Why Islam ?

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Islam in all its practices is an evil religion and had brought nothing to civilization. Also rattling off quotes from Dan Rather doesn’t mean this political movement is correct. Islam have brought nothing to this world except for slaver, war, terrorism, and occupations. I pray that we see the end of this cancerous plague very soon.

And may the Lord Jesus Christ protect my brothers in Iraq from the Mohammedan’s scimitars.

Anthony
 
deen said:
Already more than a billion-people strong, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion. ABCNEWS,


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“Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country.”** NEWSDAY, March 7, 1989, p.4

**“Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States…” ** NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1

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Basically, the argument is “Come on! Everyone else is doing it!”
 
deen said:
Already more than a billion-people strong, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion. ABCNEWS,


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“Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country.”** NEWSDAY, March 7, 1989, p.4

**“Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States…” ** NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1

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Basically, the argument is “Join the bandwagon!”
 
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Fitz:
It is hard to believe that any religion that keeps women enslaved, praying in separate rooms …
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To be fair, I have heard an argument that makes this specific point not-so-disturbing. We, in America, have the predisposition to believe that separate is not equal - and we have valid reason for the predisposition. It is, however, my understanding that this is not done to make them “separate”, but to keep focus on Allah during worship. Muslim men, I was told by an Imam in the Grand Mosque in Mina Sulman, Bahrain, would have a hard time keeping focus on Allah during worship with Muslim women bending over in front of them. As no one here believes that worship is a time for lust or impure thoughts, I can understand segregation as a form of keeping worship sacred. I don’t agree, but I can understand…

I invite any Muslim to correct me if I am wrong on this point.

Peace be with you,
RyanL
 
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A.Pelliccio:
Islam in all its practices is an evil religion and had brought nothing to civilization. Also rattling off quotes from Dan Rather doesn’t mean this political movement is correct. Islam have brought nothing to this world except for slaver, war, terrorism, and occupations. I pray that we see the end of this cancerous plague very soon.
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The OP placed a restriction on this thread that we should be open-minded. This post does not qualify. Please do not continue to post things like this, as it is not in keeping with the OP’s wishes.

In Christ,
RyanL
 
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Fitz:
It is hard to believe that any religion that keeps women enslaved, praying in separate rooms would be as fast growing as it is. I think that once women in the Middle East have more rights, Islam will either die out or change drastically.
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Maybe if I share the following, it will make you re-evaluate your statement.

Why are so many Women converting to Islam?

According to “The Plain Truth”, February 1984, in its 50 Year Anniversary Issue, quoting from the “World Almanac and Book of Facts 1935” and “Reader’s Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983”, between 1934 and 1984.

Christianity increased 47%
World Population increased 136%
Islam increased 235%

100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.

They’re discovering the FACTS and not basing their decisions on biased media. They realise they deserve to know the complete unadulterated truth.
  1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}.
The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Koran 7:19-25}
  1. The Bible says “The Birth of a Daughter is a loss” {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}.
The Koran says both are an Equal Blessing {Koran 42:49}
  1. The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}.
The Koran says women can argue with the Prophet {58:1}
  1. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}
The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards{Koran 30:21}
  1. In The Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit Any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}
The Koran abolished this male greed {Koran 4:22} and God protects all.
  1. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives {I Kings 11:3}
In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the wife’s permission)and prefers you marry only one wife {Koran 4:3} The Koran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.
  1. “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives” {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}
One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the rest of your life with the man who raped you.

The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:“It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)”.

Would the Non-Muslim men reading this prefer the Women they know to be Christian or Muslim?
  1. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}
 
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deen:
  1. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}
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IN CHURCH!! but that doesn’t matter, right? Did you really expect anyone to notice within that latest flood of blind proselityzation?
 
Hey! Look! I can do that, too!
Interesting Quotes about women
from the Qur’an
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                   It can be said that a religion is judged by what it says about its women. The Qur'an says much of them. 
                 All quotes from the Qur'an are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the [Qur'an                online](http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/).
**Men have more rights regarding divorce than do women
**“Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise,” (2:28)

Muslim men may marry up to four women, but no such provision is made for Muslim women.
“If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice,” (4:3).

A man’s inheritance should be a portion of two females
“Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half,” (4:11).

It is okay to beat wives
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all),” (4:34). - Oh, yeah, and the words in ( ) are added because they aren’t there in the original!

In Paradise, voluptuous women await men for sensual gratification
“In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched,” (55:56).

“We have created (their Companions) of special creation. And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), - Beloved (by nature), equal in age,- For the Companions of the Right Hand,” (56:35-38)

“Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfillment of (the heart’s) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines, And voluptuous women of equal age,” (78:31-33).
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Gee-whiz, deen, this sure does seem to be an effective method of communicating!

RyanL
 
This really sounds like a big joke to me.

First of all deen i would like to say it doesent really matter about all these stats that you are throwing at us it really matters on the Truth… bottom line. i mean millions of people dont beleave in God does that make them right? it doesent matter on who and how much people changed to islam it matters on the proof and logic on which one is right.

