Why isn't the Church exposing Child protective services?

[Humbled1]

Nobody who knows me is likely to accuse me of being on the left. I think homeschooling is great, and I think that parents should mostly be left alone to raise their kids in peace. However, I disagree with you that the rights of the parents trump the rights of the children. Taking a child away without just cause is a great evil. But to me it is still far down the list from permitting a child to continue to be sexually abused. In the case of physical abuse, every day the child is left in the home, the chances that the child will be killed before he/she can be rescued increase. You seem to think that it is worth it for a child to continue to be physically or sexually abused while a court is found (and who exactly is supposed to be bringing the charges, anyway?) to take the child out of that evil situation. I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

–Jen

Ah, but there are those of us who have seen children taken away (temporarily, thank the Lord!) for things as simple as because their parents homeschooled or they had more children than the norm. These parents had to jump through numerous hoops and over countless hurdles to get their children back. Thankfully, the parents were well educated and able to afford good attorneys, so no wool was pulled over their eyes. I have seen the ‘system’ out of control, and so now understand why some people fear the CPS.

And yet so many people brush off these parents’ experiences because they got their children back… and all’s well that end well.

No, real reform needs to happen. The children of this country deserve better.

 

[Ceil-1]

QUOTE=mini_me640;6472047]This giant conspiracy reminds me of one of my favorite movie quotes…

"Well it’s a well know fact, sonny Jim, that there’s a group of the five wealthiest people in the world known as the pentaverate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers. And meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion known as, the Meadows.

So who’s in this pentaverate?

The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettes, The Rothchilds and Col. Sanders before he went tets up. Oh, I hated the Col. with his wee beady eyes, and that smug look on his face, Oh you’re gonna buy my chicken, Oohh. "

“Dad, how can anybody not like… the Colonel?”

“Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes you crave for it nightly…smartass!”



Yes, there are times when children need to be removed.

But, lately, it has gotten out of hand.

I had a baby who was taken b/c goofy dad left him in the car at the mall. I understand a fine, and not allowing the child to ride with him for a while. But, they arrested the mom (working inside the mall at the time, supposedly), and the baby didn’t get returned for a month. That was b/c mom had a good lawyer and convinced the judge she had nothing to do with it. I do not agree with that, though, babies have died, left in cars. There has to be due cause, and there is a hearing, but not until the kids are in the system. If the state became less careful, and more authoritative, it could begin to really cause damage. Give an inch, they’ll take a mile, that is the problem.

 

[lee01238]

Nobody who knows me is likely to accuse me of being on the left. I think homeschooling is great, and I think that parents should mostly be left alone to raise their kids in peace. However, I disagree with you that the rights of the parents trump the rights of the children. Taking a child away without just cause is a great evil. But to me it is still far down the list from permitting a child to continue to be sexually abused. In the case of physical abuse, every day the child is left in the home, the chances that the child will be killed before he/she can be rescued increase. You seem to think that it is worth it for a child to continue to be physically or sexually abused while a court is found (and who exactly is supposed to be bringing the charges, anyway?) to take the child out of that evil situation. I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

–Jen

I can’t believe you’d make this comment. Did I not make it clear that the VAST majority of the kids are literally stolen for no good reason at all. There is no abuse or anything like that involved at all, just false charges To them things like not vaccinating, homeschooling, giving homebirth, etc… are cases of abuse. That’s why they do it in secret family courts beacuse they know that in the real court with a jury they would never get a conviction…
Also how about the sexual and physical abuses that are going on in government foster
homes which according to most statistics are at least 6 times more abusive then the general population ? Does this even bother you at all ? There is this sickening evil mind set among many people nowadays that is totally unwilling to believe (and do something about) any wrongdoing by the government agencies. These people are in constant state of willful denial and that’s why evil can flourish.

 

[mini_me640]

I can’t believe you’d make this comment. Did I not make it clear that the VAST majority of the kids are literally stolen for no good reason at all. There is no abuse or anything like that involved at all, just false charges To them things like not vaccinating, homeschooling, giving homebirth, etc… are cases of abuse. That’s why they do it in secret family courts beacuse they know that in the real court with a jury they would never get a conviction…
Also how about the sexual and physical abuses that are going on in government foster
homes which according to most statistics are at least 6 times more abusive then the general population ? Does this even bother you at all ? There is this sickening evil mind set among many people nowadays that is totally unwilling to believe (and do something about) any wrongdoing by the government agencies. These people are in constant state of willful denial and that’s why evil can flourish.

Do you have any evidence for the statement that the “VAST majority” of kids are stolen for “no good reason at all”?

 

[lee01238]

Do you have any evidence for the statement that the “VAST majority” of kids are stolen for “no good reason at all”?

yes see

cpscrimes.tripod.com
massoutrage.com

there is so much more then the above 2 links

 

[mini_me640]

yes see

cpscrimes.tripod.com
massoutrage.com

there is so much more then the above 2 links

I don’t think these prove that the vast majority of children are snatched for no reason. Certainly there are errors and gross mishandlings in the system, I won’t disagree with that, but I don’t find any evidence that the “vast majority” are taken by CPS for no good reason.

 

[lee01238]

I don’t think these prove that the vast majority of children are snatched for no reason. Certainly there are errors and gross mishandlings in the system, I won’t disagree with that, but I don’t find any evidence that the “vast majority” are taken by CPS for no good reason.

That’s because you choose not to see it. The same thing happened to the Pharasees, they simply chose not to believe in Jesus in spite of the overwhelming evidence.

 

[aspawloski4th]

That’s because you choose not to see it. The same thing happened to the Pharasees, they simply chose not to believe in Jesus in spite of the overwhelming evidence.

No we just choose not to believe you. You show a big problem with authority and talk like an anarchist.

 

[mini_me640]

That’s because you choose not to see it. The same thing happened to the Pharasees, they simply chose not to believe in Jesus in spite of the overwhelming evidence.

A couple of websites with a specific anti-government agenda hardly constitute overwhelming evidence. Studies? Real statistics? Not just parents who say my kids got taken for no reason. I know child abusers who say they didn’t abuse their children. Does that mean they didn’t? Hardly. I can find websites that rattle off “evidence” for almost anything. We didn’t land on the moon. George Bush planned 9-11.

And don’t flatter yourself - Jesus you aren’t.

 

[revert_jen]

Ah, but there are those of us who have seen children taken away (temporarily, thank the Lord!) for things as simple as because their parents homeschooled or they had more children than the norm. These parents had to jump through numerous hoops and over countless hurdles to get their children back.

Certainly if this is happening it should be stopped. Quite possibly CPS is worse in other states than here, or maybe the people I know have just been lucky. I am very happy that the people you know were successful in getting their children back, and sorry that the children had to go through such a painful and confusing ordeal.

I haven’t denied that there are abuses happening. What I have said is that I do not personally have evidence that CPS as a whole is working with bad motives, and that I need more evidence than someone I don’t even know just telling me it is so, before I work to have CPS abolished.

No, real reform needs to happen. The children of this country deserve better.

I am not arguing that no reform is necessary. I am arguing that some organization like CPS is necessary (even if its powers need to be limited to situations where clear harm can be reasonably expected), and that children should not have to describe their sexual abuse in public. Also, that the rights of parents to raise their children however they want are not more important than the rights of children not to be sexually and physically abused. I felt from reading the OP’s posts that he/she was more concerned with parents’ rights than children’s rights, and that forcing a sexually abused child to describe her abuse in a public court was an acceptable price to pay to assure the parents’ rights. I disagree.

–Jen