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They are a people stuck in time, physically here but mentally stuck in a rut. All because their religion prohibits them from exploring the truth out there. Islam means submission…in blindness.
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Teneas
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The Catholic Church has done some pretty horrible things throughout it’s history. I see Islam as no different in that regard. For the majority, it’s a violent way of life. Hopefully, it “matures” so to speak in time. Perhaps not. Maybe it’s the way the countries in which the majority is based that has a very real influence upon the faith. Are there good Islam followers? Sure…I can see that. Are there insane, crazy, disillusioned ones? Don’t think you have to be a genius to figure that one out either.
Unfortunately for Islam, whether at it’s core or not a peaceful religion, the world view is one based upon those that we see the most. If Islam is truly not what these terrorists or others show the world, then the Islam leaders should denounce their actions, and throw them from the faith. Not sure how they would do so, as I have little knowledge of Islam other than what I hear on the news.
Remember, we are all sinners. Even some of our prophets were horrible people before God reached out and touched them. Perhaps theirs are no different? Both sides have done things that God would cringe at…I just honestly pray that those that are now killing in the name of God, would stop. Our world is dying…and they are not helping.
Unfortunately for Islam, whether at it’s core or not a peaceful religion, the world view is one based upon those that we see the most. If Islam is truly not what these terrorists or others show the world, then the Islam leaders should denounce their actions, and throw them from the faith. Not sure how they would do so, as I have little knowledge of Islam other than what I hear on the news.
Remember, we are all sinners. Even some of our prophets were horrible people before God reached out and touched them. Perhaps theirs are no different? Both sides have done things that God would cringe at…I just honestly pray that those that are now killing in the name of God, would stop. Our world is dying…and they are not helping.
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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Islamic leaders are irrelevant. If you want to know whether or not Islam is peaceful you need to read the Qur’an.
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Charlie, even if you throw islamic terrorist dogmas out at their faces (eg. prophetofdoom.net) , those mslims who stand against terrorism will tell you that those quotes have been taken out of contexts.
Of course, what these contexts really are is anybody’s guess because the quran is itself NON-contextual when instructing her followers to slaughter non-muslims. Which also explains why some muslims buy the terrorist preaching, some don’t (majority of those living comfortably).
How do we know if Islam = Terrorism? We know because we read with eyes open. If a person is blind, then even if you show them someone resurrected from death they would spit even at his face for posing as someone he is not.
muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com
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captainmike
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many people commit violent acts in the name of islam. happens every day and will continue to happen every day from now until the end of time or until islam is no more, whichever comes first.
now, “moderate” muslims claim that the fanatics who kill in the name of islam are “misunderstanding” their religion or “misinterpreting” the koran.
but here’s the obvious question: how can we know that the fanatics are misinterpreting the koran? who within islam has the authority to say that they are doing so? moreover, isn’t it the case that many “radical” imams encourage the fanatics to commit violence? these radical imams read the same koran that the moderate muslims do, but they reach different conclusions about its meaning.
this is one of many problems i have with islam. many, many people commit the most evil acts imaginable in its name, and nobody within islam has the authority to say they are wrong. indeed, if a “moderate” imam said they were wrong, they’d just go find a “radical” imam who approves of their interpretation of the koran.
catholicism is superior. people may disagree with what the bible means, but that’s why we have a church with teaching authority. if somebody says that the bible requires us to have our young children act as suicide bombers, we have a pope and bishops acting in concert with the pope to say that the fanatic is wrong.
islam doesn’t seem to have that. as a result, the fanatics really can’t be said to be “wrong” in their interpretation of the koran. they may be in the minority (i wonder whether this is even true, frankly), but they, and their imams, are just as entitled to read and interpet the koran as are the “moderate” muslims.
islam will always produce violence. people will always kill in its name. and, as we know, the number of people who kill in its name is high, and the acts that they commit are horrific. why would anyone choose to be a part of this religion? why not choose a religion whose adherents are peaceful?
now, “moderate” muslims claim that the fanatics who kill in the name of islam are “misunderstanding” their religion or “misinterpreting” the koran.
