Why is the world catering to just 14%?

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FaithofAbraham said:
If you say that an image is God is it likely to be worshiped as God? Why do people think if you take that motto off the money it means that we aren’t worshiping God properly in the country?
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Let me answer that backwards. I do not think that removing God from the money means anything about the faith of the nation. God was not on there for most of the history of the country, and we were more “devout” then. It was added as a knee-jerk response to Communism, and as many people thought it was a part of Communism, atheism. That said, many people, some of which are on this forum would see it as failing to worship God properly. As I have posted before, based on the types of people we have in government, I’d rather not have them carrying the banner of the Faith.

Just because an image is of God does not mean it will be worshiped. It may foster a better devotion or aid in visualising for prayer, meditation, or study. If a married person has a picture of their spouse, do they have the same feelings for the picture as they do the spouse? Not at all. Do they treat the two the same way? Nope. Even if the person says that they “love the picure” it does not mean that they consider the picture the same as the spouse: it means that the picuture is connected with the thoughts and memories that they have and is therefor special
 
ralphinal said:
Just because an image is of God does not mean it will be worshiped.
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A lot of Christians say they believe the Ten Commandments, and even here it’s been said Jesus said those are what stands until heaven and earth pass.

So if the Ten say don’t even make an image of God, whether you worship it or not, why do Christians think it’s ok to do it anyway?
 
FaithofAbraham said:
A lot of Christians say they believe the Ten Commandments, and even here it’s been said Jesus said those are what stands until heaven and earth pass.

So if the Ten say don’t even make an image of God, whether you worship it or not, why do Christians think it’s ok to do it anyway?
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From Exodus 20
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
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5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
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6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
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It does not say that you cannot have an image in and of itself. You cannot have an idol that you worship. There is a difference. It is like the picture analigy that I posted. The understanding of what an idol is is where we are not communicating. You say that anything is an idol, I say that it must be religious in nature and be worshiped (or have been worshiped).

Do you consider paintings, statues, and photographs as idols? Even if they are not of religious people?
 
FaithofAbraham said:
I don’t think the Egyptian Eye of Ra is supposed to be the Christian God, is it?
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Do your homework and then come back and comment. Bunch of baloney. Again, the OP wonders why so many people are catering to the minority. Stick to the subject, will you? No where did the OP mention money…a Muslim did. Just trying to bring focus off the truth and insert a bunch of stuff that has no meaning. Do you type just to see your words on the forum?? Do you stop and investigate, research, etc. before you make rediculous comments like that?? I, as a Roman Catholic, do not worship money, thankyouverymuch. I could care less WHAT is on the dollar bill. It has nothing to do with the relationship between me and God. You have just added to my many reasons why I think Islam is false and Muslims are argumentative. No clear proof. Just a bunch of strung out sentances that carry no real meaning.
 
ralphinal said:
From Exodus 20

It does not say that you cannot have an image in and of itself. You cannot have an idol that you worship. There is a difference. It is like the picture analigy that I posted. The understanding of what an idol is is where we are not communicating. You say that anything is an idol, I say that it must be religious in nature and be worshiped (or have been worshiped).

Do you consider paintings, statues, and photographs as idols? Even if they are not of religious people?
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On the money there is a picture of the god and an oath of worship next to it. Whoever accepts that oath as being trusting of that god is worshiping the picture of that god. That’s what worship is, acknowledging that something is a god and putting your faith in it. It doesn’t mean bowing down and lighting incense to it or something. That’s why there is a first sentence:

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Whatever you make and call a god is an idol, since you are saying it is a god.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Whatever you make and call a god is an idol, since you are saying it is a god.
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This is true and the meaning of the commandment. If one makes something and calls it a god, then it is idol worship. I do not think anyone here though calls anything made by human hands a god.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
On the money there is a picture of the god and an oath of worship next to it. Whoever accepts that oath as being trusting of that god is worshiping the picture of that god. That’s what worship is, acknowledging that something is a god and putting your faith in it. It doesn’t mean bowing down and lighting incense to it or something. That’s why there is a first sentence:

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Whatever you make and call a god is an idol, since you are saying it is a god.
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Oath? What oath? Are we even talking about American currency anymore?:confused:
 
Tim_Kirchoff said:
Oath? What oath? Are we even talking about American currency anymore?:confused:
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IN GOD WE TRUST oath

People sure do fight to keep their idols, Israelites never wanted to let them go either and look what happened to them.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
On the money there is a picture of the god and an oath of worship next to it. Whoever accepts that oath as being trusting of that god is worshiping the picture of that god. That’s what worship is, acknowledging that something is a god and putting your faith in it. It doesn’t mean bowing down and lighting incense to it or something. That’s why there is a first sentence:

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Whatever you make and call a god is an idol, since you are saying it is a god.
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Not to be insulting, but where do you get this idea? That symbol is not a god. It is symbolic of God looking over America. It is not a symbol of Ra. It is similar to the symbol for Horus, but that was not intentional. It represents God in heaven watching and blessing America. You were the one who stated that it was a god.

