Why Men Shouldn't Rule?

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Yes, if any have been reading my threads lately, I’m still debating with feminists. Now, one such woman is using another woman’s argument, Rasa Von Werder’s, all about why men shouldn’t rule the world and why women should.

Check these reasons out:

**Here is a list of some of the most evil and unethical experiments ever
carried out on humans. While they may seem unbelievable now, keep in mind
that when they were being performed, no one spoke out against them until,
often, it was too late.
  1. Stanford Prison Experiment
The Stanford prison experiment was a psychological study of human responses
to captivity, and its behavioral effects on both authorities and inmates.
Undergraduate volunteers played the roles of both guards and prisoners
living in a mock prison. Prisoners and guards rapidly adapted to their
roles, and soon stepped beyond the boundaries of what had been predicted,
leading to dangerous and psychologically damaging situations.
  1. The Monster Study
The Monster Study was an experiment conducted on 22 orphan children in 1939.
Half of the children were given positive speech therapy, in which the
fluency of their speech was praised. The other half were belittled for every
speech imperfection and told they were stutterers. Many of the normal
speaking orphan children who received negative therapy suffered negative
psychological effects and some retained speech problems during the course of
their life.
  1. Project 4.1
Project 4.1 was a medical study conducted by the United States of residents
of the Marshall Islands exposed to radioactive fallout from the nuclear test
at Bikini Atoll. In the decades that followed, children began to suffer
disproportionately from thyroid cancer (due to exposure to radioiodines),
and almost a third of those exposed developed neoplasms. A Department of
Energy report concluded that, “The dual purpose of what is now a DOE medical
program has led to a view by the Marshallese that they were being used as
‘guinea pigs’ in a ‘radiation experiment.’”
  1. Project MKULTRA
Project MKULTRA, or MK-ULTRA, was the code name for a CIA mind-control
research program. There is much published evidence that the project involved
the surreptitious use of many types of drugs to manipulate individual mental
states and to alter brain function. Experiments included administering LSD
to CIA employees, military personnel, doctors, other government agents,
prostitutes, mentally ill patients, and members of the general public in
order to study their reactions. LSD and other drugs were usually
administered without the subject’s knowledge or consent.
  1. The Aversion Project
South Africa’s apartheid army forced white *** and gay soldiers to undergo
‘sex-change’
operations in the 1970s and the 1980s, and submitted many to chemical
castration, electric shock, and other unethical medical experiments. As many
as 900 forced ‘sexual reassignment’ operations may have been performed as
part of a top-secret program to root out homosexuality from the service.
  1. North Korean Experimentation
There have been many reports of North Korean human experimentation. One
former North Korean woman prisoner tells how 50 healthy women prisoners were
forced to eat poisoned cabbage leaves. All 50 were dead after 20 minutes of
vomiting blood and anal bleeding. Kwon Hyok, a former prison head of
security at Camp 22, described laboratories equipped respectively for poison
gas, suffocation gas and blood experiments, in which three or four people,
normally a family, were the experimental subjects.
  1. Poison Laboratory of the Soviets
The Poison laboratory of the Soviet secret services, also known as
Laboratory 1, Laboratory 12 and “The Chamber,” was a covert poison research
and development facility. The Soviets tested a number of deadly poisons on
prisoners, including mustard gas, ricin, and digitoxin.
  1. The Tuskegee Syphilis Study
The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male was a clinical
study conducted between 1932 and 1972 in Tuskegee, Alabama. Nearly 400 poor
African American sharecroppers were denied treatment for syphilis so that
the effects could be examined. This study became notorious and led to major
changes in how patients are protected in clinical studies.
  1. Unit 731
Unit 731 was a covert biological and chemical warfare research unit of the
Imperial Japanese Army. Some of the numerous atrocities committed included
vivisection of living people, including pregnant women who were impregnated
by the doctors, limbs amputated and reattached, and humans used as living
test cases for grenades and flame throwers. Prisoners were also injected
with strains of diseases to study their effects.
  1. Nazi Experiments
Medical experimentation was conducted on large numbers of people by the
German Nazi regime in its concentration camps during World War II. Dr. Josef
Mengele performed experiments on over 1,500 sets of imprisoned twins; fewer
than 200 individuals survived these studies. The tests ranged from the
injection of different chemicals into the eyes of the twins to see if it
would change their colors, to literally sewing the twins together in hopes
of creating conjoined twins. Other experiments included forcing subjects to
endure a tank of ice water for up to three hours to test hypothermia
treatments, and infecting wounds with bacteria to test antibacterial
treatments.

