Why is there not a single Protestant Understanding of the Bible?

[Luvtosew]

I had no protest in me when I left. Still dont 40 years later. If someone finds what they need in a Catholic Church … God bless em!
I left because I saw people being drawn to Christ and discovering, for the first time …a deep, abiding relationship with Christ … that the Pastor of our Parish openly disdained.
When I went through a time of deep despair and confusion, plagued with thoughts of suicide (It was bad) … the Catholic Clergy that I tried to confide in expressed anger and judgement. I lost trust when I realized that there was no peace or clarity in what they had to give in fact there was only more pain. I had enough perception to realize that they were just mouthing a wrote pattern that simply didnt work. When I discovered real peace… It was in spite of what I had experienced when I approached Catholic Clergy. It was, and is Christ that brought me through and it had nothing to do with Catholicism when I finally knew that I was free. Christ is the one I cling to. Christ is the one I love. If that is considered protest … So be it.

1voice
Thank you for such an honest post. I’m sorry you had such a hard time of things. But I do understand where your coming from as it wasn’t till I started reading the Bible and listening to select Protestant speakers, their sermons, that I actually found a deeper meaning in the Christian faith Jesus and like you said peace. Although I’m still Catholic , well not now acturally after many years is I don’t believe in transubstantiation, since comeing here and finding out what it actually means , so well after over 50 years I need to find another Church, but thats fine with me, I think where ever one is being fed the most is the best place for them. The main thing for me also is Christ and well they are many fine Protestants out there and many fine Catholics as well. So thats where I"m at.

 

[Luvtosew]

You are judging others for judging.

Now, you still need to think about how it is that you can say that Christianity is correct and atheism, Islam, polygamy, etc etc etc are wrong…

but not be able to say that some Christian beliefs are wrong and some are right.

You can’t have it both ways, Luv. :nope:

I see, well excuse me for judging that others are judging.

You know , how would I know who is right or wrong (like I said before), based on my beliefs of course I don’t agree with their beliefs. I do believe most people beliefs are formed from birth, if a child is born to a Muslin they will be Islam, same with JW , Mormons , etc. Now when a person is able to decern for themselves they many change their faith and beliefs completely and some may not believe in a God at all.
As for me I was born into a Christian (Catholic) family so I’m Christian and always have been, just never questioned it, and thats all I can really say about it.
I believe polygamy is wrong, its even against the law, and I have no idea how someone is atheist.

Can you tell me?
Can you tell me why Islam is wrong,

 

[PRmerger]

I see, well excuse me for judging that others are judging.

Oh, Luv, you don’t need to be excused for judging. As I stated earlier, you really are supposed to judge. Must judge.

You just need to be excused for not liking it when others do it, but then doing it yourself.

 

[PRmerger]

You know , how would I know who is right or wrong (like I said before), based on my beliefs of course I don’t agree with their beliefs.

Exactly.

So here again you are claiming that you get to do something, but saying that Catholics can’t.

You get to say, “I don’t agree with their beliefs”, but when Catholics do this you say, we should just see it as “a different way of seeing things.”

Why do you get to say that polygamy is wrong but Catholics can’t say that denying the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is wrong?

Can you tell me why Islam is wrong,

Islam is wrong where it has deviated from the revelation given once for all to the Catholic Church.

 

[Luvtosew]

Exactly.

So here again you are claiming that you get to do something, but saying that Catholics can’t.

You get to say, “I don’t agree with their beliefs”, but when Catholics do this you say, we should just see it as “a different way of seeing things.”

Why do you get to say that polygamy is wrong but Catholics can’t say that denying the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is wrong?

Islam is wrong where it has deviated from the revelation given once for all to the Catholic Church.

apparently Islam doesn’t believe the RCC.

So here again you are claiming that you get to do something, but saying that Catholics can’t
Now where did I say this? As a Catholic you can believe whatever you like, but the RCC states that one needs to believe the teachings of the Church, and since I don’t believe in the “Real Presence” as being real flesh and real blood, but I believe it in a spritual sense, then I’m not allowed or do I wish to participate in the Catholic communion anymore, but if you believe that its fine with me. It doesn’t matter if if wrong or right its what one believes.

I’m sure if I told a polygamist it was wrong he would just look at me and laugh, but I would still believe it was wrong.

 

[PRmerger]

apparently Islam doesn’t believe the RCC.

Right.

And do you believe that they are wrong in denying, as the CC teaches, that Jesus is divine?

