Why Jesus over Lord Krishna?

[openmind77]

What gives Jesus the edge of authority over someone like Krishna if you were to compare the both of them. …

Why do you find the need to compare these two persons? The question only comes up if the two - Jesus and Krishna said something contradictory and you were trying to decide which one to follow.

As far as I know, there is no such contradiction, so you could just follow what Jesus says and not worry about Krishna at all. I think it is best for most Catholics like you, to just ignore beings like Krishna, Jesus should be adequate for your needs.

But in case you are still curious, here is an explanation: God sends an Avatar or a ‘Son of God’ periodically to Earth to act as a Savior. In fact, he sends such a ‘Son of God’ for each Age defined by the signs of the zodiac (each age is about 2000 years long).

The previous such ‘Sons of God’:

• Age of Leo - Hermes Trismegistus
• Age of Cancer- Hercules
• Age of Gemini - Rama
• Age of Taurus - Mithra
• Age of Aries - Krishna
• Age of Pisces - Jesus

 

[Gorgias]

A Catholic discussion forum has to ask why Jesus should be lorded over Krishna and you wonder why I should take umbrage at the thought?

Yes, I do. All sorts of questions are fielded here, most of them asked in good faith. This strikes me as one such question. We could answer it… or we could mock it. Your choice.

Perhaps the word “Catholic” should be removed from this site. I do not believe that you will find in the collected works and writings of the Catholic Church a discourse on why we worship Jesus Christ instead of Krishna, Zeus or Buddha. I wonder at your reaction to my objection to such a proposal.

My reaction? It’s this: go back and re-read Acts 17.

Christians aren’t afraid to evangelize, even in the context of foreign concepts.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

You just stated the difference, Krishna was a god posing in the flesh, Jesus was truly God and man. Jesus lived as a man in all things except sin and this was for the redemption of humanity. Jesus wept, he suffered and experienced shame and humiliation and torture for our sakes. Krishna did not save us from our sins, Jesus did.

 

[e_c]

There are at least 3 things one would expect God to do if He is coming to earth. Live an upstanding life (meh for Krishna), work miracles (okay for Krishna), and sufficiently pre-announce His arrival (oops for Krishna).

Also, the Hindu texts are not historical pieces (at least for the most part). The Gospels and epistles are, since they are appealing to people’s witnessed experiences.

 

[e_c]

Why do you find the need to compare these two persons? The question only comes up if the two - Jesus and Krishna said something contradictory and you were trying to decide which one to follow.

As far as I know, there is no such contradiction, so you could just follow what Jesus says and not worry about Krishna at all. I think it is best for most Catholics like you, to just ignore beings like Krishna, Jesus should be adequate for your needs.

But in case you are still curious, here is an explanation: God sends an Avatar or a ‘Son of God’ periodically to Earth to act as a Savior. In fact, he sends such a ‘Son of God’ for each Age defined by the signs of the zodiac (each age is about 2000 years long).

The previous such ‘Sons of God’:

• Age of Leo - Hermes Trismegistus
• Age of Cancer- Hercules
• Age of Gemini - Rama
• Age of Taurus - Mithra
• Age of Aries - Krishna
• Age of Pisces - Jesus

You should be pretty excited then, huh. We’re due for another “Son of God” any day now.

It’s intellectually dishonest to be religiously syncretic. Next!

 

[openmind77]

You should be pretty excited then, huh. We’re due for another “Son of God” any day now.

Exactly! In fact, I think it will be the same as the Muslim Mahdi.

What I am afraid of is the way non-Muslims will react to this event.

It will be very difficult for non-Muslims (Hindus included) to accept a Muslim ‘Son of God’

It’s intellectually dishonest to be religiously syncretic. Next!

As you please.

 

[Tim_D]

Christians aren’t afraid to evangelize, even in the context of foreign concepts.

Should it be necessary to “evangelize” one who lists himself as “catholic,” yet wonder why we worship/adore Jesus and not “Lord” Krishna? Something went terribly wrong somewhere.

 

[Ben_Sinner]

Should it be necessary to “evangelize” one who lists himself as “catholic,” yet wonder why we worship/adore Jesus and not “Lord” Krishna? Something went terribly wrong somewhere.

I capitalize ‘Lord’ out of respect for Hindus.

I don’t live by blind faith, which a “Catholic” isn’t supposed to do anyway. That’s why I ask the questions.

