Why Men Shouldn't Rule?

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And where does this “feminist” stand on the henious act of deliberate abortion? Does she not consider that the murder of millions of the most innocent of all humans-the human infant in the womb of it’s mother-is for the most part a choice made by women? And promoted by women?

Kind of ironic, isn’t it? To list all of the evils done by men, yet ignore the horrendous evil of a woman murdering her own offspring, while other women are backing her up.
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She is strictly against abortion.
 
The_Catholic said:
She is strictly against abortion.
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She is of course to be commended for that view. That doesn’t change the reality that more women than men support abortion (recent Gallup numbers are 49 pro-life 44 pro-abortion for women, 54 pro-life 39 pro-abortion for men).

Of course if men could get pregnant then those numbers might be different. As I said before, this whole men vs. women argument (which is too dignified a word for it) is just dumb.
 
A long time ago, I styled myself a “feminist” based on St. Paul’s teaching that in Christ there is no male or female. But as time passed, it became obvious that “feminism” is not about equality at all, but is an agenda that seeks to put power in women’s hands OVER men. So, I am no longer feminist, but just pure Christian.

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I consider myself a feminist; not a feminist in the way that the term has been hi-jacked by women who want to be men-- but a true feminist; I try to image the best woman–Our Lady.

I am saddened that even in a Catholic forum, the idea of feminism is considered so negatively.

From Pope John Paul II, Letter to Women: (para. 3) after he thanks individually woman of all vocations,
“I know of course that simply saying thank you is not enough. Unfortunately, we are heirs to a history which has conditioned us to a remarkable extent. In every time and place, this conditioning has been an obstacle to the progress of women. Women’s dignity has often been unacknowledged and their prerogatives misrepresented; they have often been relegated to the margins of society and even reduced to servitude. This has prevented women from truly being themselves and it has resulted in a spiritual impoverishment of humanity… When it comes to setting women free from every kind of exploitation and domination, the Gospel contains an ever relevant message which goes back to the attitude of Jesus Christ himself. Transcending the established norms of his own culture, Jesus treated women with openness, respect, acceptance and tenderness. In this way he honoured the dignity which women have always possessed according to God’s plan and in his love…”

Without a woman’s engagement in society there results a spiritual impoverishment. God’s plan has women primarily as mothers; that is what our bodies are made for- that is our purpose. Our vocations can be of different kinds, perhaps, not as mothers but as leaders of nations, lawyers, nuns… Our design for motherhood is why we are often (not always) naturally more caring and considerate, why we have more compassion and emotion. These are to the benefit of society-- perhaps this is what your feminist is referring to.

Unfortunately, what has become of feminism is a transformation of women, not into women with dignity, but of an attempt to be bad-men. A man aspiring to be a woman can only be a bad woman, and a woman trying to act like a man can only be a bad man. Women who contort their bodies to rid themselves of the burden of their motherly nature by means of contraception, or even abortion are not embracing feminism- they are rejecting it. This does not mean that a woman cannot be a professional or a leader. Unfortunately in our society, however, progress does not include children.

A woman who has chosen and is called to the married life is primarily a mother, that is what she is built for, that is where she fits. This is not to be a negative thing; women are a huge asset to society, and a good wife and mother does rule the world, by supporting her husband and raising good, strong, and christian children. “The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world”… In other situations, men may raise the children when the woman is the professional, the social leader, or whatever.

When women forget who they are, when they try to be men, only bad things happen- feminism in the unfortunate modern sense happens.

Peace,
Jessi
 
Well,
I take it your friend has never worked in an office where everybody is a woman.( From the Boss/owner to the janitor). TRust me it ain’t pretty! (and in case you were wondering and “mommie” is not clear enough, I am 100% woman).
I have worked in such an office for almost 10 years now and believe me, women can come up with ideas that can rival any mad man scientist! Remember, " hell has no fury like a woman scorned"! :whacky::blackeye:
 
Kipling said it all

"So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of abstract justice - which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern; shall enthrall but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him and Her instincts never fail,
That the female of Her species is more deadly than the male!"
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

Should “succumb to” not be “commit” or “perpetrate”, or “carry out” ? The Jews “succumbed to” Zyklon gas - but they were not perpetrators of the Final Solution; they were victims of it.​

How is the Stanford Experiment even remotely on a par with the actions of the Nazis ? The widespread use of lobotomy is much closer. As is the practice of vivisection (without anaesthetic, natch) by the Japanese during WW2.​

Human beings are very nasty creatures; as your examples prove - there is no depth of cruelty to which we are not capable of sinking. But it is sheer self-deception for a woman to imagine that the world would be any less cruel if women were in charge; it would be horrible, but, in some different ways. And has no one heard of Elizabeth Bathory ? They can now:
Boudica’s treatment of London was not pleasant (if Tacitus is accurate in his account of her) - but she had suffered greatly from the Romans, so it could be said that they deserved what they got. Queen Alexandra, widow of Alexander Jannaeus, is another one:
And so on. :eek: It seems women are quite as capable as men of being spectacularly unpleasant. 😦
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Don’t forget queen Elizabeth of England. Who sent many people(mostly Catholics too) to the scaffold. And of course Cleopatra.

