Why John the baptist doubted Jesus?

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First of all, it’s “Magisterium” and not “Magistratium” (hmm, sounds like a good name for a heavy metal band :))

Second, reading the Bible “literally” without an understanding of what the Church and the Church Fathers have taught is fraught with dangers. Does Jesus want us to hate our parents (Luke 14)? Does God predestine people to damnation (Romans 9)? Did Mary have other children besides Jesus (Matthew 12)? These few examples illustrate that your approach to this question is erroneous. 😛
Don’t go by the literal,direct and commonly understood meaning of the verses,it is dangerous etc are already heard excuses and the trick stand exposed now.Out of about 31,000 verses in the bible can you say which are the verses for which we should not go by the direct meaning ? In the whole of Genesis, perhaps the verses in the beginning of chapter 1 containg the word ‘day’ ?(after finding it out, just one or two centuries back, that the world could not have been created in 6 days and so taking the literal /direct meaning of ‘day’would be ‘dangerous’.)
By the way,what exactly is the theology/’ magisterium’ /ccc/church teaching in the matter ? I still don’t believe that it will ignore the literal and direct meaning of the verses.
 
Don’t go by the literal,direct and commonly understood meaning of the verses,it is dangerous etc are already heard excuses and the trick stand exposed now.Out of about 31,000 verses in the bible can you say which are the verses for which we should not go by the direct meaning ? In the whole of Genesis, perhaps the verses in the beginning of chapter 1 containg the word ‘day’ ?(after finding it out, just one or two centuries back, that the world could not have been created in 6 days and so taking the literal /direct meaning of ‘day’would be ‘dangerous’.)
By the way,what exactly is the theology/’ magisterium’ /ccc/church teaching in the matter ? I still don’t believe that it will ignore the literal and direct meaning of the verses.
Well, if you want to believe that St. John the Baptist (about whom Jesus said “there was no man born of woman greater than him”) had grave doubts about the identity of the Christ, then you’re entitled to your belief.

Moving on. 🙂
 
Well, if you want to believe that St. John the Baptist (about whom Jesus said “there was no man born of woman greater than him”) had grave doubts about the identity of the Christ, then you’re entitled to your belief.

Moving on. 🙂
He also said, “The least in the Kingdom is greater than he.”
 
Saint Matthew’s Gospel was written to a Jewish audience in the hopes of converting them to Christ. To show them that JTB, himself looked as a saviour by the Jewish people, was even less than they could be in the Kingdom of Heaven, I’m sure, had to be eye opening.

Again, I can see this as JTB directing his apostles to go and follow Jesus because with JTB in prison, I can see his apostles going bonkers. John, like Mary in Cana, is saying, “Do whatever he tells you to do.”
 
I started this thread out of the genuine doubt as to why JBT doubted Jesus.Most of the responses are that he never doubted and that the enquiry was meant for his followers.Few said that he doubted because of the circumstances he was in.In view of the clear cut verses I could not buy the first argument and I searched net.I have found an excellent article in the matter with convincing details. It is worth reading again and again which I have done . My doubts are cleared now. I reproduce the article which is available in the link desiringgod.org/articles/john-the-baptists-doubt
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NOVEMBER 9, 2012

John the Baptist’s Doubt

Article by Jon Bloom Topic: Fear & Anxiety

Are you struggling with doubts in the middle of painful circumstances? So did John the Baptist. As he sat in Herod Antipas’s prison waiting likely execution, he was afflicted with doubts about Jesus.

“Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?”

This was a surprising question coming from John the Baptist.

It’s unclear exactly when John first consciously knew that Jesus was the Son of God, whose way he had come to prepare. The Apostle John quotes him as saying, “I myself did not know him” (John 1:31) around the time he baptized Jesus.

This is remarkable because John’s mother, Elizabeth, had known. She knew because John announced it to her in utero by leaping when she heard Mary’s voice. Was she not allowed to tell him? We don’t know. Regardless, John had known even before he knew.