 

[TonyBS]

I capitalize ‘Lord’ out of respect for Hindus.

I don’t live by blind faith, which a “Catholic” isn’t supposed to do anyway. That’s why I ask the questions.

Ben it was a good question as well. You ask the question because finding the Oneness of God is the aim of Faith.

The answer would lay with Progressive Revelation. By accepting Christ you have again Accepted the Word of God revealed in the Age it was Given. This Word was also Given by Krishna. God never leaves us alone and it is up to us to find the connection between His Revealed Word.

To me by accepting Jesus the Christ you have accepted the Word given by Krishna. As openmind has said, both foretell of a time all the world is waiting for, when that Word will Return.

Regards Tony

 

[e_c]

No fair reading of the Gospels allows for “Progressive Revelation” as such. The verses and ideas resonant with the Tanakh that contradict that notion are more than numerous…

Y’all are just as dogmatic and doctrinal and “closed” as us Christians. You refuse to admit that certain religions are WRONG in themselves and are therefore entirely false as religions per se.

 

[openmind77]

No fair reading of the Gospels allows for “Progressive Revelation” as such. The verses and ideas resonant with the Tanakh that contradict that notion are more than numerous…

Y’all are just as dogmatic and doctrinal and “closed” as us Christians. You refuse to admit that certain religions are WRONG in themselves and are therefore entirely false as religions per se.

It is very strange to say that accepting all religions is being ‘dogmatic’ or ‘closed’.

But this assumption that your own religion is the only true one, can cause great disappointment when the truth is revealed. Both the Mahdi and Jesus are expected to return to the world very soon and that is when the truth will be known. But these two ‘Sons of God’ will come for all people, not just for their specific religions.

The Mahdi will not necessarily show preference for muslims, he will treat all religions alike - so even muslims will be very upset and disappointed.

Same goes for Jesus when he returns - he will treat people of all religions alike, that too will cause great disappointment for people who expect to be shown preference.

 

[TonyBS]

No fair reading of the Gospels allows for “Progressive Revelation” as such. The verses and ideas resonant with the Tanakh that contradict that notion are more than numerous…

Y’all are just as dogmatic and doctrinal and “closed” as us Christians. You refuse to admit that certain religions are WRONG in themselves and are therefore entirely false as religions per se.

There are Parables that show Progressive Revelation would you like to explore them or is The case closed?

A new thread may be needed, unless by exploring progressive revelation we can then examine if that Lord Krishna was also a God Given Revelation and thus He and Christ are in fact United as One.

Regards Tony

 

[Confiteor_Deo]

It is very strange to say that accepting all religions is being ‘dogmatic’ or ‘closed’.

But this assumption that your own religion is the only true one, can cause great disappointment when the truth is revealed. Both the Mahdi and Jesus are expected to return to the world very soon and that is when the truth will be known. But these two ‘Sons of God’ will come for all people, not just for their specific religions.

The Mahdi will not necessarily show preference for muslims, he will treat all religions alike - so even muslims will be very upset and disappointed.

Same goes for Jesus when he returns - he will treat people of all religions alike, that too will cause great disappointment for people who expect to be shown preference.

Our Lord will not treat all people the same during the general judgment as if their religions didn’t matter. The truth has already been revealed and is held in its entirety in the Catholic Church.

 

[openmind77]

Our Lord will not treat all people the same during the general judgment as if their religions didn’t matter. The truth has already been revealed and is held in its entirety in the Catholic Church.

I don’t think that the first time Jesus came, he checked around to see who was Jewish and who was not, all humans were the same to him. I think that is how he will act the second time also.

But good luck with you assumptions, I hope you won’t be disappointed.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

I don’t think that the first time Jesus came, he checked around to see who was Jewish and who was not, all humans were the same to him. I think that is how he will act the second time also.

But good luck with you assumptions, I hope you won’t be disappointed.

The Gospel according to Matthew 15:21-28

At that time, Jesus went to the district of Tyre and Sidon. And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and cried, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon.” But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, “Send her away, for she is crying after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” And he answered, “It is not fair to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed instantly.

Jesus did treat people differently during his ministry. It was the Canaanite woman’s humility at not being part of the chosen people, not being the one specifically to whom Jesus was sent at the time, that made him heal her. If that was the case during the first time Jesus came and we are told that when Christ returns he will divide the sheep and the goats and judge the world and everyone on earth will bend their knee to him, then how do you determine that Christ will not treat people differently? He very much will.