Now you quoted that Nuh Ha Mim Keller saying one reason he changed to islam “was the frequent changes in Catholic liturgy and ritual” right lets see what the quran says about the change of mind

“whatever communications we abrogate or forget, we bring one better than it or like it. do you not know that allah has power over all things?” (Surah 2:106)

clearly this verse states that if God forgets or abolished a verse he would replace it with another one.

now let me ask you Does God forget?
i mean words of kings dont pass away how much more are the words of God?

now what does the bible say “heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away” (Mark 13:31)

Now about the **Karla’s conversion to Islam **
“focus on one God alone. I had always had questions about Christianity’s viewing Jesus as God–and how that went against the first commandment”

obviously she did not know the basics of christianaty because "we beleave in one God who has three hypostasis, that is he has three essential attributes. he is a living God: God exists in himself, speaking by his word, and alive by his spirit. therefore , he about whom you say we worship many gods is not true but rather they are Gods essential arributes. if you accuse us of polytheism because we say that God has three essential attributes then you are more polytheistic than we are because you say that God has 99 good names.

God must have certain attributes .
He has a life and spirit and so God is alive by his spirit. therefore this life attributes of God is not extraneous to him but exists within him and not without. thus if we strip God of his Spirit he is a god without spirit and therefore a dead god like any idol or statue. in that case we cannot call him a living God. we worship a living immortal God not a dead god"

no most likely you dont think that God has a Holy spirit like all muslims now
you say that the spirit of God is Gabriel the archangel, that is the spirit of god is an angel. it follows then that God would have no spirit because his spirit is in an angel.
therefore you make the angel living and God without a spirit.
therefore, the creator is thus dead while the angel his creation lives!"

refering to the same book “how i saw the light” by john bishoy
can i add that his family are devout muslims with his father being a gradute from al-azhar islamic University. (the largest islamic University in the world) his grandfather a reciter and teacher of the Koran.
 
How I became Muslim

Monica, a former Catholic from Ecuador now living in the United States, was attracted to Islam by the peacefulness of Muslim prayer and the practical guidance Islam provides for living daily life.

Assalamu Aleykum!

I was born in a Catholic family in Ecuador. My family was never very religious. I mean, they didn’t go to church or things like that, except for my grandma whom I loved very much. However, they sent me to a Catholic high school. There, I learned about the religion and I also learned about the spiritual side of life. Years later, I had the opportunity to go to a college in the U.S. Over there, there were a good number of Muslims studying. I didn’t know anything at all about Islam at first. Sometimes I saw them performing prayers. I had never seen a prayer like that. I thought it was very peaceful, and they seemed to have so much faith while doing it. This is the first thing that attracted me to Islam. Actually, it wasn’t until I was about to come back home, when I was finishing school, that I decided to learn more about this religion. I always liked to learn about other beliefs and cultures. But this was time that I especially felt unsatisfied about Catholicism. Then, I tried to contact some people at the masjid. Finally, they led me to a sister who was teaching classes for converts at the mosque. I started attending these classes, and after a few months I decided that Islam was the religion for me. Islam, in contrast to Catholicism, seemed very pure. I mean, like it had very little influence from people. It seemed perfect. It was hard to find anything I could disagree with. Its hard for me to express the difference I felt between these two religions…I also feel that with Islam I’m sort of more guided, either by the Quran or the hadiths. Whereas, when I was Catholic, it was kind of like I had to figure out what to do in certain situation. People might think that Islam is strict, but I think that’s the way its meant to be. I mean, I feel in this way God tells us very clearly what he expects. And you don’t have to just wonder in the world looking for the truth, or the real happiness, or things like that.

Islam hasn’t been easy, I have to admit. For those coming from other religions, and for Muslims too, I’d like to say that its very important to respect others, and to learn to listen to them. One of the problems with Islam has been that Muslims have been so closed to other people, that they cant get to know us or the religion. I also think that Muslims should be more open to converts, and more respectful to them. I myself felt sometimes rejected by both groups, the Muslims and my old catholic friends. I’ve met other converts, and often they seem like they have more faith than a Muslim-born person. So, I think they deserve some credit for that. It’s very unfair to treat them as if they were not real Muslims.

Well, that’s about it. I hope I’m not missing anything.

Salam,

Mona
mgarcesb@telconet.net
 
**JOURNEY TO ISLAM **
www.thetruereligion.org

Fr. Antony was a Catholic priest in Sri Lanka. His tale of becoming a true believer and adopting a name Adulrahman for him is quite interesting. Being a Christian priest he was well versed with the teachings of the Bible. He quotes the Bible frequently as he sits to narrate his journey to Islam. While reading the Bible he found many contradictions in it. He goes on quoting verses from the Bible in Sinhalese language and points out the ambiguity.

“He quotes Esaiah 9:12 which reads like this.” And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith; I am not learned.” This verse is a prophecy towards prophet Mohammed (pbuh), because Mohammad (pubh) was an unlettered prophet and when he was an unlettered prophet and when he was asked by Angel Gabrielto read out the first divine revelation upon him he said, “I am not learned” Contrary to the Christian belief that Jesus is God, Acts 2:22 of the Holy Bible considers Jesus as a man. It says, “Ye men of Israel, hear these words, jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourself also know.”

