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worldcitizen
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Exactly!! Wonderful example and so tru but misunderstood by Buddhists.
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Techno2000
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We have something similar to Karma in Catholicism, its call… Heaven, Hell and Purgatory.
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worldcitizen
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Galatians 6:7We have something similar to Karma in Catholicism, its call… Heaven, Hell and Purgatory.
for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. = Karma
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Techno2000
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Right, so now we can see how Karma is a half-truth.
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Servant19
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Techno2000
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That’s Karma for you…
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Matt_Guitar_Man
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God becoming fully humane in Jesus is the fulleness of gods revelation. This is what makes Christianity the completion of Gods revelation, none of the other world religions have this.
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worldcitizen
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Diesnt it say God is Spirit?
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ericc
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What did Krishna did for the world that merit worship? He didn’t die for us. Christ did. Krishna did a lot of killing, Christ none. Christ was meek and humble and suffered for us. Krishna lived the life of royalty and had many wives and children.
Unfortunately comparisons done this way is not meaningful. We believe in one God. Which unfortunately for Krishna, mean we have no room for other gods. Whereas the other has many other gods to choose and supplement.
Therefore, for one who must discern the “greatness” of the 2 choices must study the message and moral thought of these 2 men and decide who is worthy of worship. The caste system already is a major stumbling block. For Christ, his Love for us and capacity for forgiveness is supreme.
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worldcitizen
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You will need to do both material and spiritual research. You will find that every Manifestation of God had a ‘golden age’ and you can find the Hindu golden age in wiki and other places.
In very old religions like Hinduism a lot of the original teachings have been lost and a lot of practices have crept in that were nothing to do with the original teachings such as the caste system.
Originally, like all Manifestations of God Krishna taught one God and to do good and this had a great spiritual affect on Indians even today but as religion declines it needs to be renewed and thus Krishna has stated in the Baghavad-Gita …
“In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.” (chap. 4)
Krishna also taught things like karma and that we are not our body but are eternal soul or spirit that only uses the body like a vehicle. Reincarnation was not an original teaching taught by Krishna but a superstition that crept in later as did idol worship.
A virtuous life, to be good, holy, saintly and pure. You can do more research.
In very old religions like Hinduism a lot of the original teachings have been lost and a lot of practices have crept in that were nothing to do with the original teachings such as the caste system.
Originally, like all Manifestations of God Krishna taught one God and to do good and this had a great spiritual affect on Indians even today but as religion declines it needs to be renewed and thus Krishna has stated in the Baghavad-Gita …
“In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.” (chap. 4)
Krishna also taught things like karma and that we are not our body but are eternal soul or spirit that only uses the body like a vehicle. Reincarnation was not an original teaching taught by Krishna but a superstition that crept in later as did idol worship.
A virtuous life, to be good, holy, saintly and pure. You can do more research.
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openmind77
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I totally agree with you. There is no reason for you to even consider Krishna, Jesus should be more than enough to meet all your needs. So you should just forget that you ever heard about Krishna.
The problem is that once you get hung up on this dogma that there can only be One Son of God, what will you do when another Son of God (who is not Jesus) shows up?
Muslims are expecting the Imam Mahdi, a Messenger/Manifestation of God any day now. Jesus will return too, but maybe a few years later after the Mahdi appears.
Are you then going to reject the next Son of God - the Mahdi? Are you going to resist or fight his followers? What if some Church leaders accept this Mahdi? Are you going to fight them?
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ericc
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Aha! Christ already foresaw that and warn us of false prophets. If another were to bring another gospel that is contrary to his, that will be the anti-Christ I suppose. There is only one Son of God. Those who claim to be gods or additional sons of Gods and with enough tricks up their sleeves to pass off as gods, I guess will have to fight that out among themselves. That is not our realm. Our responsibility is to worship God and no other gods. Thousands of years ago, the Israelites were presented with the God of Abraham or Baal. Some chose Baal to their demise.
Many will follow the anti-Christ. All that has been prophesied. Those who wants to follow the latest fad is their choice. Fortunately for us, we have a Church that has been guaranteed by Christ himself to hold off the devil. When Christ comes again, that will be the end of the world. There won’t be any advance warnings or sending of scouting agents ahead on behalf of Christ. There won’t be a John the Baptist equivalent. No one knows the day or time of his second coming. If other churches or church leaders were to abandon the Church or to ignore the Bible and to hang around the Mahdis of the world, that is their choice. But they can not be said not to have been forewarned.
