Why Is the "sign of peace",during mass,turning into a prolonged party?

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Well since I was around for a significant period of those years, pre Vatican II and all, I can tell you honestly, at least at the Masses I served at, the only Masses that came close to twenty to twenty five minutes were daily low Masses with no sermon and no one receiving Communion. I served at a lot of Masses, so when people bring up this flat out fiction about speed masses and everything else, it makes mu blood boil. Sorry.

It might interest you to know that that old lie, speed Masses, has been around since the days of Martin Luther and his trip to Rome. He, old Martin, said that the priests used to compete to see how many Masses they could say in a day, getting stipends for each Mass you know to see who could rake in the most money. There was also something alluded to that the priests would then retire to Clerics only brothels, although I’ve never been able to find that particular reference, the brothel, that is in any of his writings.

And no, to the best of my knowledge, brevity was no more highly prized then than it is now. And believe me, there are plenty of 20-25 minute Paulines being celebrated these days…
And glad I am of it, too. Otherwise I would never have the option to attend morning mass. Ours is more, I think, like 25-35 minutes, depending on attendence and if we have a homily.

I think it’s easily forgotten that there’s often very good reason for short masses, particularly daily masses, not the least of which is to allow working people to attend before their daily grind.

That would apply pre and post Vatican II.

CC
 
And glad I am of it, too. Otherwise I would never have the option to attend morning mass. Ours is more, I think, like 25-35 minutes, depending on attendence and if we have a homily.

I think it’s easily forgotten that there’s often very good reason for short masses, particularly daily masses, not the least of which is to allow working people to attend before their daily grind.

That would apply pre and post Vatican II.

CC
Same here. Our daily 7am Mass is about 30 minutes and it’s done well. 28 if the aforementioned priest is the celebrant.

For some reason the tridentiners really get upset with recalling the days of whizzing through the “tlm.”
 
So you would agree that the pre-conciliar Church was as he said, a whiz Church?
As I have stated prior, elsewhere…I DO feel that the current push for the TLM has “romanticized” it to a great deal.

Yes, I do feel that the pre-Vatican II church was somewhat robotic in nature. The traditionalist crowd only wants to remember the pious, reverent bits of “the life” back then. But, they forget the speed-robotic aspects of it in the meantime.
 
Could be… No one knew what was going on up there anyways. The priest turned his back to us and mumbled in a foreign language…
No one knew what was going on? I suppose all of those wonderful Saints were just day dreaming during Mass. But hey, people in the 1960’s knew better than all of those outdated Catholic Saints right?👍
 
The Mass without communion rails, sign of peace, etc. is not centered on us, the laity. It is centered on Jesus Christ our high priest with the rest of us, whether clergy, religious, or laity gathered in community(read unity) around and with him who we worship.

Of course we each have our role to play in that worship, most of us are lay people, at least one is an ordained priest, and so forth. I personally have nothing against communion rails, receiving on the tongue, etc. but the point still is that the Holy Mass is still a communal celebration of a sacrifice in which we eat of that who is sacrificed. While it is true a lay presence is not absolutely required, our presence there impacts every single one of us gathered around the Lord present both in Word and in Sacrament at that celebration as well as those who join us around the world in offering that same single sacrifice.

I cannot imagine that Jesus who touched and healed lepers, asked that children be allowed to approach him, who ate with sinners and the unclean, washed the filthy feet of his disciples would require a barrier between us. 🙂
Wouldn’t this Mass fit that description?
 
Actually you are wrong.

It’s everyone’s responsibility – from the pastor to every last one of the lay faithful! To suggest the kiss of peace is not part of that is simply laughable.
Actually the kiss of peace is a part of the Tridentine Mass, albeit more symbolic than the NO. It’s just that it doesn’t become the prime focus of the post-canon liturgy. And it certainly isn’t the time to meet that nice chick you’ve had your eye on all Mass long.🙂
The Kiss of Peace and the far great Bible readings are two of the things I find most superior of the OF compared to the EF…
Be patient. I have a feeling we may be getting those in the EF pretty soon. And then what will you complain about? 🙂
 
The Communion Rite

Just to review how the Sign of Peace fits so well within the context of the Communion Rite, when we prepare for our intimate union with Christ during the sacrificial banquet.