What is clear is that when the revelation came it was an overwhelming experience for John. That day, when Jesus approached him at the Jordan near Bethany, John couldn’t contain the shout: “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” With awe and trembling hands he had baptized his Lord. And then saw the Spirit descend and remain on him.

That day had also marked the beginning of the end of his ministry. From that point he had joyfully directed people away from himself to follow Jesus. And they had.

Now he sat in Antipas’ filthy prison. He had expected this. Prophets who rebuke sinful kings usually do not fare well. Unfortunately, he had not been an exception. Herodias wanted him dead. John could see no reason why she would be denied her wish.

What he hadn’t expected was to be tormented by such oppressive doubts and fears. Since the Jordan, John had not doubted that Jesus was the Christ. But stuck alone in this putrid cell he was assaulted by horrible, accusing thoughts.

What if he had been wrong? There had been many false prophets in Israel. What made him so sure that he wasn’t one? What if he had led thousands astray?

There had been false messiahs. What if Jesus was just another? So far Jesus’ ministry wasn’t exactly what John had always imagined the Messiah’s would look like. Could this imprisonment be God’s judgment?

It felt as if God had left him and the devil himself had taken his place. He tried to recall all the prophecies and signs that had seemed so clear to him before. But it was difficult to think straight. Comfort just wouldn’t stick to his soul. Doubts buzzed around his brain like the flies around his face.

The thought of being executed for the sake of righteousness and justice he could bear. But he could not bear the thought that he might have been wrong about Jesus. His one task was to prepare the way of the Lord. If he had gotten that wrong, his ministry, his life, was in vain.

But even with his doubts, there remained in John a deep, unshakable trust in Jesus. Jesus would tell him the truth. He just needed to hear from him again.

So he sent two of his closest disciples to ask Jesus, “Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?”

The affection that radiated from Jesus was palpable. Jesus was familiar with John’s sorrows and grief and the satanic storms that break on the saints when they are weak and alone. He loved John.

So he invited John’s faithful friends to sit near him as he healed many and delivered many from demonic prisons.

Then he turned to them with kind tears glistening in his eyes and said, “Tell John what you have seen and heard: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them.” John would recognize Isaiah’s prophecy in those words. This promise would bring the peace John needed to sustain him for the few difficult days he had remaining.

Out of love for his friend, Jesus didn’t include Isaiah’s phrase “proclaim liberty to the captives.” John would understand.

When Jesus had sent John’s disciples away, he said something stunning about John: no one born of women had ever been greater. This, right after John questioned who Jesus was.

In this age, even the greatest, strongest saints experience deep darkness. None of us are spared sorrow or satanic oppression. Most of us suffer agonizing affliction at some point. Most of us will experience seasons when we feel as if we’ve been abandoned. Most of us will die hard deaths.

The Savior does not break the bruised reed. He hears our pleas for help and is patient with our doubts. He does not condemn us. He has paid completely for any sin that is exposed in our pain.

He does not always answer with the speed we desire, nor is his answer always the deliverance we hope for. But he will alwayssend the help that is needed. His grace will always be sufficient for those who trust him. The hope we taste in the promises we trust will often be the sweetest thing we experience in this age. And his reward will be beyond our imagination.

In John’s darkness and pain Jesus sent a promise to sustain John’s faith. He will do the same for you.
 
Nice article Joseie.

I particularly liked “So he invited John’s faithful friends to sit near him as he healed many and delivered many from demonic prisons.”
God ensured that John’s disciples would personally witness Jesus’ fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy (Isaiah 35:5-6). Perhaps God even allowed John’s faith to waiver (if that is what happened) precisely so John would send his disciples Jesus.
 
