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devonsams
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Why jesus did not say anything about slavery in order to prevent the slavery of the africans centuries later and so on?
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dmar198
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First, Jesus said to listen to the Church and the Church forbade African slavery when it began. But Spain and Portugal didn’t listen.Why jesus did not say anything about slavery in order to prevent the slavery of the africans centuries later and so on?
Second, St. Paul condemned the slave trade in advance in 1 Timothy 1:10 - “for slave traders and liars and perjurers…[are] contrary to sound doctrine." Even with the Bible explicitly condemning the slave trade, Spain and Portal still didn’t listen. If it had come from the mouth of Jesus, they wouldn’t have done anything differently than what they did, because they weren’t following the Bible anyway.
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Jon_S_1
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He may have…it’s just not written down. Jesus said and did much more than is written.Why jesus did not say anything about slavery in order to prevent the slavery of the africans centuries later and so on?
This might be a good point to bring up when people say “Jesus didn’t say a single thing about gay marriage”
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Hans_W
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One basic concept of Christianity, and I think Jesus made that pretty clear, is that all human are equal. This is quite opposite of the prevailing religions of the time.
Being equal automatically condemns slavery, racism, apartheid, male superiority etc.
Being equal automatically condemns slavery, racism, apartheid, male superiority etc.
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DavidFilmer
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Jesus did not need to preemptively teach about chattel slavery (and abortion, and drug abuse, and contraception, and whatever else may come along - genetic designer babies, for example).Why jesus did not say anything about slavery in order to prevent the slavery of the africans centuries later and so on?
He left a living Church that can teach with his own authority. His Church has taught about all of these things. “He who hears you, hears me, and he who rejects you rejects the one who sent me.” (Luke 10:16)
Can you imagine Jesus trying to explain genetics 2000 years ago? But the Church can do it today, when people are able to grasp the teaching.
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Billy_Buescher
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Hi,
What do you mean by slavery?
I am a slave to Christ, which is not a bad thing.
If you mean that someone owns another person permently that is against Gods’ word, that was stated in the OT:
Exo 21:2 When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.
Exo 21:3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him.
(Deu 15:12) "If your brother, a Hebrew man or a Hebrew woman, is sold to you, he shall serve you six years, and in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you.
(Deu 15:13) And when you let him go free from you, you shall not let him go empty-handed.
A slave back then was also considered a servant. There are laws from God concerning slavery. It looks like to me, a slave was under contract for so many years, was more a job for them.
Bill:shrug:
What do you mean by slavery?
I am a slave to Christ, which is not a bad thing.
If you mean that someone owns another person permently that is against Gods’ word, that was stated in the OT:
Exo 21:2 When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.
Exo 21:3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him.
(Deu 15:12) "If your brother, a Hebrew man or a Hebrew woman, is sold to you, he shall serve you six years, and in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you.
(Deu 15:13) And when you let him go free from you, you shall not let him go empty-handed.
A slave back then was also considered a servant. There are laws from God concerning slavery. It looks like to me, a slave was under contract for so many years, was more a job for them.
Bill:shrug:
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arnoldoe
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It is only against keeping Hebrew slaves forever.Hi,
What do you mean by slavery?
I am a slave to Christ, which is not a bad thing.
If you mean that someone owns another person permently that is against Gods’ word, that was stated in the OT:
Exo 21:2 When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.
Exo 21:3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him.
(Deu 15:12) "If your brother, a Hebrew man or a Hebrew woman, is sold to you, he shall serve you six years, and in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you.
(Deu 15:13) And when you let him go free from you, you shall not let him go empty-handed.
A slave back then was also considered a servant. There are laws from God concerning slavery. It looks like to me, a slave was under contract for so many years, was more a job for them.
Bill:shrug:
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mikeeh
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He kind of spoke about it. If everyone followed what he said their would not been slavery.
24 A dispute also arose among them as to which one of them was to be regarded as the greatest. 25 But he said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. 26 But not so with you; rather the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.
Luke 22:24-27
24 A dispute also arose among them as to which one of them was to be regarded as the greatest. 25 But he said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. 26 But not so with you; rather the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.
Luke 22:24-27
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Abu
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Israel was the chosen nation, and the other peoples were not. If they were circumcised, then the servants themselves were considered Israelites, via “adoption.” In other words, nothing better could happen to a pagan than to be made a servant in Israel.
