But what does God believe?Also, in regard to St. John’s use of the word “unchaste,” the actual word “chaste” is not only used in a sexual context. Chastity can be simple purity. I believe I have a pure “heart” and masturbation does not change the purity of my heart. Joe
There are poorly formed priests out there. See the earlier post of mine on the teachings of the Catholic church and the catechismI believe I posted this awhile back. I went to confession before the Mass started at my Moms funeral because I wanted to receive communion. I pulled the Priest aside and asked him for a quick confession. I told him I couldn’t receive because I committed a mortal sin by masturbating, amongst other sins.
Well, he chuckled and told me that masturbation was a venial sin, not a mortal sin. He took my confession and I received Communion.
All my life I thought it was a mortal sin. He totally confused me.
When I read the CCC it states clearly that masturbation is “gravely” disordered and can be a mortal sin.I’ve known God all of my life. He knows I have a pure heart. Masturbation is a venial sin. Read the Catholic catechism.
CCC said:2352 By *masturbation *is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139
Note the emphasis on can be.When I read the CCC it states clearly that masturbation is “gravely” disordered and can be a mortal sin.
Whether it is mortal or not? YesNote the emphasis on can be.
Don’t you think that this is a matter for the penitent and his confessor to determine?
Whether one must stop now?Whether it is mortal or not? Yes
Whether one must stop, now? No
By that logic lying with a woman makes you unclean as well, so you are saying that it is a sin as well. I lay with a woman every night!Leviticus shows that the man is considered UNCLEAN, which means sin. While it doesn’t specifically say “Don’t masturbate” it says you will be unclean and have to wash yourself of it.
Yes, unclean does not mean sin. It just means that you couldn’t participate in rituals. If a woman is on her period, she was considered unclean. It isn’t a sin to have your period though.By that logic lying with a woman makes you unclean as well, so you are saying that it is a sin as well. I lay with a woman every night!
Cause I am married! Is that a sin! I have no problem sending her to the couch if that is so! just kidding!
Read the whole scripture. Unclean does not mean sin!!! Sorry! The Jews believed in several rituals to clean or purifiy the body, a woman after giving birth had to go to the temple to be purified do to being unclean! Is giving birth a sin, uh no! By the way we just celebrated that feast that used to be called Candlemas, which is when the Virgin Mary went to the temple to be purified, after giving birth.
Let’s read it together:I’ve known God all of my life. He knows I have a pure heart. Masturbation is a venial sin. Read the Catholic catechism.
When is masturbation defined as a mental illness?Whether one must stop now?
Would you ask someone who is clinically depressed to just “snap out of it”? Or do think it might take some time and effort.
You don’t suppose it might be the same thing about masturbation?
Can we agree on “one should stop” and leave it to himself, God and his confessor to work out the means?
It cannot say if it is or is not mortal. It simply and clearly states that one of the three features for a mortal sin exists (grave matter). I’ll let you look up what the other two are.It still does not say if it is a mortal or veniel sin. And the statement is not ex cathedra dogma, so it is not infallible.
My dear man, have you ever considered that your self-satisfaction may be depriving a suitable widow of your loving companionship? Why would you settle for masturbation when you could remarry and have a fulfilling relationship? Our lives are most fully experienced when giving of ourselves to another. Do you have any idea how many lonely widows are out there longing for the attention and companionship of a loving eligible man?I could not disagree more with the opinion that masturbation is immoral or a sin. This teaching is NOT an ex cathedra dogma of the RCC and therefore is not infallible. The human body needs this physical release from time to time to maintain its health and wellness. I was married for 35 years to the greatest woman in the world; the Lord chose to take her to Him. I have no desire for any other woman and do not want another wife; nor do I want casual sex. Therefore I do masturbate when I feel the need and feel no guilt or shame for this. I also do not feel the need to be chaste to prove my love for God. God will judge me on what Jesus taught: Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those in prison, comfort the sick. I do not believe he cares in the least that I allow myself a little bit of sexual pleasure when I need this. I agree that no one should become a slave to anything or anyone; but masturbation is very normal, for male and female, and few if any become compulsive slaves to it. Let’s face it, sex with another person is much more enjoyable. I read the posting and replies to that 17 year old boy, something-jack I forget his screen name; I was and am outraged. Suggesting that a boy that age seek aversion therapy, intentionally inflict damage or harm or pain on his body to avoid masturbation. Why not tell him to flog himself with a whip or wear a hare shirt or eat dirt? Nobody here can convince me that Jesus would tell that boy to purposely inflict pain or harm onto his body just so he doesn’t masturbate. That’s so medieval and I thought Catholics had gotten past the inquisition theology.