Why Isn't The Vatican More Proactive Against Prominent Catholic Politicans Who Support Abortion?

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And, not only these professed Catholic politicians, but certain members of the clergy as well.
One name that comes to mind is the outspoken Father Daniel Maguire, a pro-choice Catholic priest.

What gives?:confused:
 
Vasian said:
And, not only these professed Catholic politicians, but certain members of the clergy as well.
One name that comes to mind is the outspoken Father Daniel Maguire, a pro-choice Catholic priest.

What gives?:confused:
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He is not a priest anymore.

I am seeing the Pope and Bishops come out against pro choice Catholic politicians. I only hope they keep driving that stance home.
 
People commonly think of the Church as purely hierarchical with every aspect under direct control of the Pope. But that’s just not the case. Bishops don’t speak to the Pope every day; they make an ad limina visit every 5 years. Each bishop is pastor of his own diocese; each pastor is head of his own parish, subject to overall supervision. But it is a much flatter organization than, say, Google or the U.S. Government. It is up to priests and bishops and individual Catholics to be proactive.
 
JimG said:
People commonly think of the Church as purely hierarchical with every aspect under direct control of the Pope. But that’s just not the case. Bishops don’t speak to the Pope every day; they make an ad limina visit every 5 years. Each bishop is pastor of his own diocese; each pastor is head of his own parish, subject to overall supervision. But it is a much flatter organization than, say, Google or the U.S. Government. It is up to priests and bishops and** individual Catholics** to be proactive.
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IMHO it would be prudent for the Vatican itself to at least be more proactive against those that are so public with their radical, and in my opinion divisive, and subversive to the faith positions.
 
It is an extremely difficult position for the Church. Pastors from the Pope down are obliged of necessity to recognise unofficially that the majority of their nominal flock in the developed world are both scarcely Christian and frankly and openly resistant to any attempt by the Church to teach in areas touching on sex, sexual morality or the consequences of sexual activity among them pregnancy.

It seems they try to balance the need to teach the truth with the perceived necessity to keep millions at least tenuously related to the life of the Church. I sense a toughening recently and that is a necessary rebalancing but it will always be difficult balancing the teachings of the Church with the de fact protestantismad n resistance to catechesis of many of its soi disant members.
 
Vasian said:
And, not only these professed Catholic politicians, but certain members of the clergy as well.
One name that comes to mind is the outspoken Father Daniel Maguire, a pro-choice Catholic priest.

What gives?:confused:
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what do you suggest, burning at the stake?
 
puzzleannie said:
what do you suggest, burning at the stake?
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Sarcasm, correct?😃

Perhaps a public statement by the Church as to Pelosi’s actions are her own that because she has/is promoting something so vile that is in direct conflict the Church and Christ like principles she, until a time that she may recant, she cannot receive the sacraments?
Something along those lines…

I see you’ve been here a long time… Over 25,000 posts.

What would you suggest?
 
Clearly such a clear position of opposition to the Church may in fact be grounds for excommunication as well?
 
I thought the Vatican has clearly stated its position on Pro-Choice Catholic Politicians, however, some bishops choose not to adhere to the Vatican directive.
 
Vasian said:
IMHO it would be prudent for the Vatican itself to at least be more proactive against those that are so public with their radical, and in my opinion divisive, and subversive to the faith positions.
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**Perhaps there is Infinite prudence in letting these poor, misguided hypocrites reveal their ignorance in public & on record, so they & we can all learn from their failures!

Jesus is perfect beauty, both God, & man, yet the vast majority of people who lived & heard Him preach did not believe! Did Jesus excommunicate them? No, He allowed them to learn from their imperfection to become more perfect by His love. **

**Even the thief on the Cross was Mercifully granted Paradise by Jesus because he repented & believed, better late than never!

“And he said to Jesus: Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom. And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee: This day thou shalt be with me in paradise.” (Lk 23:42-43)

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!**

mark
 
Mark77 said:
**Perhaps there is Infinite prudence in letting these poor, misguided hypocrites reveal their ignorance in public & on record, so they & we can all learn from their failures!

