Why isn't the Church exposing Child protective services?

[Zatzat]

That’s not an excuse to steal kids from good families

Oh yes, only the best children, from the best families are stolen. Quite the racket, it’s being going on for years.

People who trash child welfare services are not to be trusted.

Is child protective services perfect? Absolutely not. Hence checks, balances and scrutiny when need be.

But to trash the entire system, talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Does child protective services deliberately remove children from good families, as if it’s another loony toon conspiracy theory that’s been hatched out of the deepest and darkest corners of the internet?

Gimme a freaking break.

 

[Zatzat]

Holes smashed into the bottoms of toilets, so that excrement can fall freely into the basement. Pad locked bedroom doors, 2 feet deep garbage completely covering the kitchen floor, canine fecal matter all over the home, a putrid odour I haven’t the words to express, neglect and alleged abuses at the hands of the childrens father…

How did these children find their escape?

The government empowered child welfare services…not a Church, not a God, but civil servants doing their best to look out for the best interests of the children.

Then I have to come to a religious forum and read about someone who claims that children are stolen from good families…

 

[revert_jen]

The Church is supposed to expose the system in the same way they expose abortion. I’m doing my part, why can’t every Catholic join me in this effoert ? It would not take long to dismantle this system, if there were more people willing. Unfortunately I do’t think there are enough people of good will, expecially judging from the responses I get in this forum…

I don’t think you can restrict “people of good will” to people who agree with you. Nobody has said that they think it’s OK for children to be kidnapped from loving and responsible parents. People seem to disagree with you about the extent of the problem and its nature, but that does not mean that they do not have the best interests of children at heart.

Personally, I have no experience with CPS. Are you suggesting that I should throw myself whole-heartedly into an effort to get rid of an organization that does have a good purpose (saving children from abuse), about which my only evidence of intentional wrongdoing on their part is:

• a youtube video I can’t see
• extracts from a report by a state senator I’ve never heard of, talking about problems in another state
• some invective on a forum

And in fact it is not the job of the Church to expose the deficiencies of government organizations. The Church’s stand on abortion is about a moral issue (abortion is murder but is however legal) not a practical issue (an organization that is supposed to be doing good work is not consistently doing so).

I’m not saying even that you are wrong about CPS, because as I have said, I wouldn’t know. But I am not convinced that intentional wrongdoing is anything like as widespread as you make it out, and I certainly haven’t been convinced that there is no need for an organization that serves a similar purpose.

I have a friend who was repeatedly sexually abused as a child (I don’t remember her exact age but I think it started when she was around 7 years old) by her mother’s boyfriend. How do you think the situation should be dealt with, given that her mother was an alcoholic, and not capable of preventing it from continuing? (My friend got lucky and was adopted by another family after a teacher at her school figured out something was wrong.) I think taking a child out of a situation like that, without waiting for an adoptive family that is looking for an abused 10-year-old, is a good thing. What do you think?

–Jen

 

[aspawloski4th]

Kidnapping hundreds of thousands of children from good families and placing them with total strangers who very often abuse them unspeakably is “a domestic issue that the Church doesn’t involve itself in ?”

All the evidence points to the fact that the CPS is not here to protect any children but to destroy as many as possible.

I believe there must be a very special place in Hell for people who let evil happen because of their willful denial

As someone who went to school with abused children for nearly 10 years Iv’e got to say if you believe there are no abused children aand CPS is not needed. You must live in a cave. Each state has its own CPS. So there is no grand cohortation to take away children from their parents. When CPS isn’t tough enough you get what happened in this article. blog.mlive.com/kzgazette/2008/02/girl_who_died_in_centreville_f.html
In you brief time here you have shown to be anti everything. Remember the church isn’t proanarchy!

 

[aspawloski4th]

The Church is supposed to expose the system in the same way they expose abortion. I’m doing my part, why can’t every Catholic join me in this effoert ? It would not take long to dismantle this system, if there were more people willing. Unfortunately I do’t think there are enough people of good will, expecially judging from the responses I get in this forum…

No ,not everyone here is for anarchy and chaos like you.

 

[lee01238]

I have a friend who was repeatedly sexually abused as a child (I don’t remember her exact age but I think it started when she was around 7 years old) by her mother’s boyfriend. How do you think the situation should be dealt with, given that her mother was an alcoholic, and not capable of preventing it from continuing? (My friend got lucky and was adopted by another family after a teacher at her school figured out something was wrong.) I think taking a child out of a situation like that, without waiting for an adoptive family that is looking for an abused 10-year-old, is a good thing. What do you think?

–Jen

I would put the boyfriend in jail or at least give him a restraining order so he would never be able to come near the child again. Instead of paying money to run CPS I’d give money directly to the mohter so that she could stay home and raise her own child. This approach would probably solve most of child abuse cases.

