Why Isn't God "Involved" As He Was In The OT?

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Memaw said:
Oh, I think He did !! All but John died a martyr. And so did many of the early Christians too. God Bless, Memaw
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The point is the Apostles got to see and experience the miracles and the interaction with God, while we do not.

The answer that we have the Church now to be the hands and feet of Christ seems like a cop out answer. There was a Church and Temple back then too, and yet God didnt ask them to be his hands back then, he personally is alleged to have come down himself.
 
Faith1960 said:
I’m talking about HUGE things that can’t be ignored, like parting of the sea etc.
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But plenty of people now try to explain the miraculous out of those huge things like the parting of the Red Sea, saying stuff like, “Oh, the tide changed,” or “They just exaggerated. The Egyptians got stuck in the mud,” and such. A lot of modern folks won’t accept the miraculous, plain and simple.

Take the example of the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima (1917). Now I’m no expert on apparitions, but it was well documented, and there were many witnesses. But people try to explain it away, saying, “It was hot. They all were hallucinating,” etc.

St. Paul says that in this life we see things darkly, as if through glass, and in the next life I think we might be amazed at just how many events there are which we now ignore or try to explain away that are actually a result of God “getting involved.”
 
Kay_Cee said:
He is there for us in the Eucharist. That sounds incredibly involved to me.

Except for the High Priest, the ancient Jews were not allowed to enter the Holy of Holies where the Ark of the Covenant was housed. I’m allowed to do more than enter the Holy of Holies at every Mass, at every Eucharistic Adoration. I’m allowed to receive God right into my very body. That’s far more involved!
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Even the angels do not have the privilege of receiving the Eucharist.
 
GUYMAN said:
My wife (who unfortunately is still an agnostic , as I was most of my life) raised an issue yesterday that I think most of us have thought about - in the Old Testament it seemed like God was actively involved in the affairs of man. “So what happened to that God?” she asked. I think perhaps God chose the ancient Jews to reveal himself to the world, so was uniquely involved with them until the coming Christ, which changed the covenant, etc. Others would say that God continues to be involved - we are just blind to it.
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You’re talking about a couple thousand years compressed into a few books. All the silence gets squeezed out.
 
SonOfMan said:
The point is the Apostles got to see and experience the miracles and the interaction with God, while we do not.

The answer that we have the Church now to be the hands and feet of Christ seems like a cop out answer. There was a Church and Temple back then too, and yet God didnt ask them to be his hands back then, he personally is alleged to have come down himself.
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John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
 
To truly want such an intrusion is either foolish or extremely brave. Moses and the Prophets had a very heavy burden and the greatest of them, John the Baptist, was imprisoned and beheaded. The apostles were all martyred, often in horrible ways. To those who much is given, much will be required.

I pray for my easy belief at the cost of so much and not just Jesus’ death. I pray we need no more.
 
Randy_Carson said:
You’re talking about a couple thousand years compressed into a few books. All the silence gets squeezed out.
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I think that’s a lot of it. 1 Sam 3:1 makes reference to a period in young Samuel’s life when the word of the Lord was scarce and vision infrequent, so there were gaps even in OT times.
 
Spdr77 said:
I think that’s a lot of it. 1 Sam 3:1 makes reference to a period in young Samuel’s life when the word of the Lord was scarce and vision infrequent, so there were gaps even in OT times.
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It’s been thousands of years since the OT was written. Name five huge miracles that have happened since that time, not counting the miracles in the NT.
 
Faith1960 said:
It’s been thousands of years since the OT was written. Name five huge miracles that have happened since that time, not counting the miracles in the NT.
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I was just trying to point out that there were long periods of silence even back then. Providing irrefutable proof of miracles can be very difficult if the person on the receiving end is not open to the possibility of them happening (I’m not saying you’re that way). After all, even the parting of the Red Sea can be dismissed by someone if they are so inclined by saying something like “it was caused by a strong and persistent wind, prove to me that God caused that wind.”
 
Faith1960 said:
It’s been thousands of years since the OT was written. Name five huge miracles that have happened since that time, not counting the miracles in the NT.
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Jesus said:
But he answered them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign; but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
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Do you believe Him?
 
Faith1960 said:
It’s been thousands of years since the OT was written. Name five huge miracles that have happened since that time, not counting the miracles in the NT.
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Here are a few:
  1. Battle of the Milvian Bridge
  2. Juan Diego and Our Lady of Guadalupe
  3. The Battle of Lepanto
  4. Joan of Ark leading the French to victory.
  5. The Sun dancing at Fatima.
  6. US beating Russia at Lake Placid.
 
Randy_Carson said:
Here are a few:
  1. Battle of the Milvian Bridge
  2. Juan Diego and Our Lady of Guadalupe
  3. The Battle of Lepanto
  4. Joan of Ark leading the French to victory.
  5. The Sun dancing at Fatima.
  6. US beating Russia at Lake Placid.
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  1. Obama getting elected for a second term.
 
Randy_Carson said:
Here are a few:
  1. Battle of the Milvian Bridge
  2. Juan Diego and Our Lady of Guadalupe
  3. The Battle of Lepanto
  4. Joan of Ark leading the French to victory.
  5. The Sun dancing at Fatima.
  6. US beating Russia at Lake Placid.
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Thanks! But I wouldn’t include #6. 🙂
 
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