The Messiah had come, yet John’s disciples were clinging to him out of loyalty. As John said of Jesus, “He must increase, I must decrease.”
The reason John posed the question as he did, and why Jesus answered as He did, was purely for the benefit of John’s disciples. They needed to understand themselves and make the choice themselves to leave John and follow Jesus. If John simply told them to go follow Jesus, they would have still been doing it out of loyalty to John and not out of their own heartfelt desire to follow Christ. They had to choose freely, and the wisdom and sensitivity by which Jesus and John provide the circumstances whereby they are completely free to make such a choice is truly beautiful to behold.
 
Which part?
About John being in doubt. It comes from a very superficial reading of scripture. It wouldn’t be the first time a lovely and edifying sermon was built on an incorrect understanding of scripture.
 
But incorrect, nevertheless.
Very cruel remark. Incidentally today is the feast of the nativity of JBT.During the mass when the priest told this and in brief about JBT, I got convinced that only the holy spirit guided me to find this article on the most appropriate day.Thank you holy spirit;thank you Jesus !
 
I suggest if people want clarification they should read what the Church Fathers have written on this passage.
St John Chrysostom would be a good start.
 
The Messiah had come, yet John’s disciples were clinging to him out of loyalty. As John said of Jesus, “He must increase, I must decrease.”
The reason John posed the question as he did, and why Jesus answered as He did, was purely for the benefit of John’s disciples.
I’m not denying that understanding; it is certainly one put forward by Church leaders. But there are other understandings also.

The following site is a link to Aquinas’ “Catena Aurea” on Matthew 11. He gives quotes of the writings of Church fathers and other leaders on the verse.

dhspriory.org/thomas/english/CAMatthew.htm#11

It is not unusual for very saintly people to undergo “attacks” of their faith – strong temptations to doubt. St. Therese of Lisieux certainly experienced it. It’s possible that John could have experienced something similar. If so, God had His reasons for allowing it.
Also it could have been a combination – John being assailed with attacks on his faith and his desiring for his disciples to have contact with Jesus and become His followers.
 
About John being in doubt. It comes from a very superficial reading of scripture. It wouldn’t be the first time a lovely and edifying sermon was built on an incorrect understanding of scripture.
Jesus’ answer is directed to John. So yeah, John did doubt Jesus.
 
Jesus’ answer is directed to John. So yeah, John did doubt Jesus.
You haven’t read St John Chrysostom’s sermon, have you :rolleyes:
You obviously have a much better understanding than one of the greatest bishops the Church has been blessed to be served by.
 
My doubts already cleared( post no 25) .I could get an excellent and convincing article in the matter ,quite accidently, on the day of the feast of the nativity of JBT itself(24-6-16).
 
My doubts already cleared( post no 25) .I could get an excellent and convincing article in the matter ,quite accidently, on the day of the feast of the nativity of JBT itself(24-6-16).
Curious that you accept the word of a Baptist over that of a Catholic bishop
 
Curious that you accept the word of a Baptist over that of a Catholic bishop
Let us not completly close our eyes against different views in the matter.As said by monicad in the post just above there is no problem in that view.JBT need not have been perfect.Even Peter waivered.
By the way which part of the article you found it to be offensive against catholic faith?.Only that it was not a catholic biship’s view?Any serious problem for church or catholics if that view is accepted ?As pointed in many posts in this thread ,the direct,clear and literal meaning of the verses is that the query and reply was meant for JBT only. It is the attempt to interpret it differently that we have to look with suspicion.
 
Let us not completly close our eyes against different views in the matter.As said by monicad in the post just above there is no problem in that view.JBT need not have been perfect.Even Peter waivered.
By the way which part of the article you found it to be offensive against catholic faith?.Only that it was not a catholic biship’s view?Any serious problem for church or catholics if that view is accepted ?As pointed in many posts in this thread ,the direct,clear and literal meaning of the verses is that the query and reply was meant for JBT only. It is the attempt to interpret it differently that we have to look with suspicion.
Most Protestant denominations are based on the ‘direct, clear and literal’ meaning of scriptures, as they understand them 🤷
 
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