Why Islam

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Jedda said:
Luckily my life dont revolve around a war torn country. But if someone took over america…you bet i would defend my country!
I cannot defend something that is not mine.
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The dignity of other humans is yours to defend- not just other Mohammedans. Would you defend America from Sharia law being implemented here, or would you try to implement it in America?
 
Verisimilitude said:
The dignity of other humans is yours to defend- not just other Mohammedans. Would you defend America from Sharia law being implemented here, or would you try to implement it in America?
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Todays time.
Yes, government and religion dont mix.
 
Jedda said:
Islam dont take away free will. Men who cant read or have education take away the will of others. You will find thisd in poorer families.
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You can’t have it both ways. Islam means submission to God, but submisssion as Mohamed declared what is good and what is bad. Mohamed limits Muslims Free Will, and Muslims are directed to fight until there is no more disbelief and all religion is for Allah. Unless one conforms to Islam, Mohammedans are given authority to subjugate non-Mohammedans.
 
Verisimilitude said:
You can’t have it both ways. Islam means submission to God, but submisssion as Mohamed declared what is good and what is bad. Mohamed limits Muslims Free Will, and Muslims are directed to fight until there is no more disbelief and all religion is for Allah. Unless one conforms to Islam, Mohammedans are given authority to subjugate non-Mohammedans.
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I surrender to God alone. Muhammad did not stop free will in any way. We believe he is the has prophet. Thats it.

Some people put him on a high pedestal, but that is wrong. that is not Islam. That is cultural.
 
I will say this last thing here.
muhammad spoke of how after he died muslims would disobey and not follow what he has layed out for them. And he was right. Muslims for the most part have not followed his message.
They have turned things around and have poorley treated each other. This is not Muhammads fault. It is the fault of his followers.
The message is perfect, the men are not.
 
Jedda said:
I will say this last thing here.
muhammad spoke of how after he died muslims would disobey and not follow what he has layed out for them. And he was right. Muslims for the most part have not followed his message.
They have turned things around and have poorley treated each other. This is not Muhammads fault. It is the fault of his followers.
The message is perfect, the men are not.
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Assalumulakum Jedda,

I have spent some time in study of Al-Qur’an and Hadith and I can refute your claim with historic interpretation by Islamic Scholars as well as the very example of Muhammad ibn Abdullah himself.

Many in the west who convert to Islam are taught an sanitized form of Islam and simply don’t understand it’s history and traditions. Such ignorance cannot be overlooked but must be corrected. If after you come to a full understanding of Islam and the example of Muhammad ibn Abdullah you still believe Islam is The Way of God then you will rightfully need to slay me as a Kufaar but I believe that any convert whom witnesses Islam in all it’s truth will see that it is a grave mistake to follow the example of Muhammad ibn Abdullah.

We need not look any further than the examples given us at the Battle of Badr.

Wasalaam
 
Jedda said:
I surrender to God alone. Muhammad did not stop free will in any way. We believe he is the has prophet. Thats it.

Some people put him on a high pedestal, but that is wrong. that is not Islam. That is cultural.
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If this is so, why does he have to be obeyed as if he were God??

Vickie
 
Jedda said:
Islam dont take away free will. Men who cant read or have education take away the will of others. You will find thisd in poorer families.
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You have just described the impact of Mohamed.
 
Many in the west who convert to Islam are taught an sanitized form of Islam and simply don’t understand it’s history and traditions. Such ignorance cannot be overlooked but must be corrected. If after you come to a full understanding of Islam and the example of Muhammad ibn Abdullah you still believe Islam is The Way of God then you will rightfully need to slay me as a Kufaar but I believe that any convert whom witnesses Islam in all it’s truth will see that it is a grave mistake to follow the example of Muhammad ibn Abdullah.
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Great post. The fact is that the vast majority of people are misled when it comes to Islam. It is not a religion of peace - far from it. It poses a very real threat to western civilisation, especially in Europe.

Watch this small clip about Radical Islam’s War Against The West:

obsessionthemovie.com/trailer-12min.php

This threat is VERY REAL.