Jesus counted faith in him as something necessary. Jesus still counts faith in him as something necessary. Does Krishna?

 

[TonyBS]

The Gospel according to Matthew 15:21-28

At that time, Jesus went to the district of Tyre and Sidon. And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and cried, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon.” But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, “Send her away, for she is crying after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” And he answered, “It is not fair to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed instantly.

Jesus did treat people differently during his ministry. It was the Canaanite woman’s humility at not being part of the chosen people, not being the one specifically to whom Jesus was sent at the time, that made him heal her. If that was the case during the first time Jesus came and we are told that when Christ returns he will divide the sheep and the goats and judge the world and everyone on earth will bend their knee to him, then how do you determine that Christ will not treat people differently? He very much will.

Jesus counted faith in him as something necessary. Jesus still counts faith in him as something necessary. Does Krishna?

It can be said that a Manifestation treats all as equal, it is ones owns actions that moves them towards the Light or away from the Light of the Manifestation.

Humanity is divided between the sheep and the goats, but it is us that make the choice of being of the sheep or the goats

As Jesus Said “” Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.”

Regards Tony

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

It can be said that a Manifestation treats all as equal, it is ones owns actions that moves them towards the Light or away from the Light of the Manifestation.

Humanity is divided between the sheep and the goats, but it is us that make the choice of being of the sheep or the goats

As Jesus Said “” Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.”

Regards Tony

He called her great because of her humility in comparing herself to a dog, which was true. She was a gentile, she had not received the promises afforded with the old covenant, she had not received a faith in the one true God. This was the sermon reading for the day yesterday and my priest said something that is quite true, that when we lower ourselves we make ourselves higher and that is what the gentile woman did. So Christ did treat her differently, yet on account of her humility in recognising her position, Christ (who is compassionate) healed her.

Christ will judge people when he returns and he will divide the sheep from the goats, something which certainly hasn’t happened now.

 

[TonyBS]

He called her great because of her humility in comparing herself to a dog, which was true. She was a gentile, she had not received the promises afforded with the old covenant, she had not received a faith in the one true God. This was the sermon reading for the day yesterday and my priest said something that is quite true, that when we lower ourselves we make ourselves higher and that is what the gentile woman did. So Christ did treat her differently, yet on account of her humility in recognising her position, Christ (who is compassionate) healed her.

Christ will judge people when he returns and he will divide the sheep from the goats, something which certainly hasn’t happened now.

It takes Humility to see, Humility that we know very little Indeed a lot less than we thought we might know

But it is also a gift and the heart must be ready for it.

Regards Tony

 

[openmind77]

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Jesus did treat people differently during his ministry. It was the Canaanite woman’s humility at not being part of the chosen people, not being the one specifically to whom Jesus was sent at the time, that made him heal her. If that was the case during the first time Jesus came and we are told that when Christ returns he will divide the sheep and the goats and judge the world and everyone on earth will bend their knee to him, then how do you determine that Christ will not treat people differently? He very much will.

Jesus counted faith in him as something necessary. Jesus still counts faith in him as something necessary. Does Krishna?

I said the Jesus would not treat people differently on the basis of their religions, but on the basis of their conduct he definitely will.

Of course he has already said he would divide people into goats and sheep on the basis of Matthew 25:35-40. The separation will happen based on their attitude to the poor and hungry, to the sick and those in need of healthcare, to welcoming strangers/immigrants and being kind to those in prison. But this criteria for separation applies to everyone equally. It does not depend on their religion.

No Krishna does ask for any faith in himself personally.

 

[josephback]

It’s intellectually dishonest to be religiously syncretic. Next!

I’m not Hindu but I just want to point out that religious syncretism is not “dishonest” in Hinduism. For a Hindu, “more is more and more is better.” The Hindu mind is dualistic (atman is brahman) and thus not so interested in making sure that all the stories about different gods are logically compatible in the way a devout Catholic or other monotheist would be. Some gods like Brahma and Vishnu mutually created each other according to Hinduism. This is why Hindus are perfectly willing to accept Jesus as a God (specifically an avatar of Vishnu) but not as the God. One doesn’t have to agree with this, but understanding it avoids projecting unto others a Western conception of psychology.