The Communion Rite begins with our recitation of the Lord’s Prayer, which signifies our unity as God’s people.

The celebrant then prays
Deliver us, Lord, from evil, and grant us peace in our day. In your mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ.

We then recite the doxology, the prayer of glory, together:
For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and forever.

Before the ritual of the sign of peace, the celebrant prays
Lord Jesus Christ, you said to your apostles:
I leave you peace, my peace I give you.
Look not on our sins, but on the faith of yoru Church,
and grant us the peace and unity of your knigdom
where you live forever and ever.

We proclaim Amen.

The celebrant says: The peace of the Lord be with you always.
We respond: And also with you.
The celebrant says: Let us offer each other the sign of peace.

This ritual action, which is to be offered in a sober manner (no party), signifies peace, unity, communion, and charity that we must have before receiving the Holy Eucharist. It’s focus is not on our friendliness as a congregation. It helps to remind us that inspite of the sins we incur or are subject to within our family (in the larger sense of the word), we are to be at peace with one another. This ritual action helps us to be properly disposed to receive our Lord.

The priest then breaks the bread and together we pray

Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world: have mercy on us.
Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world: have mercy on us.
Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world: grant us peace.

And then, having discerned that our hearts and minds are properly disposed to receive the Body and Blood of Christ, we get to behold, with eyes of faith, the Lamb of God.

Celebrant: This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Happy are those who are called to his supper.

With humility and faith, we proclaim: Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the world and I shall be healed.

Then the minister of Communion acclaims to each communicant: “The Body of Christ,” stating the reality of the Eucharistic species being presented, and indicating what we become by receiving the Eucharist (“The Body of Christ”).
As we receive, we reverently answer Amen (Yes, I do believe that this is truly Christ, body and blood, soul and divinity, present in this banquet).

During the distribution, we sing a Communion prayer, and then, after a period of silence or song of praise, the celebrant prays the post-Communion prayer, in which we continue to gratefullly pray for holiness, or spiritual communion.

We’re so very blessed with our liturgy, which is all about Jesus – and our being in communion with Him and one another.
 
I’ve always felt sort of “jarred” by the Sign of Peace being located where it is in the Mass. Everyone is in a contempletive space, getting ready to receive Communion-and a party breaks out. “Hey, Harry-how’s the family! How 'bout those YANKEES!!! Jo-Ann, don’t forget we have to get the donuts ready! Alexander, remember we have soccer afterwards!” (all real comments I’ve heard during the sign of peace)

I’m happy for those who have a more respectful atmosphere or who have less trouble with the party-but it was one of the things that drove me to the traditional Chapel. I get enough LOUD during the week at work-I just want an hour of peace to commune with my Lord. I feel just as connected to my Community when we are all silently focused on the miracle that is taking place on the altar. All those hearts and minds joined in prayer creates such a strong energetic atmosphere-it’s electric to me. I never fail to leave Mass charged up and ready to take on the week.
Glory Hallelujah - and Peace be with you for that response !
I, too, attend traditional - and have had comments from friends wondering how I can follow the Mass when the Priest prays quietly, etc. Your words put it so well - there’s an awe during that mystical silence. There IS peace - without handholding, shaking hands, kissing, waving or whatever. I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade, and I do believe that the Kiss or Sign of Peace, perhaps is to remind us that we’re not supposed to approach the altar without making peace with our neighbors, but it does get carried away. And, Fitswimmer, you said it all.

“We are all silently focused on the miracle that is taking place on the altar.”

Beautifully said! That’s why we’re there.
After Mass, say some prayers of Thanksgiving - go outside and hug the whole congregation ! 😃
 
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