This is also a good article:

Papal Aide Warns of "Islamisation of Europe"

thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1171152007
 
Jedda said:
If Jesus was GOD

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said “Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” The words “our God” indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn’t say “Your God”. He said “our God” which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said “I do nothing of myself”? Can’t GOD do anything he wills?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said “My Father (GOD) is greater than I”?If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said “Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit”?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 Jesus said “Why call me good, there is none good but One, that is GOD”?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of
crucifixion? Also see: Jesus’s crucifixion in Islam

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn’t reply when he was asked about the truth?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can’t do a single thing of his own initiative?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?

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TWO WORDS:

HOLY TRINITY
 
Islam IS one of the most deceptive religions, keep in mind people that this is the work of the devil.

Mohammed initially preached peace, initially he was a good man, he then tasted what power was and he turned into someone that liked to take advantage of people. He took child brides, he wanted to spread Islam by force, how convenient that he thought of Jesus as a great prophet and all other muslim leaders think that too? Jesus and Mohammed taught in very different ways, you can’t believe in Jesus’ way and Mohammed’s way. Jesus preached peace and love for your fellow man, he didn’t fight back, he even insisted that no one fight back for him, for he didn’t people to, if he needed people to fight back then there would have been a million angels there in a second.

An important note here is that, in both Islam and Christianity there have been horrible people, but Islam stems from Mohammed, like Christianity stems from Christ. Christ never would have allowed what some people throughout history has done in his name. But Mohammed permits these things, he lived a life of leisure, he seemed to do as he wanted to do. I don’t care how many people are going to scream jihad for me saying this, but the fact of the matter is you will never reach peace by doing what Mohammed did or taught, you will just kill each other and yourselves.

Gandhi was a much better candidate for prophet than Mohammed, he of course never said he was and he was from a totally different religion, but the main point here is peace, he did something many thought no one could, he kicked out the might of the British empire by passive resistance, he didn’t instruct his followers to fight back. In a way, Gandhi examplified one of Jesus’ teachings.
 
Jedda said:
If Jesus was GOD
Jesus Christ, anointed one, was and still is the Word made fleshas he walked the earth He called himself the son of man meaning his flesh as born of woman, but His spirit of God the Father and he said we can be sons of God after he went to be with the father as one after the resurrection and his neew flesh was glorified.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said “Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” The words “our God” indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn’t say “Your God”. He said “our God” which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.
**meaning we are now all sons of God as united with Him in the Holy Spirit, after his ascension **

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.
**after the death and resurrection and ascension
The misconceptioon is he commited suicide he sacrificed his life but as an example, an example of oour dieying to self will and it didn’t mean we are all to die on a cross needed. Oh your language gets me speaking as you speak. Many did, if I were in your Islam country I more than likely might have to but most likely not here.
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If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said “I do nothing of myself”? Can’t GOD do anything he wills?**
God is not a Hitler God was working with man’s will throughthe flesh of Jesus so you think maybe even God felt trapped in the body, think! if you were parralized and yet you wanted to move so badly to scratch your nose but nothing worked to get that felling to just be able to move your hand. Can you imagine what it must have felt like for god to be in a human obdy with a free will?**

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said “My Father (GOD) is greater than I”?If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said “Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit”?He was commending the sin of man that “it is finnished” what was finnished ? the covenant of love if we take up the cup ?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 Jesus said “Why call me good, there is none good but One, that is GOD”?**
The sin was not Jesus but that is what was nailed to the cross, darkness, Jesus only did good or the Faather’s will which was only good. Is this making any sense. Ths Son od God divinely was in Jesus after the decent ,sign,of the Holy spirit but some say from the beginning**

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of
crucifixion? **The pain was more than crucifixion it was the absolute prescence of the sin remember Adam had to leave because God only wants goodness and love in His prescence and cannot tolerate jealousy and lust and Adam wassn’t ready for this. **Also see: Jesus’s crucifixion in Islam

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn’t reply when he was asked about the truth?**
“Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice”**
It was a relunctant affirmative

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?Jesus was not at the right hand of the father yet
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?Respect!!

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can’t do a single thing of his own initiative?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?
**He spoke of himself as son of man as a human nature self praising the creator as Adam would have **

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I have to go to an anniversary thing ding hope this helps clear some misunderstanding I know you seek peac e but everyone needs it tto find in their own soul first before you can give it to others with an open hand.
Dessert
 
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