We don’t believe you can wash away sin, as if it never happened. The consequences of the transgression do not simply disappear. This would be true wether or not we still had a system of sacrifices.Are you saying your sins are covered but not washed? Without a blood sacrifice there is no cleansing.
Sin leads to death. In the passover a lamb was to be sacrificed and the blood was applied over the doorposts. Without blood their is no atonement. Jesus Christ is that sacrificial passover lamb. He died so that your sins could be forgiven and death would passover you. Jesus made a way that you could enter into heaven. There is no other way. Jesus said that no one can come to the Father but through Me.
So what do you do with it all? Carry it around with you everywhere you go? When you are angry and hurt a brother, later regret it, you just carry that with you all the day? That’s a heavy load to bear all right. That is too bad. Which is why I guess Jesus said His burden was light.
Tell that to Christ. If we are to follow his example, then we should teach the Gospel to the Jews.
Let’s look at what Christ says:Matthew 5:17-20 (NIV)
No. I believe I answered this. We engage in the process of Teshuva. We recognize our transgression, are truly sorry for it, seek forgivness from Hashem and those we have transgressed against, and, if and when the same situation presents itself, I behave in a way that does not result in breaking the commandment.
So a question for you. There is no doubt that Mary, Joseph and Jesus were Jews. No doubt at all that they were familiar with the Torah and Hebrew teachings. No doubt that they made the necessary observances such as presenting in the temple and the Passover. Jesus purportedly made his bar mitzvah. Was found among the rabbis at the temple. Also considered a rabbi.
I’m not sure if it was in this thread, but I have stated that theJewish mindset in the 1st century was such that, nothing Jesus is reported to have done should have resulted in the call for his death. The only thing I can think of is that there is a missing piece from the Gospels. The most likely explanation is that Jesus would have been accused of blasphemy, although none of his actions would constitute blasphey under Jewish law. What may have happened is that he attributed the miracles he engaged in to his divine person, instead of God, or that he used God’s true name in public. This would be a big no-no.
Or perhaps Jesus truly is the Son of God, God’s Gift to mankind. Don’t forget to include that in your considerations.
Our Gospels are quite clear in that yes. They claim that the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy as He claimed to be the Son of God. So can you explain, then, since that is exactly why we say he was crucified, why do the Jews find his claim to be the Son fo God blasphemous? Were they not searching and looking for a messiah and are they not still? You see, this is exactly why I am confused by the Jews objection to Jesus. It seems he was the answer to their prayers.
I was asked for my opinion as a Jew, I believe. But let’s look at that for a moment. What is the reason that the son of God would want to abollish the commandments? The covenant with the Jews is, according to both your “OT” and our Torah, eternal. Even if Jesus is God, it doesn’t make sense that he would require Jews to abandon Torah.
Jesus says himself that he did not come to abolish the commandments (see below for the quote), but he also says that the Law in and of itself is not complete. To this day, Jews are still waiting for the Messiah, no? Shouldn’t that also be a sign that after the Torah something was left unfinished?
No. The messiah we wait for is not the same concept as the Christian messiah. He is not a divine being, but a leader who will usher in an era of peace, rebuild the Temple, bring all the Jews back to Israel, etc.
Yes, the parousia.
That link is to a jewish messainac perspective. I didn’t read it and I know they try to seperate themselves from Jews for Jesus, but I personally would not look to that link for a jewish perspective.
Jesus never required the abolishment of the Commandments. I don’t know where you got that idea. He Himself was under the law and was a truly observant Jew. When I go to confession, I use the ten commandments as my guide to conscience. Jesus never abolished the commandments. What he did was fulfill those commandments with empathy. God before Christ was not revealed as an empathetic God. He was the God of the law- the commandments. One kept the commandments or else. With Christ, God empathises with human weakness and folly. He becomes a God in the New testament- still upholding the law and the commandments- but it is tempered with mercy, charity, compassion and forgiveness. Whoever said Jesus told the Jews to abandon the Torah? He upheld the Torah, but made it clear that transgressions were part of the human condition and humans needed to be treated with dignity, respect and charity. This is why yes, he would pick corn on the Sabbath- if people needed to eat. Or heal on the Sabbath if someone was sick. What is the better thing? To let someone suffer terribly a suffering that could easily be alleviated just because the alleviation needs to be done on the Sabbath? Jesus came to tell us that God does not put the law, the Torah, the commandments ahead of the dire needs of his people, or ahead of mercy. He wants us to observe the Sabbath, but not if by observing the Sabbath we allow someone to suffer needlessly. This is just one example of the difference.
No. I can’t explain that. That is why I think something must be missing from the Gospels. Because Jews would not call for the death of someone for saying they were the son of God. Keep in mind, however, the jewish messiah is not anything like a God in flesh. He is a man and not divine. Also, there really is nothing in Christian scripture that definitevly shows that Jesus publicaly claimed he was the messiah, so it is really incorrect to say the Jews rejected him. At most any rejection would have been passive. more later. gotta run.