Christianity and the other religions, do not define the prophehood according to him. Nor does Bhudda and is silent about the other prophets. Contrary to this it is compulsory in Islam to believe in all the formaer Prophets and to revere them. According to Abdulrahman this belief is quite convincing and appealing to every body.

Abdulrahman says that there is no reason for the restriction that a Roman Catholic priest cannot marry, when the priests of many other sects of Christianity can marry. Abdulrahman was pondering over the confusions of Christian belief. Meanwhile he got an Audio Cassette of a converted Christian priest Sri Lanka Shareef D Alwis. Cassettes of Ahmad Deedat also attracted him. His continuous efforts to find the truth finally resulted in reversion to Islam. Fr. George Antony

Abdulrahman, hails from the Rathnapura village of Sri Lanka. He was rendering his services as a priest in Katumayaka church. He has ten years of training of the priesthood to his credit.

He wrote letters to his mother introducing Islam. After months of studies she followed the path of her son and embraced Islam. Abdurahman’s only sister is working in Greece. His father and sister still remained Christians.

Abdurahman gave up his highly respected career as a priest for the sake of truth. He happily sacrificed all material gains for the spiritual triumph. He is now working as a trainee in Islam Presentation Committee of Kuwait.
 
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RyanL:
To be fair, I have heard an argument that makes this specific point not-so-disturbing. We, in America, have the predisposition to believe that separate is not equal - and we have valid reason for the predisposition. It is, however, my understanding that this is not done to make them “separate”, but to keep focus on Allah during worship. Muslim men, I was told by an Imam in the Grand Mosque in Mina Sulman, Bahrain, would have a hard time keeping focus on Allah during worship with Muslim women bending over in front of them. As no one here believes that worship is a time for lust or impure thoughts, I can understand segregation as a form of keeping worship sacred. I don’t agree, but I can understand…

I invite any Muslim to correct me if I am wrong on this point.

Peace be with you,
RyanL
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Ryan, I think this is sad. I believe that is what they might say, but women are second class there and I believe that this is one example. Bending over in long dresses and veils is not the same as mini skirts. I just am not buying it.
 
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Fitz:
Ryan, I think this is sad. I believe that is what they might say, but women are second class there and I believe that this is one example. Bending over in long dresses and veils is not the same as mini skirts. I just am not buying it.
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So in the west or Christian countries, using naked women or women’s beauty for all sort of advertisment does not make them second class yeah?

Call it liberation but for me it is exploitation and dishonoring of women. The fact is many women are embracing Islam EVEN in the WEST because they are treated with honor and respect. Check that stats again please to open your eyes.

peace,

deen
 
deen,

In reading your posts, a few things have struck me. First, there’s very little original thought. You spam with a zealous fervor, unmatched by anyone I have encountered recently, and I can only draw the inference that you don’t have good arguments of your own. Perhaps you will take this as a challenge to write your own material.

Second, I noticed that you have posted a conversion story from “Fr.” Anthony. In it, he quotes Esaiah 9:22 (sic), and Acts 2:22. Can I take it that you now believe that Isaiah 9 and Acts 2 are true? If yes, then great! We can finally start moving forward! If no, then I don’t know why you post what you believe are lies to support your “truth” claims. A little consistancy here would really be great.

RyanL
 
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deen:
So in the west or Christian countries, using naked women or women’s beauty for all sort of advertisment does not make them second class yeah?..
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I would agree with you that this does indeed degrade women. Please note, however, that this is a western secular value (although many countries in the east have also adopted this secular value.) This is not a Christian value.
 
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A.Pelliccio:
Islam . . . brought nothing to civilization.

Anthony
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Hi Anthony:

Have you ever studied mathematics? Have you ever wondered where we would be without:

**1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0 ? **

Have you ever wondered why these are called ARABIC NUMERALS?.

You really should give some thought to getting an education. Lots of things came to us from Islam. You’d be surprised.
 
Joseph Bilodeau:
I would agree with you that this does indeed degrade women. Please note, however, that this is a western secular value (although many countries in the east have also adopted this secular value.) This is not a Christian value.
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I know that. That’s why I am so upset because almost all my Catholic relatives have been SUCKED UP (sorry for the word) by the secular system. I believe that Islam and Christianity (particulatly Catholicism) has many similarities when it comes to promoting morals and values.

Peace to you man!

deen
 
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romano:
Hi Anthony:

Have you ever studied mathematics? Have you ever wondered where we would be without:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0 ?

Have you ever wondered why these are called ARABIC NUMERALS?.

You really should give some thought to getting an education. Lots of things came to us from Islam. You’d be surprised.
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Hey bro! What about ZERO! Without the Muslims developing it, there will be no binary number, no digital signals which are big factors in our technological achievement.

peace,

deen
 
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deen:
Hey bro! What about ZERO! Without the Muslims developing it, there will be no binary number, no digital signals which are big factors in our technological achievement.

peace,

deen
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The Aztecs invented the concept of zero, no the muslims. might wanna relook into that education.
 
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