Why is the Universe so vast?

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The physical universe is practically non-ending and ever-expanding. We can’t even see a fraction of the galaxies that exist for millions and millions of miles.This leads me to ask several questions:
  1. In a universe so large, is it naive to think that Earth is the only planet with life?
  2. Is it required, theologically, to believe that Earth is the only planet with life?
  3. Could the God of our Faith be the same God for another people on another planet with a different faith?
  4. Could there be multiple Gods in the Universe: one for our World (God of Abraham) and others for other worlds?
  5. Has the Bible addressed these issues? If so, what does it say?
How does distance lessen the supreme sacrifice of God’s only Son? Populated planets could be out there…just as remote areas of planet Earth have people still unaware of Jesus Christ and the Bible. God saves in various ways through the One Lord Jesus…though they might not know His Name as Jesus or anything about the Hebrews.
 
How does distance lessen the supreme sacrifice of God’s only Son? Populated planets could be out there…just as remote areas of planet Earth have people still unaware of Jesus Christ and the Bible. God saves in various ways through the One Lord Jesus…though they might not know His Name as Jesus or anything about the Hebrews.
There may be life here, but is it intelligent life?****
 
Do you have a link to a paper for that ? I remember reading about an early universe simulation, matter distribution wasn’t that much strict.
The excellent book by astrophysicist and Royal Astronomer Martin Rees, Just Six Numbers,

amazon.com/Just-Six-Numbers-Forces-Universe/dp/0465036732

has an entire chapter dedicated to this. Here is a short excerpt:

ichthus.info/BigBang/Docs/Just6num.pdf

His computer graphs though show quite dramatically the effects of just small deviations either way. This value of low mass fluctuation, the so-called ripple constant Q, is one of many that have to be just right for the universe to allow to bear life – it is part of the so-called ‘fine-tuning’ of the laws of nature and the universe. Rees, like practically all cosmologists knowledgeable about this matter, squarely dismisses the argument that the fine-tuning might just be brute chance. Instead, he opts for the multiverse in order to circumvent the design idea. Yet while the multiverse would solve the fine-tuning of our particular universe, it does not solve the overall design problem, see section 1.4 of my article:

home.earthlink.net/~almoritz/cosmological-arguments-god.htm

(In order to understand fine-tuning, I recommend reading the entire article.)
 
Brother Leo (on EWTN) said if there was a Big Bang, there would need to be someone available to put it all back together!🙂 Only God could do that.
Brother Leo either mis-spoke, or he doesn’t understand what the Big Bang (as understood by 21st-century physicists) was.

Personally, I believe in the Big Bang. God said, “Let there be . . .”, and
BANG! There it was.

😃
 
The excellent book by astrophysicist and Royal Astronomer Martin Rees, Just Six Numbers,

amazon.com/Just-Six-Numbers-Forces-Universe/dp/0465036732

has an entire chapter dedicated to this. Here is a short excerpt:

ichthus.info/BigBang/Docs/Just6num.pdf

His computer graphs though show quite dramatically the effects of just small deviations either way. This value of low mass fluctuation, the so-called ripple constant Q, is one of many that have to be just right for the universe to allow to bear life – it is part of the so-called ‘fine-tuning’ of the laws of nature and the universe. Rees, like practically all cosmologists knowledgeable about this matter, squarely dismisses the argument that the fine-tuning might just be brute chance. Instead, he opts for the multiverse in order to circumvent the design idea. Yet while the multiverse would solve the fine-tuning of our particular universe, it does not solve the overall design problem, see section 1.4 of my article:

home.earthlink.net/~almoritz/cosmological-arguments-god.htm

(In order to understand fine-tuning, I recommend reading the entire article.)
Thank you for that, I will try to read that when I find a bit of time. 👍
 
Personally, I doubt we’ll ever know in this life.

I doubt we’ll know in this life just how big the universe is. Physicists might be able to posit a certain size due to mathematical calculations of necessary amounts of matter and energy required to do this or that, but they couldn’t know about anything too many light years away for any view of it to be seen yet, and they most certainly couldn’t know anything about an entirely different construct similar (or perhaps not similar) to the one we know about, that’s a trillion light years farther on.

If, as some physicists say, there are other dimensions, do we count them too? Can we really ever know anything about them other than what physicists come up with to explain a limited number of observed things or things believed “necessary” to make the equations work out?

And most definitely we can’t know the mind of God. We would be God if we did.

So, we’re pretty much at sea with the question, and necessarily so. As one previous poster said, however, inasmuch as all of creation is created out of God’s benevolence, about all we can do is accept that the vastness of the universe is somehow benevolent.

But benevolent to whom, and in what way? About all we can do is speculate about that, without being at all sure we’re right in that speculation.

Christians believe in angels because their existence is in scripture and for other reasons. We know a little bit about them, but not very much. We do know they are magnificent creatures and well beyond us in that. We know they are not obliged to follow some of the rules we must follow when it comes to space, the limitations of matter, and perhaps even those of time.