but here’s the obvious question: how can we know that the fanatics are misinterpreting the koran? who within islam has the authority to say that they are doing so? moreover, isn’t it the case that many “radical” imams encourage the fanatics to commit violence? these radical imams read the same koran that the moderate muslims do, but they reach different conclusions about its meaning.
this is one of many problems i have with islam. many, many people commit the most evil acts imaginable in its name, and nobody within islam has the authority to say they are wrong. indeed, if a “moderate” imam said they were wrong, they’d just go find a “radical” imam who approves of their interpretation of the koran.
catholicism is superior. people may disagree with what the bible means, but that’s why we have a church with teaching authority. if somebody says that the bible requires us to have our young children act as suicide bombers, we have a pope and bishops acting in concert with the pope to say that the fanatic is wrong.
islam doesn’t seem to have that. as a result, the fanatics really can’t be said to be “wrong” in their interpretation of the koran. they may be in the minority (i wonder whether this is even true, frankly), but they, and their imams, are just as entitled to read and interpet the koran as are the “moderate” muslims.
islam will always produce violence. people will always kill in its name. and, as we know, the number of people who kill in its name is high, and the acts that they commit are horrific. why would anyone choose to be a part of this religion? why not choose a religion whose adherents are peaceful?
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captainmike
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are you going to respond to the substantive point he made? did your “prophet” really commit these atrocious acts?
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Mosacked
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Captainmike, I’m not expecting her to answer cos she’ll be opening up a huge can of worms for islam. And you made a valid point above. What really is happening is while the mujahideens are performing the true jihad of slaughtering non-muslims, some of the ‘moderates’ are pretending not to get involved yet lending a hand to these extremists when the opportunity for them arises.
So who really are the extremists?
muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com
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RomanCath379
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I seriously think you are in denial.
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RomanCath379
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Please, as a Catholic don’t compare Catholicism to Islam because there is no comparison.
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Mosacked
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Yes, that’s probably the right way to describe the mindset of such a person.
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Mosacked
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So have you found it unworthy because unfortunately there is no back-and-forth of contesting opinions since facts cannot be contested.
You probably already knew you had already hit the end of the road when you said I’ll leave when I see the end. Kind of queer isn’t it? “I’ll eat when the food arrives…and you’re already now eating it”
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Mosacked
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Islam remains ‘peaceful’ because this world is not made up entirely of intelligent people.
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spn82756
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MyzTek
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I would agree, my Lord Jesus Christ and His Church have taught me the importance and power of forgiveness. It’s not my forgiveness he should want, though; hopefully he will repent and ask God for His forgiveness. After what he did though, the state kind of has an obligation to keep him locked up until we here on earth can be certain he’s not a threat (i.e. probably never).
I can’t say with certainty what makes one a “real Muslim,” but I can say with confidence that Osama Bin Laden is not practicing Islam as I understand it.
I would agree. I have read 6 different English translations of the Quran, and what terrorists do definitely “oversteps the bounds” it sets forth.
I would agree.
I would totally agree they have been oppressed. I don’t really know about the government they want to set up.
I don’t believe any circumstances can “force” you to kill children. You always have a choice, even if that choice is unpleasant. I have learned this from my Lord, His Church, and the examples of such men as Gandhi and Dr. ML King.
I would agree Islam is not a made religion of terror just because some terrorists are Muslims, any more than Christianity is because of the KKK. The religion is involved only in that it is offered by the perpetrators as a justification for their acts, and to motivate underlings who are inclined to accept their supposed justifications.
You don’t sound too crazy to me.
Peace,
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planten
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I also agree to all of the above. What some Muslims are doing today is not islam. The Muslims have wasted a lot of time (about 100 years) in spreading the wrong idealogy of Jihad with weapons. In present times, Jihad with weapons is not valid. There is not to be any Jihad with weapons.I would agree, my Lord Jesus Christ and His Church have taught me the importance and power of forgiveness. It’s not my forgiveness he should want, though; hopefully he will repent and ask God for His forgiveness. After what he did though, the state kind of has an obligation to keep him locked up until we here on earth can be certain he’s not a threat (i.e. probably never).
I can’t say with certainty what makes one a “real Muslim,” but I can say with confidence that Osama Bin Laden is not practicing Islam as I understand it.