Also in order to remove a child it would have to be an open trial with the whole community participating (including priest, bishops, etc) not a secret family court.

 

[lee01238]

Are you suggesting that I should throw myself whole-heartedly into an effort to get rid of an organization that has a good purpose (saving children from abuse),

Yes that’s my hope for everybody.

The organization has a good purpose (saving children from abuse), only on a paper.
I absolutely believe it was started from the beginnnig for the purpose of destroying families. Why would they want to do it ? Because that’;s what their father, the devil wants. You take a child from a good Catholic family and give it to some homesexual couple to raise. After 18 years they will raise a child of hell, exactly as the Lord Jesus said: “For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are!”

This destructive system continues because of willful blindness of most Catholics and I don’t believe it’s going to change.

 

[mini_me640]

I would put the boyfriend in jail or at least give him a restraining order so he would never be able to come near the child again. Instead of paying money to run CPS I’d give money directly to the mohter so that she could stay home and raise her own child. This approach would probably solve most of child abuse cases.

Also in order to remove a child it would have to be an open trial with the whole community participating (including priest, bishops, etc) not a secret family court.

Sure, giving free money to an alcoholic mother is sure to fix everything… Parents don’t abuse children because they have to work, they abuse children because they have serious mental issues and were likely abused themselves.

What would be the way to handle this situation with no CPS?

tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article750838.ece

 

[Zatzat]

I would put the boyfriend in jail or at least give him a restraining order so he would never be able to come near the child again.

For crying out loud, do you even read your own posts?

How are you going to get a restraining order, when the courts, police and the prosecutors are all on the take and under the control of an, as of yet, unamed master power?!

Instead of paying money to run CPS I’d give money directly to the mohter so that she could stay home and raise her own child. This approach would probably solve most of child abuse cases.

Except for the cases where the child is being abused.

Also in order to remove a child it would have to be an open trial with the whole community participating (including priest, bishops, etc) not a secret family court.

What cave do you live in? Family court is open to the public.

What are you doing on this forum?

Your spreading lies, loony conspiracy theories and your accusing police officers of conspiring to cover up a murder, all to protect child protective services!

 

[Zatzat]

I absolutely believe it was started from the beginnnig for the purpose of destroying families.

Guy, what’s wrong with you?

 

[captainmike]

Guy, what’s wrong with you?

nothing wrong with him. go back and read what he posted about the law put in by clinton. you really don’t think that can create some perverse incentives?

 

[Zatzat]

nothing wrong with him. go back and read what he posted about the law put in by clinton. you really don’t think that can create some perverse incentives?

He claims all police, prosecutors and the courts are all on the take and all controlled by an all powerful comptroller…yet he’s not named this powerful entity as of yet.

On another note, he’s absolutely convinced that a bunch of local police officers, first responders, coroner, forensic identification officers conspired together when investigating a murder…

Further, child protective services were created to DESTROY families!!!

ALL IN ONE THREAD!!!

And you boldly claim nothing’s wrong with him?

 

[captainmike]

i think the gist of what he’s saying–i.e., that cps is a very problematic organization that too often snatches kids away from families and does great harm–is valid. i don’t know about the particulars of the cases he mentions and thus won’t comment on them.

never forget, our government defends the killing of 2500 innocent human beings in this country every day. it’s capable of any evil thing, and it’s naive to think otherwise.

 

[revert_jen]

I would put the boyfriend in jail or at least give him a restraining order so he would never be able to come near the child again. Instead of paying money to run CPS I’d give money directly to the mohter so that she could stay home and raise her own child. This approach would probably solve most of child abuse cases.

You think that the child should stay in the house while the cops are trying to get evidence for a restraining order or an arrest?

The mother was an alcoholic who had some idea what was going on and did not stop it. You want this person to be given money so she can stay home all day and drink? This is supposed to be an OK situation? What is to stop her from finding another boyfriend that does the same thing? Shoot, what’s to stop her from accidentally setting the house on fire and killing all of them?

I’m not saying that children are never removed inappropriately from families. If it happens, it is a great shame and should be addressed. But that doesn’t mean that the whole organization should be scrapped, but that the parts of it that are broken should be fixed.

Also in order to remove a child it would have to be an open trial with the whole community participating (including priest, bishops, etc) not a secret family court.

Do you honestly think that some poor 10-year-old girl should have to stand up in front of the whole community and talk about the sexual abuse she has been suffering? When she may have to continue living in the same community for some years after that? Is it really the business of all of the members of the community to know what has been done to her? Say, this happens and she comes to high school still in the same community. How is she going to be treated by the boys who know that she isn’t a virgin anyway? You know kids will find out, and every time the story is told, that poor girl becomes a sexual object again.

There is a difference between secret and confidential.