Those who are not believers snicker at the notion of angels while accepting the idea that there might be some other kind of natural being far superior to us. But if you accept the idea of the incredibly intelligent and magnificent being from a distant galaxy, you really can’t deny the possibility of angels.

It’s possible, certainly, that the vastness of universe is not directed at us at all, except tangentially by a God that knew we would someday view some of it and be awe-struck by it. The universe may be so vast (and perhaps far more vast than we even suspect) for the benefit of other creatures entirely.

We are told in scripture that no man could see the face of God and live. We can guess at why that is, but it isn’t too hard to picture it in terms of an attempt of a finite mind to grasp infinity. Our arterial intergrity might fail at being suddenly infused with the most basic trillion equations in God’s mind. Our hearts might rupture at the sudden infusion of a miniscule portion of God’s love or the sight of the very outermost portal of His Being.

And what of angels, then? It has been said that if we were confronted by an angel in its true nature we would be absolutely convinced that it was God, so great is its magnificence. So what are they? Well, they’re spirits, Christians believe, which puts them beyond human science. What do they do? Well, as incorporeal beings, perhaps they are “ideas” in the mind of God; “ideas” that He gave consciousness.

Might one angel, then, be the principles that govern the performance of energy? Might those principles be a segment of the mind of God to which God has given consciousness?
Christians are told angels perform functions in the conduct of the universe, but we don’t know how it all works. Possibly we’re not capable of knowing.

So, in considering the question why the universe is so vast, I guess I would come down on the side of those who say 1) that we don’t really know, and (more precariously) 2) that the vastness might not fundamentally be for us at all.
 
Personally, I doubt we’ll ever know in this life.

I doubt we’ll know in this life just how big the universe is. Physicists might be able to posit a certain size due to mathematical calculations of necessary amounts of matter and energy required to do this or that, but they couldn’t know about anything too many light years away for any view of it to be seen yet, and they most certainly couldn’t know anything about an entirely different construct similar (or perhaps not similar) to the one we know about, that’s a trillion light years farther on.

If, as some physicists say, there are other dimensions, do we count them too? Can we really ever know anything about them other than what physicists come up with to explain a limited number of observed things or things believed “necessary” to make the equations work out?

And most definitely we can’t know the mind of God. We would be God if we did.

So, we’re pretty much at sea with the question, and necessarily so. As one previous poster said, however, inasmuch as all of creation is created out of God’s benevolence, about all we can do is accept that the vastness of the universe is somehow benevolent.

But benevolent to whom, and in what way? About all we can do is speculate about that, without being at all sure we’re right in that speculation.

Christians believe in angels because their existence is in scripture and for other reasons. We know a little bit about them, but not very much. We do know they are magnificent creatures and well beyond us in that. We know they are not obliged to follow some of the rules we must follow when it comes to space, the limitations of matter, and perhaps even those of time.

Those who are not believers snicker at the notion of angels while accepting the idea that there might be some other kind of natural being far superior to us. But if you accept the idea of the incredibly intelligent and magnificent being from a distant galaxy, you really can’t deny the possibility of angels.

It’s possible, certainly, that the vastness of universe is not directed at us at all, except tangentially by a God that knew we would someday view some of it and be awe-struck by it. The universe may be so vast (and perhaps far more vast than we even suspect) for the benefit of other creatures entirely.

We are told in scripture that no man could see the face of God and live. We can guess at why that is, but it isn’t too hard to picture it in terms of an attempt of a finite mind to grasp infinity. Our arterial intergrity might fail at being suddenly infused with the most basic trillion equations in God’s mind. Our hearts might rupture at the sudden infusion of a miniscule portion of God’s love or the sight of the very outermost portal of His Being.

And what of angels, then? It has been said that if we were confronted by an angel in its true nature we would be absolutely convinced that it was God, so great is its magnificence. So what are they? Well, they’re spirits, Christians believe, which puts them beyond human science. What do they do? Well, as incorporeal beings, perhaps they are “ideas” in the mind of God; “ideas” that He gave consciousness.

Might one angel, then, be the principles that govern the performance of energy? Might those principles be a segment of the mind of God to which God has given consciousness?
Christians are told angels perform functions in the conduct of the universe, but we don’t know how it all works. Possibly we’re not capable of knowing.

So, in considering the question why the universe is so vast, I guess I would come down on the side of those who say 1) that we don’t really know, and (more precariously) 2) that the vastness might not fundamentally be for us at all.
This is a most interesting post…thanks.
Ps…there is a whole group of Angels called “Powers”…“virtus” (in Latin) from which we get the word virtues.
 
This is a most interesting post…thanks.
Ps…there is a whole group of Angels called “Powers”…“virtus” (in Latin) from which we get the word virtues.
Thanks for the kind words. I’m not saying angels are what I speculated to above. Nor am I saying the universe is constructed in any particular way.

What I do believe is that there are limitations to what physicists know about the universe, and some of those limitations seem to be insurmountable, particularly when they start talking about universes that are right here but imperceptible to us. They don’t even know what “black hole stuff” is like, in full. For certain they’re never going to be able to examine a spoonful of it if black holes are anything like what they think they’re like.