I would agree. I have read 6 different English translations of the Quran, and what terrorists do definitely “oversteps the bounds” it sets forth.
I would agree.
I would totally agree they have been oppressed. I don’t really know about the government they want to set up.
I don’t believe any circumstances can “force” you to kill children. You always have a choice, even if that choice is unpleasant. I have learned this from my Lord, His Church, and the examples of such men as Gandhi and Dr. ML King.
I would agree Islam is not a made religion of terror just because some terrorists are Muslims, any more than Christianity is because of the KKK. The religion is involved only in that it is offered by the perpetrators as a justification for their acts, and to motivate underlings who are inclined to accept their supposed justifications.
You don’t sound too crazy to me.
Peace,
MyzTek
But some well known Muslim leaders preached the subject and misled the poor Muslims into wrong ideas. The Muslims forgot the Jihad with Quran. Instead, they took up the Jihad with sword. That was a sin. In India, Pakistan and Egypt and few other countries, the subject of Jihad with weapons was preached.
They thought they could take on the world with weapons. There was no need and no order in Islam to do such a bad thing. So they have failed every where and brought a very bad name to Islam.
When Muslims were ignorant about many good priciples of Islam, why they took up the subject of Jihad. There was enough internal cleaning (Housekeeping) to be done for them instead of picking fights with non-Muslims.
Not only the subject of Jihad, but there were many other mistakes in the minds of the muslim clergy, such as calling all non-believers as Kafirs. There is no such teaching in Quran. A non-believer can remain non-Muslim and may do some research for the truth for whole lifetime and may never believe. As long he is calm and comfortable and peaceful, he is not a Kafir.
It appears that in the present times, it is the Muslims who are the Kafir. Any one who picks a fight for the sake of religion is a kafir. The Muslims are doing it today, in present times. They are fighting the other nations for the difference of religion. Allah is very unhappy with the so-called Muslims. He does not accept their prayers.
It is another thing that they are being beaten and killed in their own countries. That is a different thing and that has happened due to their own mistakes. Enough said.
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SHW
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Teachings in Quran:
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The Religion of Peace according to Muhammad:**
More at: wikiislam.com/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Offensive_Fighting_Mandated
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The Religion of Peace according to Muhammad:**
More about Muhammad at thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/History.htm
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KathleenGee
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My prayer for Muslims this year is that they will find the truth in Jesus Christ.
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KathleenGee
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Sister Amy,
And it bothers me, being a native Northwesterner, to see such people with your attitude coming into our lands with such proud and separate ideas of humanity…
Really, I wish I had never known about all the fighting and wars of the MIddle East and do not want it with the hatred for our people here.
I was commenting to a Palestinian woman who has American citizenship on a secular site…she called the Jews vulgar names, she started to ask me what kind of bikini I wore, etc., called me a name for respecting the Jews I have worked with… Very insulting…it put bad feelings me in and I had to remove myself from her.
I wish all those who think they are superior to people of the West, to Christianity, really, why do you come here to profit from our lands…there must be atleast a few things good in us…to make our place desirable for you to feed off…
Show respect for the natives who provide for you…don’t anticipate a Muslim America…
And it bothers me, being a native Northwesterner, to see such people with your attitude coming into our lands with such proud and separate ideas of humanity…
Really, I wish I had never known about all the fighting and wars of the MIddle East and do not want it with the hatred for our people here.
I was commenting to a Palestinian woman who has American citizenship on a secular site…she called the Jews vulgar names, she started to ask me what kind of bikini I wore, etc., called me a name for respecting the Jews I have worked with… Very insulting…it put bad feelings me in and I had to remove myself from her.
I wish all those who think they are superior to people of the West, to Christianity, really, why do you come here to profit from our lands…there must be atleast a few things good in us…to make our place desirable for you to feed off…
Show respect for the natives who provide for you…don’t anticipate a Muslim America…
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Jay53
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Just FYI, Sister Amy is an American. She is also a convert to Islam. If I remember correctly the rest of her family is Christian.
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spn82756
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That is very sad. That is what the Church means by no salvation outside the Church. To leave the one true Faith for a fraud is to bring condemnation on yourself.
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