Or do you believe, as you stated earlier, that it’s “just a different way of seeing things”? (That, BTW, is a direct quote from you.)

To see where you said it, see the hyperlink that I provided for your benefit, because I already knew you’d ask where you said that.

 

[PRmerger]

Now where did I say this? As a Catholic you can believe whatever you like, but the RCC states that one needs to believe the teachings of the Church, and since I don’t believe in the “Real Presence” as being real flesh and real blood, but I believe it in a spritual sense, then I’m not allowed or do I wish to participate in the Catholic communion anymore, but if you believe that its fine with me. It doesn’t matter if if wrong or right its what one believes.

Are you sure you don’t want to retract that bolded statement, Luv?

Because I am sure that I am going to quote you on that later in our discourse.

Here’s your chance to retract it…

Think about what you’re saying: “It doesn’t matter if it’s wrong or right it’s what one believes.”

So it doesn’t matter if a man believes he can take your car–he believes it’s his right?

And it doesn’t matter if a woman wants to come and seduce another man’s husband–she believes it isn’t wrong?

Oh, I can really cite lots of examples of where this paradigm could take you…and I’m sure you don’t want to go there!

 

[Luvtosew]

Right.

And do you believe that they are wrong in denying, as the CC teaches, that Jesus is divine?

Or do you believe, as you stated earlier, that it’s “just a different way of seeing things”? (That, BTW, is a direct quote from you.)

To see where you said it, see the hyperlink that I provided for your benefit, because I already knew you’d ask where you said that.

are they wrong about Jesus, yes, but they don’t think so, it the belief system they grew up with, (a different way of seeing things was probably not a good choice of words) a belief system would be better.

 

[PRmerger]

are they wrong about Jesus, yes, but they don’t think so,

You are exactly right.

So Muslims are wrong about Jesus. And you can say that.

Catholics proclaim that Baptists are wrong to deny the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

You don’t have a problem with Catholics saying this now, right?

 

[Luvtosew]

Are you sure you don’t want to retract that bolded statement, Luv?

Because I am sure that I am going to quote you on that later in our discourse.

Here’s your chance to retract it…

Think about what you’re saying: “It doesn’t matter if it’s wrong or right it’s what one believes.”

So it doesn’t matter if a man believes he can take your car–he believes it’s his right?

And it doesn’t matter if a woman wants to come and seduce another man’s husband–she believes it isn’t wrong?

Oh, I can really cite lots of examples of where this paradigm could take you…and I’m sure you don’t want to go there!

you remind me of a drill sergeant I use to have.
“It doesn’t matter if it’s wrong or right it’s what one believes.”

I do believe we were talking faith issues here, and we (all the people in the world) are not going to agree on the same faith issues.
So yes I"ll go out on a limb here, I believe Catholics are wrong the way they believe about the real presense, as I firmly believe its a spiritual sacrament. So I firmly believe the CC is wrong on this.

 

[PRmerger]

So yes I"ll go out on a limb here, I believe Catholics are wrong the way they believe about the real presense, as I firmly believe its a spiritual sacrament. So I firmly believe the CC is wrong on this.

Okay. Then you’ll have to offer the same right for Catholics to state that certain Protestant beliefs are wrong.

Are you prepared to offer Catholics this right?

 

[Luvtosew]

Okay. Then you’ll have to offer the same right for Catholics to state that certain Protestant beliefs are wrong.

Are you prepared to offer Catholics this right?

Sure as long as its done repectfully and one describs what you feel is wrong about a belief instead of making a blanket statement.

The quest. here

Why is there not a** single **Protestant Understanding of the Bible. (which in essence is saying no Protestant understands the Bible.

 

[PRmerger]

Although I’m still Catholic , well not now acturally after many years is I don’t believe in transubstantiation, since comeing here and finding out what it actually means , so well after over 50 years I need to find another Church,

And sadly, Jesus will let you walk away, just like he did with his disciples who, like you, found his message that we must eat his flesh and drink his blood hard to understand.

Many of his disciples said, “This is very hard to understand. How can anyone accept it?”

61Jesus was aware that his disciples were complaining, so he said to them, “Does this offend you? 62Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? 63The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.) 65Then he said, “That is why I said that people can’t come to me unless the Father gives them to me.”

66At this point many of his disciples turned away and deserted him

 

[PRmerger]

Sure as long as its done repectfully and one describs what you feel is wrong about a belief instead of making a blanket statement.