–Jen

 

[captainmike]

You think that the child should stay in the house while the cops are trying to get evidence for a restraining order or an arrest?

The mother was an alcoholic who had some idea what was going on and did not stop it. You want this person to be given money so she can stay home all day and drink? This is supposed to be an OK situation? What is to stop her from finding another boyfriend that does the same thing? Shoot, what’s to stop her from accidentally setting the house on fire and killing all of them?

I’m not saying that children are never removed inappropriately from families. If it happens, it is a great shame and should be addressed. But that doesn’t mean that the whole organization should be scrapped, but that the parts of it that are broken should be fixed.

Do you honestly think that some poor 10-year-old girl should have to stand up in front of the whole community and talk about the sexual abuse she has been suffering? When she may have to continue living in the same community for some years after that? Is it really the business of all of the members of the community to know what has been done to her? Say, this happens and she comes to high school still in the same community. How is she going to be treated by the boys who know that she isn’t a virgin anyway? You know kids will find out, and every time the story is told, that poor girl becomes a sexual object again.

There is a difference between secret and confidential.

–Jen

no organization like cps should have the unilateral authority to remove a kid from a home. they should have to go to court and prove to a judge that it should be done. and if the judge orders the kid removed, there should be an evidentiary hearnig–quickly–to determine whether continued removal is warranted. regarding whether kids should have to testify to a jury, i’m inclined to say that they should, even though i recognize the difficulties. to me, taking a child away from parents without just cause is the one of the greatest evils that can occur. great steps shoud be taken to ensure that it doesn’t happen. we must maintain the right of parents to raise their kids, as long as they are not abusing them. the left wants to take that right away from parents and give it to the state.

 

[Zatzat]

we must maintain the right of parents to raise their kids, as long as they are not abusing them.

That right exists today and abused children are removed from the home.

You know what else? The parents who sexually and physically abuse their kids…you betcha, they do have the right to contest the removal of those children in a court of a law and guess what, there’ll be defense lawyers lined up waiting to take their case.

Do you have any idea how the current system even works???

Do you realize that children are only removed from the home when the child’s health and safety is imminently at risk of harm?

The problem with the internet, is that facts are distorted and anyone can make a 10 minute youtube video with which to distort real life.

 

[Zatzat]

they should have to go to court and prove to a judge

Hmmmm, let’s take a loot at what they OP said about the Courts…

The police have no reason to fear losing their jobs because they are completely controled by the same people who run the media, courts, gov’t and everything else including CPS.

Sounds pretty ominous.

 

[mini_me640]

This giant conspiracy reminds me of one of my favorite movie quotes…

"Well it’s a well know fact, sonny Jim, that there’s a group of the five wealthiest people in the world known as the pentaverate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers. And meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion known as, the Meadows.

So who’s in this pentaverate?

The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettes, The Rothchilds and Col. Sanders before he went tets up. Oh, I hated the Col. with his wee beady eyes, and that smug look on his face, Oh you’re gonna buy my chicken, Oohh. "

 

[St_Francis]

Kidnapping hundreds of thousands of children from good families and placing them with total strangers who very often abuse them unspeakably is “a domestic issue that the Church doesn’t involve itself in ?”

All the evidence points to the fact that the CPS is not here to protect any children but to destroy as many as possible.

I believe there must be a very special place in Hell for people who let evil happen because of their willful denial

I don’t think you understand how the Church works. The Pope doesn’t find out about a problem and then send in his minions…

*People, *individual Catholics, see a problem and they themselves start working on it. Mother Teresa, St Francis of Assisi, St Vincent de Paul, each saw a need and set out to fill it. And then they were joined by others, and then there was a regular traditional part of the Church. But it was all started by just one or a few people.

I have heard of problems in Georgia, and I have heard of abuses in other states as well. But not all CPS offices are like the very worst. If you want to do something, do it. But don’t expect the Church, which is not in the police business, to do it.

 

[revert_jen]

to me, taking a child away from parents without just cause is the one of the greatest evils that can occur. great steps shoud be taken to ensure that it doesn’t happen. we must maintain the right of parents to raise their kids, as long as they are not abusing them. the left wants to take that right away from parents and give it to the state.

Nobody who knows me is likely to accuse me of being on the left. I think homeschooling is great, and I think that parents should mostly be left alone to raise their kids in peace. However, I disagree with you that the rights of the parents trump the rights of the children. Taking a child away without just cause is a great evil. But to me it is still far down the list from permitting a child to continue to be sexually abused. In the case of physical abuse, every day the child is left in the home, the chances that the child will be killed before he/she can be rescued increase. You seem to think that it is worth it for a child to continue to be physically or sexually abused while a court is found (and who exactly is supposed to be bringing the charges, anyway?) to take the child out of that evil situation. I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

–Jen