In God we Trust can only mean one God in America: the God of Abraham and Isaac. The God that is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is no other God recognized on our money.
 
pnewton said:
I know of no definition of oath that qualifies this as an oath.
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Oath of allegiance, you pledge your trust to that god. If someone can find an official US document stating the money/flag oaths refer to the God of Jesus I’ll be really surprised.
 
ralphinal said:
Not to be insulting, but where do you get this idea? That symbol is not a god. It is symbolic of God looking over America. It is not a symbol of Ra. It is similar to the symbol for Horus, but that was not intentional. It represents God in heaven watching and blessing America. You were the one who stated that it was a god.

In God we Trust can only mean one God in America: the God of Abraham and Isaac. The God that is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is no other God recognized on our money.
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Well as I just asked, if you can find an official US document saying that specifically refers to the God of Jesus I’ll be surprised.

Congress passed a Public Law saying that the USA was founded on Noahide Laws of the Jewish Talmud, not on Christianity. So I’m not real convinced that thing on the money is the God of Jesus. Where in the Bible does it say God is supposed to be drawn as an eye, anyway? And why is it watching over the pyramid, is the USA the pyramid?

Sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Well as I just asked, if you can find an official US document saying that specifically refers to the God of Jesus I’ll be surprised.

Congress passed a Public Law saying that the USA was founded on Noahide Laws of the Jewish Talmud, not on Christianity. So I’m not real convinced that thing on the money is the God of Jesus. Where in the Bible does it say God is supposed to be drawn as an eye, anyway? And why is it watching over the pyramid, is the USA the pyramid?

Sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me.
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Oh my. You are slightly wrong about that law. That was not a law: it was a resolution meant to honor a rabbi and to encourage people to study history. This is not a law and it is not binding on anyone or anything.

No, the Bible does not state any type of art directions. Nor does it say that you should discuss faith on the internet. Just because it is not in there does not mean it is not allowed. Does the Koran allow cars? Planes? Televisions? Radios? Indoor Plumbing?
 
ralphinal said:
Oh my. You are slightly wrong about that law. That was not a law: it was a resolution meant to honor a rabbi and to encourage people to study history. This is not a law and it is not binding on anyone or anything.

No, the Bible does not state any type of art directions. Nor does it say that you should discuss faith on the internet. Just because it is not in there does not mean it is not allowed. Does the Koran allow cars? Planes? Televisions? Radios? Indoor Plumbing?
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I said it was a Public Law. Saying that the USA was founded on those Laws as interpreted by the Talmud. Honoring the Rebbe who is now worshiped by his followers as not only Messiah, but God too.

But fight to defend that as well if you want, instead of defending Jesus. He’s watching too.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
I said it was a Public Law. Saying that the USA was founded on those Laws as interpreted by the Talmud. Honoring the Rebbe who is now worshiped by his followers as not only Messiah, but God too.

But fight to defend that as well if you want, instead of defending Jesus. He’s watching too.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
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Again it is NOT a law of any type. I;ve never seen anyone other than you make this claim. No one worships that as a god. Did you read the founding father quotes? Christianity is the founding religion.

And you did not answer: if it is not mentioned as allowed (or at all) in the Koran, is it allowed?
 
FaithofAbraham said:
It is a law.

Public Law 102-14 Signed by George Bush
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It was a joint resolution. A law requires that it has, as a part, a penalty provision for breaking it. This designates a day of comemoration. It is listed a public law as it was approved by Congress and the President and entered into the public domain.

Regardless, I will concede the point if you answer: if something is not mentioned in the Koran, is it forbidden?
 
ralphinal said:
It was a joint resolution. A law requires that it has, as a part, a penalty provision for breaking it. This designates a day of comemoration. It is listed a public law as it was approved by Congress and the President and entered into the public domain.

Regardless, I will concede the point if you answer: if something is not mentioned in the Koran, is it forbidden?
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Sure if it means something like drawing a picture of God on your computer.

The penalty for breaking that law so far is being told you are contributing to moral decline if you don’t agree with it. Public Laws are designed for behavioral modification.
 
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