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Vic_Taltrees_UK
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Who is “hung up” is their own affair. Every one of us must look to themselves.
Would you use your individual initiative and discretion based on the merits of the situation to “fight” (in any sense) anybody, whether Mahdies, non-Mahdies, etc?
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Vic_Taltrees_UK
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It’s plenty fine to know as much as we like about Krishna! Post 112 is good on the subject.
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worldcitizen
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The Promised One has already come. Christ has already returned and His New Name is Baha’u’llah and the entire world is in the process of accepting Him.
But those with huge and massive vested interests like billions of followers will insist it’s anti Christ and false and the word of false prophets like they accused Christ before. No different.
Scoffers will deny and scoff. Do people honestly think leaders of religion are going to give up billions of their congregation to Christ when He returns? They’d crucify Christ again and will oppose Him as they see it is against their interests. No religious leaders will accept Christ’s return but will be the first ones to oppose Him.
Every eye shall see Him refers to spiritual as as it is said Let Him that has eyes let Him see.
2PE3.3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2PE3.4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
But those with huge and massive vested interests like billions of followers will insist it’s anti Christ and false and the word of false prophets like they accused Christ before. No different.
Scoffers will deny and scoff. Do people honestly think leaders of religion are going to give up billions of their congregation to Christ when He returns? They’d crucify Christ again and will oppose Him as they see it is against their interests. No religious leaders will accept Christ’s return but will be the first ones to oppose Him.
Every eye shall see Him refers to spiritual as as it is said Let Him that has eyes let Him see.
2PE3.3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2PE3.4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
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IgnatianPhilo
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Tony, I laid out the evidence as to why Christ is owed greater fealty. For one thing, he demanded it (unlike Krishna), Jesus is our creator and without him nothing was made that was made (Krishna is not your creator), Jesus is the sole cause of our salvation and us being able to be reconciled with God through his sacrifice on the cross (Krishna is not). That last point however is important because Hindu’s and Bahai have to deny it, despite that being what is in the New testament.
Let’s ask two important questions.
What do I lack in not worshipping or adoring Krishna? Nothing. In that my status before God is unaffected because Krishna is not necessary.
What do I lack in not worshipping and adoring Christ? Everything. If I deny or do not recognise Christ, his incarnation and sacrifice for sins, then salvation very probably eludes me. If I do not look at Christ, I am not looking towards God but towards something else.
In this discussion we have been taking for granted the authority of the New testament, Christian, Bahai and Hindu. The New testament speaks as to how Christ is greater than Moses, specifically in Hebrews. Moses gave to the Jews the Law and was closer to God than anyone before him, so much so that scriptures says he saw the back of God. Yet the New testament goes one step further and tells us Jesus is greater than Moses, Moses being a faithful servant, Jesus being the builder of God’s household.
How does the argument for Krishna in that context make any sense? Moses was not worthy of worship, he was in fact a man who erred (when he disobeyed God in Numbers 20). Moses was greater than Krishna and Jesus is more necessary than anyone before and after him by virtue of him being the redeemer and reconciler of God and Man.
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Vic_Taltrees_UK
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It was claimed on his behalf. Which does not at all prevent us taking those words on their merits.
When Vishnu comes back, will he bring an even better Paraclete?
Religious truth is like my friend’s flat - he “couldn’t find his car logbook” - it’s “in there somewhere”!
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Servant19
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LolIt was claimed on his behalf. Which does not at all prevent us taking those words on their merits.
When Vishnu comes back, will he bring an even better Paraclete?
Religious truth is like my friend’s flat - he “couldn’t find his car logbook” - it’s “in there somewhere”!
Excellent analogy Vic!!
If we look with an intention to find commonality and unity between religions we will find it in abundance.
For me, at least, there is no doubt that all the worlds major global religions Coke from the one same God
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openmind77
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I personally would not fight anyone even if I did not believe in him. But there are many in the world today who are gearing up to fight ‘false’ Messengers, anti-Christs etc.
If a muslim Mahdi or ‘Son of God’ appears many Christians may think they need to ‘fight’ him and his followers. Even some Muslims may believe he is a false Messiah and think they need to ‘fight’. In some cases, this could lead to violence. Such violence has already been predicted.
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