No offense, but if women did rule the world there would probably be no buildings or many inventions. For all we know we would still be dying of things like smallpox and tuberculosis.
 
Jessi_Thomist said:
I consider myself a feminist; not a feminist in the way that the term has been hi-jacked by women who want to be men-- but a true feminist; I try to image the best woman–Our Lady.

I am saddened that even in a Catholic forum, the idea of feminism is considered so negatively.

From Pope John Paul II, Letter to Women: (para. 3) after he thanks individually woman of all vocations,
"I know of course that simply saying thank you is not enough. Unfortunately, we are heirs to a history which has conditioned us to a remarkable extent. In every time and place, this conditioning has been an obstacle to the progress of women. Women’s dignity has often been unacknowledged and their prerogatives misrepresented; they have often been relegated to the margins of society and even reduced to servitude. This has prevented women from truly being themselves and it has resulted in a spiritual impoverishment of humanity
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… When it comes to setting women free from every kind of exploitation and domination, the Gospel contains an ever relevant message which goes back to the attitude of Jesus Christ himself. Transcending the established norms of his own culture, Jesus treated women with openness, respect, acceptance and tenderness. In this way he honoured the dignity which women have always possessed according to God’s plan and in his love…"

Without a woman’s engagement in society there results a spiritual impoverishment. God’s plan has women primarily as mothers; that is what our bodies are made for- that is our purpose. Our vocations can be of different kinds, perhaps, not as mothers but as leaders of nations, lawyers, nuns… Our design for motherhood is why we are often (not always) naturally more caring and considerate, why we have more compassion and emotion. These are to the benefit of society-- perhaps this is what your feminist is referring to.

Unfortunately, what has become of feminism is a transformation of women, not into women with dignity, but of an attempt to be bad-men. A man aspiring to be a woman can only be a bad woman, and a woman trying to act like a man can only be a bad man. Women who contort their bodies to rid themselves of the burden of their motherly nature by means of contraception, or even abortion are not embracing feminism- they are rejecting it. This does not mean that a woman cannot be a professional or a leader. Unfortunately in our society, however, progress does not include children.

A woman who has chosen and is called to the married life is primarily a mother, that is what she is built for, that is where she fits. This is not to be a negative thing; women are a huge asset to society, and a good wife and mother does rule the world, by supporting her husband and raising good, strong, and christian children. “The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world”… In other situations, men may raise the children when the woman is the professional, the social leader, or whatever.

When women forget who they are, when they try to be men, only bad things happen- feminism in the unfortunate modern sense happens.

Peace,
Jessi

👍 :clapping: :tiphat: :extrahappy: :dancing: :newidea:

I totally agree 100%! I’m a feminist in the fact that I’m proud to be a woman with all my strengths & weaknesses! I’m a feminist in the fact that I realize there are some things men do better than women and vice versa. I’m a feminist in the fact that to God I am equal to men in dignity and creation (ie - in His image). I don’t need all that anti-man propoganda to make myself feel good. What I need is a strong, loving, compassionate, God-fearing man to love me, support me, and be my equal so I can do the same for him! Thankfully, I have one (although we’re still working on the God-fearing part)! I congratulate all women who do this as well!
 
A couple of infamous women of history:
Lucretia Borgia, who poisoned her house guests for fun.
Lizzie Bordon,she was a protestant school teacher in New England and murdered her parents with an axe while they slept.
Catherine the Great of Russia every bit as terrible as Ivan the Terrible.

