed his hands/fingertips to handle the Host? **
(Maybe I’m being picky here. — so what else is new?)
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The lavabo is largely ceremonial – it’s importance is not primarily sanitation anymore…

In any event the priest will shake hands with other priests, deacons and servers anyways who have not washed their hands. How is that different?
 
SJP said:
With respect to the OP, there is a very simple solution to the problem… attend the EF! 👍 Problem solved!
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The Kiss of Peace and the far great Bible readings are two of the things I find most superior of the OF compared to the EF…
 
Spiller said:
The Mass is public worship. All of us comprise the Church which is the Mystical Body of Christ on Earth. We are part of the communion of saints – the Church militant. We are not Protestant – the Mass is NOT “just Jesus and me!”

How in the heck could turning to someone in the pews take your mind off of Jesus anyways?

I confess to almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault,
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If that is what people normally did, it shouldn’t. However when you turn it into a five minute meet and greet with groups forming to chat for a minute and young men roaming up and down the aisles looking for cute girls to greet it most certainly does.
 
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