Jesus is perfect beauty, both God, & man, yet the vast majority of people who lived & heard Him preach did not believe! Did Jesus excommunicate them? No, He allowed them to learn from their imperfection to become more perfect by His love. **

**Even the thief on the Cross was Mercifully granted Paradise by Jesus because he repented & believed, better late than never!

“And he said to Jesus: Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom. And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee: This day thou shalt be with me in paradise.” (Lk 23:42-43)

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!**

mark
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Respectfully, that is the point of excommunication.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
 
That is the responsibility of the bishops in the United States, not the Vatican.
 
I don’t get why Preists don’t talk about abortion during sermens. All I hear is boring love one and other messages . Well part of loving one and other is protesting abortion and debunking the lies that pro-choice people tell. I wish I’d go to church and hear a presit talk about how 29 women died affter taking Ru486. I think it would be espcially effective if the church would put more focus on cases where women were hurt by abortion.

I think if the church forced preists to read lifenews.com, operationrescue.org and incorporate the news headlines in to their gosples, than more people would come to church on sundays. Father Pavone should be given a bigger role in crafting the message. He’s the best.
 
The Vatican has made its position known, but it is the responsibility of the American Bishops and the Priests to lead here in the U.S. It is also our responsibility as lay people to do our part. We have to pray including at Right to Life gatherings in Washington DC and wherever they are held in our states and communities. We are also called to vote, with an educated conscience, based upon the teachings of the Catholic Church. I would like to see the Bishops take a more vocal stance, but in some cases the secular media tends to take these reports and twist them to their own wishes. I would also remind each of us that in many cases people excommunicate themselves by their own actions, no formal action is necessary.
 
1believer1 said:
The Vatican has made its position known, but it is the responsibility of the American Bishops and the Priests to lead here in the U.S. It is also our responsibility as lay people to do our part. We have to pray including at Right to Life gatherings in Washington DC and wherever they are held in our states and communities. We are also called to vote, with an educated conscience, based upon the teachings of the Catholic Church. I would like to see the Bishops take a more vocal stance, but in some cases the secular media tends to take these reports and twist them to their own wishes. I would also remind each of us that in many cases people excommunicate themselves by their own actions, no formal action is necessary.
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Anyone knowledgable regarding Catholic teachings would be aware of the self excommuniction aspect when one disregards Church teachings. But those outside the Faith see only the actions of the unfaithful and inaction of our Bishops and wonder why there is no reprimand for those publically challenging the tenents of the Church. To me, this gives scandal for which there is no excuse.
 
1believer1 said:
The Vatican has made its position known, but it is the responsibility of the American Bishops and the Priests to lead here in the U.S. It is also our responsibility as lay people to do our part. We have to pray including at Right to Life gatherings in Washington DC and wherever they are held in our states and communities. We are also called to vote, with an educated conscience, based upon the teachings of the Catholic Church. I would like to see the Bishops take a more vocal stance, but in some cases the secular media tends to take these reports and twist them to their own wishes. I would also remind each of us that in many cases people excommunicate themselves by their own actions, no formal action is necessary.
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Vasian said:
None, whatsoever?
Are you sure?
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The Vatican chooses the iron hand within the soft glove. The Bishops and other members of the hierarchy could be publically reprimanded, but this could cause more public divisveness, just as when dealing with the laity, public pols. or anyone else. The Vatican has its back to the wall unless it is willing to start a very public split.

I think the Vatican is praying that those in the hierarchary who are dissident will be drawn back within the folds of the Church.
 
elts1956 said:
Anyone knowledgable regarding Catholic teachings would be aware of the self excommuniction aspect when one disregards Church teachings. But those outside the Faith see only the actions of the unfaithful and inaction of our Bishops and wonder why there is no reprimand for those publically challenging the tenents of the Church. To me, this gives scandal for which there is no excuse.
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Amen.
That is my primary concern.
It looks to the world as of the Church is being indifferent.
Not a good thing.
We pray for the best to be done.
 
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