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Ok, her point is, stuff like this is almost entirely perfomed and invented and thought of by MEN and not women. Oh sure there are exceptions, but more than often women don’t succomb to such horrible acts against the human race, animals and nature, rather, men do.

Hmmm, well, maybe so, but what does this prove? Would the world be better ruled by women? I don’t think so, sin will still exist. But, I need a better answer than that.
 
It proves nothing. Women have historically been less likely to be in positions of authority or acheive professional success. That is now beginning to change as more women enter the workforce. So even if women had been just as likely to do things like that, fewer would have been in the position to do so. These examples do not provide good evidence one way or another about differences between men and women.
 
That list is silly.

Of course men have made grave mistakes in ruling the world, because the bitter truth is that man have generally been the ones in charge of everything for a long time.

I think the bigger problem is the KIND of men that we give power to!

I voted for men and women in the past. I am a HUGE Palin, Dr. Rice, and Margaret Thatcher.

I’m glad my neice can choose to be a lawyer, a doctor,a stay at home mom, or a senator.
 
That list is silly.

Of course men have made grave mistakes in ruling the world, because the bitter truth is that man have generally been the ones in charge of everything for a long time.

I think the bigger problem is the KIND of men that we give power to!

I voted for men and women in the past. I am a HUGE Palin, Dr. Rice, and Margaret Thatcher.

I’m glad my neice can choose to be a lawyer, a doctor,a stay at home mom, or a senator.
Yes, true, there have been many men who have lived Godly lives, just look at the Saints, those of even othe religions (Gahndi), CHRIST! 🙂
 
I guess, what I’m really learning is that all the feminists arguments are so utterly ridiculous!
 
First thing, your friend needs to make sure her sources are a little more airtight.
The Monster Study, while supervised by a man, Dr. Wendell Johnson, it was actually carried out by one of his grad students, Mary Tudor, a woman.

Clearly this case does not make a black mark against the whole of womankind, and similarly these 10 cases are terrible cases of men acting like…umm….
 
People are people and will make dreadful mistakes regardless of gender 😉
 
A course in logic might prove helpful. The entire argument is the fallacy of Composition. For those unfamiliar with this, here’s a definition that can help: nizkor.org/features/fallacies/composition.html

In fact, you could turn that fallacy back on her to show her how silly her argument is: “Here is a woman using fallacious reasoning. Therefore, women reason fallaciously. And, therefore, women should not rule.”
 
I find it odd that in trying to prove why men shouldn’t rule, your friend chose to use scientists. :confused:
Why not choose, um, rulers?
 
I find it odd that in trying to prove why men shouldn’t rule, your friend chose to use scientists. :confused:
Why not choose, um, rulers?
Probably because the examples set by the women rulers of the past was hardly more praise worthy than the men who ruled at the same time.


