Why Mormons Build Temples

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LDSGuy said:
where does this occur in LDS teaching that is deceitful?
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LDS have begun to use the word “Trinity”, to describe your belief in God. Christians understand what Trinity means. If LDS say they believe in the Trinity, or use the word to describe your belief, Christians will think you are talking about the same God that all Christians believe in. The very basis of our Faith.

You know, and I know, this is not the case. Either it is meant to deceive Christians, or meant to deceive yourselves, into believing that you are Christian.
 
LDSGuy said:
So when traditional Christianity co-opted various things from paganism, was this deceitful?

I understand that from your position I didn’t understand Catholicism if I left it, in the same way that I think that ex-LDS did not understand it either.
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I’m finished with your inability to conduct a dialog without indulging in distractions from any point when you don’t like or don’t understand the subject matter.

Where’s that picture of the jello? We need it again.

Have a nice life LDSGuy, you’re going into virtual oblivion as far as I am concerned. This is a silly, unproductive use of time and resources which I have no interest in continuing.
 
RebeccaJ said:
LDS have begun to use the word “Trinity”, to describe your belief in God. Christians understand what Trinity means. If LDS say they believe in the Trinity, or use the word to describe your belief, Christians will think you are talking about the same God that all Christians believe in. The very basis of our Faith.

You know, and I know, this is not the case. Either it is meant to deceive Christians, or meant to deceive yourselves, into believing that you are Christian.
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I agree. I personally never use the word Trinity to describe our belief in the Godhead, and I hope no official LDS publications do either. I definitely agree that it would be deceitful if a LDS told someone else that they believed in the Trinity.
 
MelanieAnne said:
I’m finished with your inability to conduct a dialog without indulging in distractions from any point when you don’t like or don’t understand the subject matter.

Where’s that picture of the jello? We need it again.

Have a nice life LDSGuy, you’re going into virtual oblivion as far as I am concerned. This is a silly, unproductive use of time and resources which I have no interest in continuing.
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:rolleyes: I knew that was coming. You never really address many of my points, and when you do not know how to answer my points, you say, well we have the whole truth and you don’t understand. You stated that co-opting words was deceitful practice by the LDS Church. I asked whether it was also deceitful for traditional Christianity to co-opt the word Easter, pagan sites, and other customs, to see if you are using a double standard. How is that distracting?

Have a nice life 👍
 
LDSGuy said:
:rolleyes: I knew that was coming. You never really address many of my points, and when you do not know how to answer my points, you say, well we have the whole truth and you don’t understand. You stated that co-opting words was deceitful practice by the LDS Church. I asked whether it was also deceitful for traditional Christianity to co-opt the word Easter, pagan sites, and other customs, to see if you are using a double standard. How is that distracting?

Have a nice life 👍
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You do know that the word Easter is used in English while most other languages have names that derive from the word passover.
 
zaffiroborant said:
You do know that the word Easter is used in English while most other languages have names that derive from the word passover.
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right (Pascha in the East), however that does not distract from the word Easter having origins in Celtic culture. Also, there are other examples of using things from a culture and “Christianizing” it, if you will. My point is that the original argument that LDS use words that are from “traditional Christianity” and change their meaning (which was posited to be deceitful) is no different (if we accept that that is what has been done) from the Christianization of various religious sites, customs, etc.
 
LDSGuy said:
right (Pascha in the East), however that does not distract from the word Easter having origins in Celtic culture. Also, there are other examples of using things from a culture and “Christianizing” it, if you will. My point is that the original argument that LDS use words that are from “traditional Christianity” and change their meaning (which was posited to be deceitful) is no different (if we accept that that is what has been done) from the Christianization of various religious sites, customs, etc.
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Not Celtic Germanic.

Christianizing things is different, it’s converts keeping customs and adapting them to new beliefs.
 
zaffiroborant said:
Not Celtic Germanic.

Christianizing things is different, it’s converts keeping customs and adapting them to new beliefs.
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right my mistake, German (and the related holiday Ostara). What you described as Christianization is no different than what Melanie said LDS were deceitfully doing; taking a word and adapting it to new beliefs.
 
LDSGuy said:
right my mistake, German (and the related holiday Ostara). What you described as Christianization is no different than what Melanie said LDS were deceitfully doing; taking a word and adapting it to new beliefs.
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But then you take the adaptation and use it as though you have the same meaning, theosis is a good example of this. I’ve seen it used to crow that LDS do have traditional beliefs. Bukowski even commented on this usage as wrong.
 
zaffiroborant said:
But then you take the adaptation and use it as though you have the same meaning, theosis is a good example of this. I’ve seen it used to crow that LDS do have traditional beliefs. Bukowski even commented on this usage as wrong.
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Which extends to quote mining ECF writings to overlay Mormon belief over what they were actually teaching. Very deceitful practice.
 
zaffiroborant said:
But then you take the adaptation and use it as though you have the same meaning, theosis is a good example of this. I’ve seen it used to crow that LDS do have traditional beliefs. Bukowski even commented on this usage as wrong.
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As far as theosis, I’ve only ever seen it being referenced when LDS are making parallels to traditional Christian beliefs, or practices found anciently that have parallels in LDS Christianity. There are similarities, but they don’t mean the same thing. What you describe is not part of official Church documents and books.
 
LDSGuy said:
As far as theosis, I’ve only ever seen it being referenced when LDS are making parallels to traditional Christian beliefs, or practices found anciently that have parallels in LDS Christianity. There are similarities, but they don’t mean the same thing. What you describe is not part of official Church documents and books.
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Why the focus on official? Your members use them, as well as your apologists. FAIR, Maxwell Institute and by extension MADB.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Why the focus on official? Your members use them, as well as your apologists. FAIR, Maxwell Institute and by extension MADB.
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Because I’ve noticed Protestants like to attack statements or things individual Catholics do or say, and a common response is that these are not official teachings or doctrine. I’m thinking along the same lines. I’ve never seen the Trinity being presented as LDS belief, even on FAIR. Granted I haven’t been researching the LDS Church as long as you have, but as far as I’ve seen, I’ve never seen that.
 
LDSGuy said:
Because I’ve noticed Protestants like to attack statements or things individual Catholics do or say, and a common response is that these are not official teachings or doctrine. I’m thinking along the same lines. I’ve never seen the Trinity being presented as LDS belief, even on FAIR. Granted I haven’t been researching the LDS Church as long as you have, but as far as I’ve seen, I’ve never seen that.
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Joseph Fielding Smith and Brigham Young used the term Trinity to describe Godhead. There has remained a separation between the two terms in the LDS world. But recently, within the last 3 or so years, I see Mormons using the two terms interchangeably, like they mean the same thing. And, telling Christians in online conversations that Mormons believe in a trinity.

The same for Mormons telling people they believe Jesus IS God. Also deceptive, especially when used by Mormons who know what Christian belief regarding this is.

I’m all for recognizing what we have in common, but in a honest manner. You have Mormons out there trying to blur the lines as much as they can. They’ve been here. In real world conversations, what is “official” isn’t always communicated.
 
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