"Why Males need initiation"

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The following was in my parish sunday bulletin- I was hoping to get some thoughts on it from anyone familiar with this kind of thing:

“All men interested in their own spiritual formation and growth are invited to tehis event. Information about the upcoming Texas Men’s Rites of Passage event with Richard Rohr will be shared, and Initiated Men who have done the Rites will be present to discuss what it has meant for them. Whether you are a man interested in the Men’s Rites of Passage, or simply looking to learn more about male spirituality, join us.”

I didn’t think I needed any kind of “Rite” or “Initiation” outside of the Sacraments-what’s this all about?
 
Making a public commitment, in the hopes it’ll help, make a person change a behavior to something better. Everyone desires to be better, sometimes it nice to have that extra push.

Knights of the Columbus does the same.
 
believe me there is not similarity in what KC does and what Richard Rohr does, other than that men participate in both. see other threads on this priest and his work
 
jman507 said:
Making a public commitment, in the hopes it’ll help, make a person change a behavior to something better. Everyone desires to be better, sometimes it nice to have that extra push.

Knights of the Columbus does the same.
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I think there’s a big difference between what you just said and the language of “Rite of Initiation”

If a person is Catholic, they have been initiated through and in the Sacraments, and re-affirm that initiation when they participate in the Sacraments. I’ve already been initiated into the Church-are these people initiating me into something outside of the Church?

I’d be less skeptical of their intentions if they called it something other than “Rites of Initiation”, which sounds like some kind of sacramental imitation.
 
Anything spearheaded by Fr. Rohr (the leading Catholic exponent of the New Age Enneagram fad) has got to be bad news. Stay away. Stay FAR away.
 
Fidelis said:
Anything spearheaded by Fr. Rohr (the leading Catholic exponent of the New Age Enneagram fad) has got to be bad news. Stay away. Stay FAR away.
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Can you point me toward some clear information on Fr. Rohr? Maybe something short, simple and direct that I could give to some people I know that are planning on going to this?
 
Oscarthecat said:
Can you point me toward some clear information on Fr. Rohr? Maybe something short, simple and direct that I could give to some people I know that are planning on going to this?
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Please see the link in post #5:
“And then beginning with the elders I lead them through an extended meditation. . . . I invite them to lie down in what is, for the male, the most vulnerable position — on his back. Then the other men surround them and cradle their bodies and especially touch and lay hands on and pray over those places where the man holds wounds…”
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fix said:
Please see the link in post #5:

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“And then beginning with the elders I lead them through an extended meditation. . . . I invite them to lie down in what is, for the male, the most vulnerable position — on his back. Then the other men surround them and cradle their bodies and especially touch and lay hands on and pray over those places where the man holds wounds…”
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Ewwwww!! :eek:
 
Fidelis said:
Ewwwww!! :eek:
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You may want to read the rest of it…
Fr. Rohr understands that many of the retreat activities may appear peculiar to an outside observer. “Certainly the outsider — and this happened one time — would think it’s a homoerotic or homosexual group, and it’s just not really the character of the group, as such, in a formal or holistic way.”
One of the rituals done at some of Fr. Rohr’s retreats is a healing ritual…catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?RecNum=649
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puzzleannie said:
believe me there is not similarity in what KC does and what Richard Rohr does, other than that men participate in both. see other threads on this priest and his work
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I don’t see initiation in itself as objectionable, it depends more on the content of the event.

I guess what is the question here about initiation or about this initiation. As far as what I feel initiation can be a good thing, it’ll help give a renewed desire to do something virtuous. I guess it’s the same reason why it’s nice to have the Advent/Christmas & Lent/Easter seasons. But also for one time events it can make one feel one has some immaturity to leave behind for something more mature.

One must take into account what the initiation is too. As a Catholic, one should not be initiated to something contrary to the faith.
 
fix said:
You may want to read the rest of it…
Fr. Rohr understands that many of the retreat activities may appear peculiar to an outside observer. “Certainly the outsider — and this happened one time — would think it’s a homoerotic or homosexual group, and it’s just not really the character of the group, as such, in a formal or holistic way.”
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Yuk! 😛 Coulda fooled me!

Just more evidence that, along with the liturgies in many parishes, the retreat houses have been completely feminized. And yet another reason for real men to make excuses to stay away from Church.

Want a manly, Catholic alternative? Go here:

www.dads.org
 
Fidelis said:
Yuk! 😛 Coulda fooled me!

Just more evidence that, along with the liturgies in many parishes, the retreat houses have been completely feminized. And yet another reason for real men to make excuses to stay away from Church.

Want a manly, Catholic alternative? Go here:

www.dads.org
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netmil(name removed by moderator):
YIKES!!! :eek::eek::eek:
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Thanks for the link. When I read the piece about his retreats I thought who on earth would ever want to be part of such nonsense?
 
Ok at first I thought this was going to be something good- but it is clear this is not going to provide an appropriate environment for men to grow spiritually. It seems more the kind of thing that will discourage masculinity.
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jman507:
Making a public commitment, in the hopes it’ll help, make a person change a behavior to something better. Everyone desires to be better, sometimes it nice to have that extra push.

Knights of the Columbus does the same.
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This group’s mission is VERY different from that of the Knights of Columbus.
 
Fidelis said:
Want a manly, Catholic alternative? Go here: www.dads.org
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I’m getting acquainted with Fellowship of Catholic Men (catholicmensresources.org/) and I’m liking what I’m seeing. They encourage the formation of parish men groups for prayer and fellowship and our bishop strongly recommends them. I haven’t found any touchy-feely hogwash, just a focus on Jesus in His Church.

:blessyou:
 
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