Bill
 
I heard this argument once before and I replied that
  • Most police officers are men
  • Most fire fighters are men
  • Most paramedics are men
  • Most medical breakthroughs have been made by men
  • Most improvements to human quality of life have been made by men
  • Most safety devices have been invented by men
  • Most great artists have been men
  • Most great writers have been men
  • Most great composers have been men
And the list could go on and on…

Of course the entire concept is beyond stupid, but my reply certainly put an end to the discussion. 😃
 
BTW, women, who make up a majority of registered voters, had the chance to elect a woman president last year. They also had the chance to elect a woman vice-president. But they didn’t. Hmm…
 
I heard this argument once before and I replied that
  • Most police officers are men
  • Most fire fighters are men
  • Most paramedics are men
  • Most medical breakthroughs have been made by men
  • Most improvements to human quality of life have been made by men
  • Most safety devices have been invented by men
  • Most great artists have been men
  • Most great writers have been men
  • Most great composers have been men
And the list could go on and on…

Of course the entire concept is beyond stupid, but my reply certainly put an end to the discussion. 😃
Yeah, we’re awesome. 😃
 
Probably because the examples set by the women rulers of the past was hardly more praise worthy than the men who ruled at the same time.


Bill
Yeah, and I was thinking, too…
Why, in trying to prove that men shouldn’t rule, did she name scientists?
Doesn’t this prove that scientists shouldn’t rule?
And, furthermore, I think what she was trying to prove was that men are cruel and therefore shouldn’t rule. The flip side of that, of course, would be that women are kind, and therefore should rule. But in suggesting that, the author of that list would have also been suggesting that women have and men have different natures, and I don’t know ANY feminist that ever wants to believe that she has a nature that is different from a man’s. Just my two cents.
 
And where does this “feminist” stand on the henious act of deliberate abortion? Does she not consider that the murder of millions of the most innocent of all humans-the human infant in the womb of it’s mother-is for the most part a choice made by women? And promoted by women?

Kind of ironic, isn’t it? To list all of the evils done by men, yet ignore the horrendous evil of a woman murdering her own offspring, while other women are backing her up.
 
Speaking of rulers, male or female, this might be the time to point out that, strictly speaking, intellect is not the sole factor of a good leader.

Male or female, scientist or bus driver, what makes a good leader is often intangibles-listening to people who might be smarter than you-and making often very difficult choices.
 
Using the logic to OP is trying to refute, one could also assert that women should not be permitted to be in the presence of young children. I mean look at all the mothers who have murdered their very own flesh and blood.
 
1. Nazi Experiments

Medical experimentation was conducted on large numbers of people by the
German Nazi regime in its concentration camps during World War II. Dr. Josef
Mengele performed experiments on over 1,500 sets of imprisoned twins; fewer
than 200 individuals survived these studies. The tests ranged from the
injection of different chemicals into the eyes of the twins to see if it
would change their colors, to literally sewing the twins together in hopes
of creating conjoined twins. Other experiments included forcing subjects to
endure a tank of ice water for up to three hours to test hypothermia
treatments, and infecting wounds with bacteria to test antibacterial
treatments.


Ok, her point is, stuff like this is almost entirely perfomed and invented and thought of by MEN and not women. Oh sure there are exceptions, but more than often women don’t succomb to

Should “succumb to” not be “commit” or “perpetrate”, or “carry out” ? The Jews “succumbed to” Zyklon gas - but they were not perpetrators of the Final Solution; they were victims of it.​

such horrible acts against the human race, animals and nature, rather, men do.

Hmmm, well, maybe so, but what does this prove? Would the world be better ruled by women? I don’t think so, sin will still exist. But, I need a better answer than that.

How is the Stanford Experiment even remotely on a par with the actions of the Nazis ? The widespread use of lobotomy is much closer. As is the practice of vivisection (without anaesthetic, natch) by the Japanese during WW2.​

Human beings are very nasty creatures; as your examples prove - there is no depth of cruelty to which we are not capable of sinking. But it is sheer self-deception for a woman to imagine that the world would be any less cruel if women were in charge; it would be horrible, but, in some different ways. And has no one heard of Elizabeth Bathory ? They can now:
Boudica’s treatment of London was not pleasant (if Tacitus is accurate in his account of her) - but she had suffered greatly from the Romans, so it could be said that they deserved what they got. Queen Alexandra, widow of Alexander Jannaeus, is another one:
And so on. :eek: It seems women are quite as capable as men of being spectacularly unpleasant. 😦
 
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