Why is this wrong help!

[Chuck1]

I was reading this the other day for class and it said that :
36. But religions such as Christianity and Hinduism revere their great religious figures as ‘gods’ or incarnations of God. What does Islam say?

According to Islam, all these righteous persons were mortal, human prophets of God, like the Holy Prophet Muhammad, having the same needs that every human being has. They all eventually died, as everyone must. There are several reasons why they have come to be revered by their followers as ‘gods’. One is that their words were misunderstood by the later generations, who mistook their figurative expressions in a literal sense. Another is that the details of their lives were not preserved accurately, and therefore a great many myths have grown up around them, and their works and deeds have been much exaggerated.

How can I refute this , why is it wrong ?

 

[fhansen]

I was reading this the other day for class and it said that :
36. But religions such as Christianity and Hinduism revere their great religious figures as ‘gods’ or incarnations of God. What does Islam say?

According to Islam, all these righteous persons were mortal, human prophets of God, like the Holy Prophet Muhammad, having the same needs that every human being has. They all eventually died, as everyone must. There are several reasons why they have come to be revered by their followers as ‘gods’. One is that their words were misunderstood by the later generations, who mistook their figurative expressions in a literal sense. Another is that the details of their lives were not preserved accurately, and therefore a great many myths have grown up around them, and their works and deeds have been much exaggerated.

How can I refute this , why is it wrong ?

Because there’s not a single reason why it should be right. God could reveal Himself as a human-He could’ve done it through multiple incarnations-or only one. He’s God; He can do whatever He wants.

 

[1ke]

What class were you reading this for?

Do you attend an Islamic school???

 

[Chuck1]

I know that but what about the bit about it wasn’t accurate as it was mid understood by later generations and it was exaggerated ?

 

[Chuck1]

No I don’t I had to read it for religious education

 

[1ke]

No I don’t I had to read it for religious education

What class is this? What book is it from?

What do you mean you had to read it for religious education?

 

[Chuck1]

Yes for religous education class and its from a school text book about loads of religions and I was wondering how I can refute it ?

 

[Myqyl]

They all eventually died, as everyone must.

How can I refute this , why is it wrong ?

They all eventually died, true, but One rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven.

The death of Jesus is not proof of His not being God. Quite the opposite actually.

God bless

 

[1ke]

Yes for religous education class and its from a school text book about loads of religions and I was wondering how I can refute it ?

What is there to refute?

The text seems to be saying “this is what Islam believes”. And in fact, that is what they believe.

 

[Chuck1]

What about where it says that there are myths around it and that the good works and deeds are exaggerated ?

 

[1ke]

What about where it says that there are myths around it and that the good works and deeds are exaggerated ?

Chuck,

I am not saying it is true, I am saying it is what they believe. That is all the textbook is saying, from what I can see.

 

[cyguy]

Remember when Jesus walked amongst us, he was ALL God and ALL man. He was both, at the same time.

 

[Iron_Donkey]

I was reading this the other day for class and it said that :
36. But religions such as Christianity and Hinduism revere their great religious figures as ‘gods’ or incarnations of God. What does Islam say?

According to Islam, all these righteous persons were mortal, human prophets of God, like the Holy Prophet Muhammad, having the same needs that every human being has. They all eventually died, as everyone must. There are several reasons why they have come to be revered by their followers as ‘gods’. One is that their words were misunderstood by the later generations, who mistook their figurative expressions in a literal sense. Another is that the details of their lives were not preserved accurately, and therefore a great many myths have grown up around them, and their works and deeds have been much exaggerated.

How can I refute this , why is it wrong ?

That Islam believes that is simply true. That the belief is false comes from the fact that Christ really was God. Pick your favorite proof of this, and you have your contradiction.

But to address the point more specifically - to claim that all that has been passed on is inaccurate exaggeration is a positive claim. There is no reason to believe that this is true without evidence. So what you could say is “the Resurrection really happened because of [insert historical evidence + people died extremely close to the event when they could have lived simply by denying it, or similar], and if you think it’s exaggeration then prove it.”

 

[Chuck1]

Yes but what I ment was What about where it says that there are myths around it and that the good works and deeds are exaggerated ? How do we know they were not exaggerated ?

 

[MarkInOregon]

I was reading this the other day for class and it said that :
36. But religions such as Christianity and Hinduism revere their great religious figures as ‘gods’ or incarnations of God. What does Islam say?

According to Islam, all these righteous persons were mortal, human prophets of God, like the Holy Prophet Muhammad, having the same needs that every human being has. They all eventually died, as everyone must. There are several reasons why they have come to be revered by their followers as ‘gods’. One is that their words were misunderstood by the later generations, who mistook their figurative expressions in a literal sense. Another is that the details of their lives were not preserved accurately, and therefore a great many myths have grown up around them, and their works and deeds have been much exaggerated.

How can I refute this , why is it wrong ?

The only thing I would say is that I think it is wrong to say, with regards to Christ: “misunderstood by the later generations” I think the evidence is pretty clear that his own gereration thought he was claiming to be God.–isn’t that the charge that ultimately led to his cruxification? I think I would point that out.

Now as to refuting their beliefs–if their argument is going to be–the details were not preserved accurately–I’m not sure what you can say to that as they will simply tell you, no matter how early the source document is, that it is not accurate. Can’t refute that. At the same time it can’t hurt to plant the seed regarding the documentation. I’ve never looked into it but you might take a look at the Koran and it’s manuscripts and dating etc. Possibly there is a case to be made our documentation is as reliable–so why trust one over the other?

Peace,
Mark

 

[JM3]

Yes but what I ment was What about where it says that there are myths around it and that the good works and deeds are exaggerated ? How do we know they were not exaggerated ?

You believe what Jesus said or you don’t.

John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

 

[Myqyl]

Yes but what I ment was What about where it says that there are myths around it and that the good works and deeds are exaggerated ? How do we know they were not exaggerated ?

Ahh! Now I understand the question… How do we know the accounts in the Bible are true?

Consider the cost of writing things in the 1st & 2nd century AD… It was wildly expensive. Fiction was not getting published.

Consider that the Bible places the miricles of Jesus in very specific places and mentions specific people. These were not large cities and the events would have been wittnessed by everyone in town. If they were untrue, everyone in town would have known and refuted it. They didn’t. I feel certain that Lazerus rose from the dead because if he hadn’t the story would have certainly been refuted… Same with the Wedding at Canna, etc…

Hope this helps.

God bless

 

[1ke]

What is the point of this refutation? To whom are you refuting?

 

[Chuck1]

But how do we know it hasn’t been edited to tell those stories ?

 

[choliks]

But how do we know it hasn’t been edited to tell those stories ?

Your name shouldn’t be Chuck1; it should be Thomas. I jest.

Seriously, do you need to insert your finger into Christ’s wounds to believe that everything did happen? We just need to trust and have faith that the Church didn’t err in declaring the books in the Bible to be inspired.

Why do you need to put your faith in someone else’s belief or POV about your own?