Also in our parish we’ve had a couple of woman liturgists and DRE’s who made me change my views on woman priests including one that also taught confirmation who told her kids don’t worry about what the church teaches when it comes to things like birth control and abortion but, “follow your conscience”:eek:and you’ll be OK. For confirmation she had the kids write their own creed which included, “I beleive in rainbows and butterflies” with barely a mention about Jesus or God! This woman also had our RCIA group walk the stations of the cross backwards starting at the end going to the beginning claiming it was an ancient tradition of the church started by Our lady in Ephesus.
We had another RCIA director who had us attend a new story telling workshop introducing Jungian mythology into the liturgy but, was horrified that my candidate was interested in sacrementals like chaplets and scapulars and holy water and oils because she believed them to be backwards and pre-vatican II. Kathlean (the 2nd woman) we nicknamed Mother Superior because of her sternness. I could easily have seen her with a steel ruler. My friend quit RCIA and went to another parish because he couldn’t stand her. My interview to be this guy’s sponsor was more like the 3rd degree in a police station.

Thank God both of these women were later fired and replaced with priests and nuns:nun1::nun2:

Also in terms of the myth of the gentler sex, who ever came up with that has never seen two women in a bar brawl. Men follow Marquis of Queensbury rules generally. Women bite, kick scratch, claw and utilize purses and their contents as weapons.:slapfight::nunchuk::crutches:
 
scottywolf777 said:
Also in our parish we’ve had a couple of woman liturgists and DRE’s who made me change my views on woman priests including one that also taught confirmation who told her kids don’t worry about what the church teaches when it comes to things like birth control and abortion but, “follow your conscience”:eek:and you’ll be OK. For confirmation she had the kids write their own creed which included, “I beleive in rainbows and butterflies” with barely a mention about Jesus or God! This woman also had our RCIA group walk the stations of the cross backwards starting at the end going to the beginning claiming it was an ancient tradition of the church started by Our lady in Ephesus.
We had another RCIA director who had us attend a new story telling workshop introducing Jungian mythology into the liturgy but, was horrified that my candidate was interested in sacrementals like chaplets and scapulars and holy water and oils because she believed them to be backwards and pre-vatican II. :
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please tell me she is not in charge of anything anymore-- heretics should not be in charge of the souls of a parish.
 
greggy53 said:
Kipling said it all

"So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of abstract justice - which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern; shall enthrall but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him and Her instincts never fail,
That the female of Her species is more deadly than the male!"
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lol
 
The last post by Scottywolf77 reminds me of something a teacher once told my 15 year old daughter. She told her to “always listen to what your inner-voice says is right, then do what it says” When I got the opportunity I asked her: “What if my inner-voice tells me it’s right to kill a bunch of people?” Children have to be taught how to think as well as what to think. Relying on our judgment comes with maturity. Proper conscience formation is an integral part of Religious education, by both parents and catechists.
 
greggy53 said:
The last post by Scottywolf77 reminds me of something a teacher once told my 15 year old daughter. She told her to “always listen to what your inner-voice says is right, then do what it says” When I got the opportunity I asked her: “What if my inner-voice tells me it’s right to kill a bunch of people?” Children have to be taught how to think as well as what to think. Relying on our judgment comes with maturity. Proper conscience formation is an integral part of Religious education, by both parents and catechists.
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RE: my last post, thank God both women were fired by the pastor and replaced with priests or nuns who are quite orthodox!:crossrc::byzsoc::signofcross:
 
When we commit to the Lordship of Christ we will provide the leadership that is pleasing to God.
 
spbill said:
When we commit to the Lordship of Christ we will provide the leadership that is pleasing to God.
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And submit to the lawful authority of His Church where that leadership exists to this day.
 
In my experience, men should rule because women tend to give in when they shouldn’t. This female quality is good when raising a family (with a hubby to hold firm) and in many other situations, but women tend to liberalize whatever they get a hold of, which is frequently a problem. I would not trust women (in general) to keep the faith of the Church intact for these 2000 years, for example.
I say this as a strong women raising 2 kids on my own, so I’m not prejudiced.
 
There is scriptural evidence that women were an integral part of the early church. When the church was “Romanized” I believe women were locked out of the hierarchy. I don’t believe that Jesus necessarily intended this to be, but he did give that authority to Peter, the apostles, and their successors. So, we have now what we have now. I believe that without women in our lives we (men) could only be savages, and would have destroyed ourselves long ago. It is my understanding that when Jesus compared his relationship to His Church as a bride and groom he was telling us that the human ideal is complete only through the union of a man and woman in Matrimony. Without my wife I am half the man, without me she is half the woman.
 
Feminism as it was established and is used today is another of the devil’s hazy tricks of politically correctness, establishing “equality” , and creating disorder among the religious.

If you look it up, feminism, pro-abortion, new age, jungian psychology, all the hot terms that are pretty much Anti-Catholic and Anti-Christian go hand-in-hand.
 
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