Why is there not a single Protestant Understanding of the Bible?

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Luvtosew said:
6:63 If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

If then you shall see, etc. . .Christ by mentioning his ascension, by this instance of his power and divinity, would confirm the truth of what he had before asserted; and at the same time orrect their gross apprehension of eating his flesh, and drinking his blood, in a vulgar and carnal manner, by letting them know he should take his whole body living with him to heaven; and onsequently not suffer it to be as they supposed, divided, mangled, and consumed upon earth.
6:64 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

The flesh profiteth nothing. . .Dead flesh separated from the spirit, in the gross manner they supposed they were to eat his flesh, would profit nothing. Neither doth man’s flesh, that is to ay, man’s natural and carnal apprehension, (which refuses to be subject to the spirit, and words of Christ,) profit any thing. But it would be the height of blasphemy, to say the living flesh of hrist (which we receive in the blessed sacarament, with his spirit, that is, with his soul and divinity) profiteth nothing. For if Christ’s flesh had profitedus nothing, he would never have taken lesh for us, nor died in us nothing, he would never have taken flesh for us, nor died in the flesh for us. Are spirit and life. . .By proposing to you a heavenly sacrament, in which you shall eceive, in a wonderful manner, spirit, grace, and life, in its very fountain.

6:65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that did not believe and who he was that would betray

Heres a tidbit I found, now this sounds spiritual to me.
this is from the douay-Reims bible
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Not sure how this contradicts the Real Presence dogma.

And are you sure you want to say that Jesus’ flesh profits nothing?

Think about it. :hmmm:
 
Luvtosew said:
I don’t know, all I know is I love to read the Bible, esp. the words of Jesus.
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And each and every time you read the Bible you ought to give thanks to God for the Catholic Church for discerning which of the over 400 ancient Christian texts in existence were inspired and which were not.

When you read the words of Jesus** the only way** you can be assured that he said those words is if you defer to the authority of the CC to tell you that he truly did say this.

You would not know it any other way.
 
Luvtosew said:
Actually I don’t care what you were before, it doesn’t matter. You seem to be carrying some sort of grudge. So lets leave it at that why don’t we, I don’t want to argue, debate. and go to such extremes, And just because someone may leave the CC doesn’t mean they are looking for a liscense to sin. :rolleyes:
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I am glad you don’t care about my past, now we can stop bringing it up! I hold no grudges. I am just defending the Catholic teaching on a Catholic site:eek:.

My point was that if there is no Absolute Truth, then nothing is for sure. That would mean that there is no right or wrong. That would mean that everything is relative. I wasn’t accusing protestants of looking for license to sin, I was making a point about Absolute Truth.

Now, if there is Absolute Truth, then some things are right and others are wrong. If there is Absolute Truth, then two counter viewpoints cannot both be right. The Catholic Church and many protestant churches teach that abortion is wrong, there are a few who teach that abortion is ok, they cannot both be right.

However, you said “It doesn’t matter if if wrong or right its what one believes.” in post #300. This is problematic to me. Are you serious? Do you believe that it doesn’t matter as long as you are sincere in your belief?
 
PRmerger said:
Not sure how this contradicts the Real Presence dogma.

And are you sure you want to say that Jesus’ flesh profits nothing?

Think about it. :hmmm:
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these are not any of my words. his flesh profited us at the cross. Yes I think its obvious, although now the RCC could of added to it as it is The D-R bible.

For if Christ’s flesh had profitedus nothing, he would never have taken lesh for us, nor died in us nothing, he would never have taken flesh for us, nor died in the flesh for us

these are not my words, but the RCC words in the DR bible.

I think they mean that he came in the flesh for us and died in the flesh for us.
 
PRmerger said:
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And each and every time you read the Bible you ought to give thanks to God for the Catholic Church for discerning which of the over 400 ancient Christian texts in existence were inspired and which were not.

When you read the words of Jesus** the only way** you can be assured that he said those words is if you defer to the authority of the CC to tell you that he truly did say this.

You would not know it any other way.
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Oh I am.😃
 
Luvtosew said:
these are not any of my words. his flesh profited us at the cross. Yes I think its obvious, although now the RCC could of added to it as it is The D-R bible.

For if Christ’s flesh had profitedus nothing, he would never have taken lesh for us, nor died in us nothing, he would never have taken flesh for us, nor died in the flesh for us

these are not my words, but the RCC words in the DR bible.

I think they mean that he came in the flesh for us and died in the flesh for us.
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Amen!

Again, how does this refute the dogma of the Real Presence?
 
Luvtosew said:
Oh I am.😃
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Awesome.

You you believe that the Church is correct in discerning that the Gospel of Mark is inspired.

But that the Church is wrong when she teaches about the Real Presence.

So how do you decide when the Church is wrong and when she is right?
 
PRmerger said:
Amen!

Again, how does this refute the dogma of the Real Presence?
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why don’t you read it and draw your own conclusion, its pretty obvious to me. Its spiritual food. He took his whole body to heaven, not to be consumed on earth.
 
BillB2 said:
I think* Sola Scriptura* is a weakness of Protestantism and I am a Protestant.

I envy Catholics because they are assured that their church has the correct interpretation for difficult passages. It simplifies things.
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Luvtosew said:
why don’t you read it and draw your own conclusion, its pretty obvious to me. Its spiritual food. He took his whole body to heaven, not to be consumed on earth.
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Of course it’s spiritual food. 🙂

It’s just not *only *spiritual food. 🤷
 
PRmerger said:
Awesome.

You you believe that the Church is correct in discerning that the Gospel of Mark is inspired.

But that the Church is wrong when she teaches about the Real Presence.

So how do you decide when the Church is wrong and when she is right?
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that was from John 6, I didn’t write it.
 
PRmerger said:
Of course it’s spiritual food. 🙂

It’s just not *only *spiritual food. 🤷
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Yes I think it is, its not carnal flesh and blood, its the whole being body of Christ that is taken in a spiritual way, the flesh profits nothing. I think it quite clear.
 
Luvtosew said:
Yes I think it is, its not carnal flesh and blood, its the whole being body of Christ that is taken in a spiritual way, the flesh profits nothing. I think it quite clear.
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If Jesus’ flesh profits nothing then your sins are not forgiven, :eek:
for it was only by Jesus’ flesh that the gates of heaven were opened.

So you surely can’t mean that Jesus’ flesh profits nothing.
 
PRmerger said:
If Jesus’ flesh profits nothing then your sins are not forgiven, :eek:
for it was only by Jesus’ flesh that the gates of heaven were opened.

So you surely can’t mean that Jesus’ flesh profits nothing.
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Jesus said, the flesh profits nothing,

thats why its in that scripture verse of John 6 a few posts back.
 
Luvtosew said:
Jesus said, the flesh profits nothing,

thats why its in that scripture verse of John 6 a few posts back.
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Exactly. The flesh. Not HIS flesh.

If HIS flesh profits nothing, then your sins are not forgiven. :eek:

So if HIS flesh does indeed profit us something, then John 6 clearly is talking about the Eucharist, and our needing to eat HIS flesh and drink HIS blood.
 
Loboto-Me said:
and the Church knows how to interpret the book that it authored.
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God is the one who authored the Bible. The Bible might have been written by men but they were moved and inspired by God. The Bible says that all scripture is God-breathed. I will accept that the church put together the New Testament but not authored.

“This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words”
 
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