While God allowed divorce, slavery, and polygamy, none of these were positively commanded by God. For instance, in Exodus 21:2, the Sacred Scripture says: “If thou buy a Hebrew servant, six years shall he serve thee; in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.” Note here that God is not commanding the Israelites to have slaves (servants). Rather, He is merely implicitly permitting them to have slaves. The verse here talks about the regulation of slaves and therefore is an implicit endorsement of slavery. But this is a far cry from God commanding the Israelites to have slaves.
What is referred to in other translations as “slaves” is more correctly rendered as “servants,” as the Douay Bible has it. When we 21st century people think of slaves and slavery, what comes to mind right away is the horrible atrocities committed by white men against blacks in the United States mostly during the 1800’s. But this is not the kind of slavery we read about in the Sacred Scriptures. God asked the Israelites to treat their servants well. Also, as pointed out in Leviticus 22: 10-11, the servants or slaves had some privileges which even some Israelites did not.
In Ephesians 6:5, 8 Paul is often quoted eagerly, but very seldom ver. 9: “Masters, do the same to them, and forbear threatening, knowing that He who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no, partiality with Him.” This equality before God encouraged the early Church to convert slaves – Pope Callistus (d. 236) had been a slave. With the demise of the Roman empire, the embrace of those in slavery continued and only ordination to the priesthood was denied.
“Priests urged owners to free their slaves, and by the seventh century there was considerable evidence of unions of free men and female slaves. In 649 Clovis II, king of the Franks, married his British slave Clotilda. After his death, Clotilda campaigned to halt the slave trade and to redeem those in slavery. On her death she was declared a saint by the Church.
“By the ninth century Charlemagne opposed slavery and the pope and many influential clerics strove for the freedom of slaves. During the eleventh century both St Wulfstan and St Anselm campaigned to remove the last vestiges of slavery from most of Christendom.”
See: *A Matter of Justice *By Mario Derksen
catholicapologetics.info/morality/deathpenalty/punishment.htm
It was not until the 15th century, and with growing frequency from the 16th to the 19th centuries, that racial slavery as we know it became a major problem. It is this form of servitude that is called to mind when we think today of the institution of slavery, and is the type which was to prevail in parts of the New World for over four centuries.
While God allowed divorce, slavery, and polygamy, none of these were positively commanded by God. For instance, in Exodus 21:2, the Sacred Scripture says: “If thou buy a Hebrew servant, six years shall he serve thee; in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.” Note here that God is not commanding the Israelites to have slaves (servants). Rather, He is merely implicitly permitting them to have slaves. The verse here talks about the regulation of slaves and therefore is an implicit endorsement of slavery. But this is a far cry from God commanding the Israelites to have slaves.
What is referred to in other translations as “slaves” is more correctly rendered as “servants,” as the Douay Bible has it. When we 21st century people think of slaves and slavery, what comes to mind right away is the horrible atrocities committed by white men against blacks in the United States mostly during the 1800’s. But this is not the kind of slavery we read about in the Sacred Scriptures. God asked the Israelites to treat their servants well. Also, as pointed out in Leviticus 22: 10-11, the servants or slaves had some privileges which even some Israelites did not.
In Ephesians 6:5, 8 Paul is often quoted eagerly, but very seldom ver. 9: “Masters, do the same to them, and forbear threatening, knowing that He who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no, partiality with Him.” This equality before God encouraged the early Church to convert slaves – Pope Callistus (d. 236) had been a slave. With the demise of the Roman empire, the embrace of those in slavery continued and only ordination to the priesthood was denied.
“Priests urged owners to free their slaves, and by the seventh century there was considerable evidence of unions of free men and female slaves. In 649 Clovis II, king of the Franks, married his British slave Clotilda. After his death, Clotilda campaigned to halt the slave trade and to redeem those in slavery. On her death she was declared a saint by the Church.
“By the ninth century Charlemagne opposed slavery and the pope and many influential clerics strove for the freedom of slaves. During the eleventh century both St Wulfstan and St Anselm campaigned to remove the last vestiges of slavery from most of Christendom.”
See: *A Matter of Justice *By Mario Derksen
catholicapologetics.info/morality/deathpenalty/punishment.htm
It was not until the 15th century, and with growing frequency from the 16th to the 19th centuries, that racial slavery as we know it became a major problem. It is this form of servitude that is called to mind when we think today of the institution of slavery, and is the type which was to prevail in parts of the New World for over four centuries.
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sadiebelle
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He did, didn’t he? In Ephesians he tells slaves to obey their masters.
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