And spiritual things are utterly beyond physics anyway. So, if we allow for the existence of spirit at all, we’re limited to what spirit or spirits tell us, just as a blind sea slug can’t know anything about us until we touch it. And even then the sea slug knows nothing of Shakespeare and its limitations prevent us from ever telling it about Shakespeare. From that takeoff point, all the rest is speculation.
 
Personally

So, in considering the question why the universe is so vast, I guess I would come down on the side of those who say 1) that we don’t really know, and (more precariously) 2) that the vastness might not fundamentally be for us at all.
There are certain limitations we know about.
“The heavens declare the glory of God; the sky proclaims its builder’s craft.”
I think it’s so vast because of the skills God put in us.
We know that our salvation will not bring us back in a past, like the one Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, but in a future in a new Jerusalem with Jesus Christ. Does this suggest that ( hopefully ) we will use technology there?
 
Exactly how vast is the universe? It is certainly vast so far as we are concerned. But it’s all relative, isn’t it? The Big Bang produced an expanding universe. The universe is considerably more vast than it was 14 billion years ago. But it is still expanding, and it is expanding at a rapidly increasing acceleration. We don’t know how much longer it can expand, but we know that it will make the universe we live in today somewhat smaller than we tend to think of it now.

There is no answer to your question without being able to enter the mind of God. 😉
 
Well the first two questions I asked in this thread on whether it is theologically unsound to believe that there could be intelligent life on other planets is actually addressed in the sturdy old Baltimore Catechism of the 1960s.

Question 51 of the Catechism states:
“It is possible that there are intelligent beings created by God on other planets of the universe, because God’s power is unlimited.”
 
copeland

**Question 51 of the Catechism states:
“It is possible that there are intelligent beings created by God on other planets of the universe, because God’s power is unlimited.” **

The catechism says it’s possible. It doesn’t say it’s likely.

I tend to think that it’s unlikely that humans like us exist elsewhere in the universe. If so, there would have to be more than one Mother of God to help rescue them from the mouth of Satan. In other words, how many Queens of Heaven can there be? :confused:
 
The physical universe is practically non-ending and ever-expanding. We can’t even see a fraction of the galaxies that exist for millions and millions of miles.This leads me to ask several questions:
  1. In a universe so large, is it naive to think that Earth is the only planet with life?
  2. Is it required, theologically, to believe that Earth is the only planet with life?
  3. Could the God of our Faith be the same God for another people on another planet with a different faith?
  4. Could there be multiple Gods in the Universe: one for our World (God of Abraham) and others for other worlds?
  5. Has the Bible addressed these issues? If so, what does it say?
The questions presented are way beyond the weltanschalung of the desert peoples of Abraham. In their “worldview” the earth was at the center of creation and the filament consistented of the cosmos. Now we know much more. Copernius moved us an inch, Newton further, and Einstein and the quantum revolution moved us to where we are today.

In the fullness of time the mythologies, superstitions and mystical explanations will give way to an even better comprehension of reality, although, there may, in fact, really be no ultimate answer. The universe is large, so huge, so gigantic that it mat never be fully known.
 
WmJack

The questions presented are way beyond the weltanschalung of the desert peoples of Abraham. In their “worldview” the earth was at the center of creation and the filament consistented of the cosmos. Now we know much more. Copernius moved us an inch, Newton further, and Einstein and the quantum revolution moved us to where we are today.

Where we are today is that science is more and more confirming that the universe was created and that it has all the appearance of being designed. That is, the atheistic thrust of science since Darwin is in retreat.

Live with it! :D;)
 
You’re kidding me, right? 😛

If I knew that, I’d win the Nobel Prize for Everything 😃

What I think is there was never a time, ever, when there was nothing.

And from this ‘something’ whatever that was, the universe emerged.

It’s possible the universe keeps expanding and contracting to a singularity then expanding then contracting then expanding …

We just don’t know.

Yet.

But science will tell us the answer, and all we need to know, one day 👍

Sarah x 🙂
A constantly expanding and contracting eternal universe would violate the law of conversation of energy. It would follow the effect of a bouncing ball, with each bounce becoming progressively smaller, until nothing exists.
And since the beginning is an eternity ago, whatever must stop bouncing according to the law of conservation, already would have stopped bouncing.
 
A constantly expanding and contracting eternal universe would violate the law of conversation of energy. It would follow the effect of a bouncing ball, with each bounce becoming progressively smaller, until nothing exists.
And since the beginning is an eternity ago, whatever must stop bouncing according to the law of conservation, already would have stopped bouncing.
Correction, a bouncing ball loses energy through friction to its environment. Conservation of energy means that it’s not lost or gained, just transmitted. If we don’t assume the universe is loosing energy to… something else, there’s nothing stopping it from bouncing again and again.
 
The Universe is unimaginably vast because it is the product of immense creative power we shall never understand. There is no limit to the possibilities of which it is capable…
 
Stephen Barr’s book Modern Physics and Ancient Faith has a chapter titled “Why Is the Universe So Vast?”

Very interesting, as is the rest of the book!
 
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