 

[Luvtosew]

And sadly, Jesus will let you walk away, just like he did with his disciples who, like you, found his message that we must eat his flesh and drink his blood hard to understand.

Many of his disciples said, “This is very hard to understand. How can anyone accept it?”

61Jesus was aware that his disciples were complaining, so he said to them, “Does this offend you? 62Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? 63The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.) 65Then he said, “That is why I said that people can’t come to me unless the Father gives them to me.”

66At this point many of his disciples turned away and deserted him

So you want to debate this with me, I’m tired of it, I’ve probably debated this 50 times on this forum.

Yes it was hard for them to fathon since it was against Jewish law to drink blood, and also they followed Jesus to get more bread like when he multiplied the loaves as they were hungry for physical food, they didn’t understand the miracle of what had happened, or that Jesus was bread for the spirit, not body.

I’ve heard all the arguments, read the douay-rheims bible part of it, read early Roman history and early RCC history, and notta thing that would convince me to think other than the way I do, and the miracle, that even made me disbelieve it more.

 

[PRmerger]

Why is there not a** single **Protestant Understanding of the Bible. (which in essence is saying no Protestant understands the Bible.

It is NOT “in essence” saying no Protestant understands the Bible.

What it “in essence” is saying is that Sola Scriptura has not borne out to be true. If all one needs to do is read the Bible and come to an understanding of truth, then there would be ONE UNDERSTANDING of, say, John 6.

Instead there’s multiple (not single) understandings of it.

Therefore, Sola Scriptura can’t be the right paradigm.

 

[PRmerger]

So you want to debate this with me, I’m tired of it, I’ve probably debated this 50 times on this forum.

Yes it was hard for them to fathon since it was against Jewish law to drink blood, and also they followed Jesus to get more bread like when he multiplied the loaves as they were hungry for physical food, they didn’t understand the miracle of what had happened, or that Jesus was bread for the spirit, not body.

They walked away from Jesus saying he was bread for the spirit? Why would that be a hard saying to understand and offensive to them?

That sounds quite un-offensive, no?

I’ve heard all the arguments, read the douay-rheims bible part of it, read early Roman history and early RCC history, and notta thing that would convince me to think other than the way I do, and the miracle, that even made me disbelieve it more.

What miracle made you disbelieve it more?

 

[BillB2]

I think* Sola Scriptura* is a weakness of Protestantism and I am a Protestant.

I envy Catholics because they are assured that their church has the correct interpretation for difficult passages. It simplifies things.

 

[Luvtosew]

6:63 If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

If then you shall see, etc. . .Christ by mentioning his ascension, by this instance of his power and divinity, would confirm the truth of what he had before asserted; and at the same time orrect their gross apprehension of eating his flesh, and drinking his blood, in a vulgar and carnal manner, by letting them know he should take his whole body living with him to heaven; and onsequently not suffer it to be as they supposed, divided, mangled, and consumed upon earth.
6:64 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

The flesh profiteth nothing. . .Dead flesh separated from the spirit, in the gross manner they supposed they were to eat his flesh, would profit nothing. Neither doth man’s flesh, that is to ay, man’s natural and carnal apprehension, (which refuses to be subject to the spirit, and words of Christ,) profit any thing. But it would be the height of blasphemy, to say the living flesh of hrist (which we receive in the blessed sacarament, with his spirit, that is, with his soul and divinity) profiteth nothing. For if Christ’s flesh had profitedus nothing, he would never have taken lesh for us, nor died in us nothing, he would never have taken flesh for us, nor died in the flesh for us. Are spirit and life. . .By proposing to you a heavenly sacrament, in which you shall eceive, in a wonderful manner, spirit, grace, and life, in its very fountain.

6:65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that did not believe and who he was that would betray

Heres a tidbit I found, now this sounds spiritual to me.
this is from the douay-Reims bible

 

[Luvtosew]

I think* Sola Scriptura* is a weakness of Protestantism and I am a Protestant.

I envy Catholics because they are assured that their church has the correct interpretation for difficult passages. It simplifies things.

I don’t know, all I know is I love to read the Bible, esp. the words of Jesus. Now I see the Geneva Bible is the oldest English Bible wrote before the RCC D-R, and I just ordered the book Pilgrim Progress which is the Bible this preacher used, its suppose to be one of the most published books next to the Bible, and its about a spiritual journey, so I can’t wait to get it, as I think there will be Bible verses in it.

Has anyone read it? Pilgrim Progress by John Bunyan, the Geneva Bible is the one that came over on the Mayflower.