Why must we believe dogmas or be damned?

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Life is full of “grave” matters…death, illness, loss.

And, oh, yes, Marian dogmas. I keep forgetting to
think of those as “grave matters.” How silly of me.
I must remember, when speaking to a person who
lives on the streets and is hungry, to prompt that person
to keep in mind how “grave” a matter it is to accept
Marian dogmas.

I suppose asking Mary to keep a motherly eye on
that individual, whether or no the Immaculate Conception
is true, is a no-no, too?

Well, when that poor soul and I end up in hell for the
grave matter of doctrinal disregard, maybe he’ll share
the sub sandwitch with me, for old times sake.

Of course, for that guy, hell won’t be much different
than what he’s living thru now, but as we all know,
Jesus is doctrinal Justice and…what’s the other
quality?..oh, yes, merciful.

reen12
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lol I think that was a little more aggressive then I meant but it is basically what the question is in my mind
 
Hi, Lazerlike42,

Thanks for your courteous reply.

I ran into this man in a supermarket parking lot last
week. It was 90 degrees, and he was pushing a
cart full of his personal belongings, and really looked
played out. I asked him if it was harder in the heat
than the bitter cold. He said: “It’s hard year round,
when you’re hungry.” {It was a truly stupid question,
on my part, but I just wanted to acknowledge his
existence.]
I offered him a sub sandwich that I had in my grocery
bag, asking him would this appeal to him. It did.

I could offer several similar encounters, in that
parking lot, but you get the idea. People just
broken by life…ill, confused, hungry.
So, while I have no idea whether the Maria dogmas
are true…I’ll know for a fact, in the world to come…
I’ll bet my sub sandwitch against true believers any
time…
God bless,
reen
 
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reen12:
Life is full of “grave” matters…death, illness, loss.

And, oh, yes, Marian dogmas. I keep forgetting to
think of those as “grave matters.” How silly of me.
I must remember, when speaking to a person who
lives on the streets and is hungry, to prompt that person
to keep in mind how “grave” a matter it is to accept
Marian dogmas.

I suppose asking Mary to keep a motherly eye on
that individual, whether or no the Immaculate Conception
is true, is a no-no, too?

Well, when that poor soul and I end up in hell for the
grave matter of doctrinal disregard, maybe he’ll share
the sub sandwitch with me, for old times sake.

Of course, for that guy, hell won’t be much different
than what he’s living thru now, but as we all know,
Jesus is doctrinal Justice and…what’s the other
quality?..oh, yes, merciful.

reen12
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You imply there is only a choice to help a starving person or accept all that Christ asks us to accept. Why the false choice? It is both. We must help our neighbor and give full assent of the heart and mind to all Mother Church teaches.
 
Here’s the thing. If God tells us that something is true, we better darn well believe it, even if we don’t understand where it came from.

Think of the dogma of the Trinity, for example. The Jews were fine for thousands of years, believing in one God and living good lives. All of the sudden, WHAM, there are three persons in one God and you have to believe it. Where did that come from? Is that really necessary for salvation? I mean, all the Jews beforehand didn’t believe it and were fine. Why are we suddenly required to believe that? Because God said so. We don’t understand it, but God thought it was important enough to tell it to us. You can’t reject something that God said because you don’t see how that is important. He can generally see the bigger picture better than we can.

So, in this case we have a dogma infallibly proclaimed by the Church founded by Christ and led by the Holy Spirit. God, through the Church, says that it is so. That should be sufficient reason for us to believe. Even if it doesn’t seem important to us. Even if, “based on the deep study of Scripture and the Magesterium I find that it is contrary to Christ’s teachings.” Maybe we missed something, we are only human. God, however, doesn’t make mistakes. He told us it is true, so we had better believe it, even if we don’t understand why.

If I find a dogma of the Church that I think is wrong, we have an interesting situation. Somebody’s wrong. Either me or God. Take your pick.
 
Dear fix,

quote: fix
You imply there is only a choice to help a starving person or accept all that Christ asks us to accept. Why the false choice? It is both. We must help our neighbor and give full assent of the heart and mind to all Mother Church teaches.
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When I posted my original post, I waited for the “false
choice” post that was almost sure to follow.

My point is one of proportion…no, not “proportionalism.”

As I said, I’ll bet my sub sandwitch against true
believers any time.

Best,
reen12
 
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reen12:
Dear fix,

quote: fix

When I posted my original post, I waited for the “false
choice” post that was almost sure to follow.

My point is one of proportion…no, not “proportionalism.”

As I said, I’ll bet my sub sandwitch against true
believers any time.

Best,
reen12
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As you presented your case it is one that minimizes assent to God’s teaching and becomes little more than secular social work with a veneer of spirituality?

Please correct me if I am mistaken.
 
Hi, Phil Neri,

quote: Phil Neri
If I find a dogma of the Church that I think is wrong, we have an interesting situation. Somebody’s wrong. Either me or God. Take your pick
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False choice.
“Either me or God.”
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Should be: My common sense and experience versus
“the Church says…” devotees.

Proportion.

“Take your pick” can also be seen as:

“Today, I offer you life or death, a blessing or a
curse.”
I’ll go with God’s “take your pick”. Safer that way.

Best,
reen12
 
Hi, fix,

Why assume:
…a veneer of spirituality
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Or, would you also assume that when I said softly:
“God bless you,” it was…a veneer?

reen12
 
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reen12:
Hi, fix,

Why assume:

Or, would you also assume that when I said softly:
“God bless you,” it was…a veneer?

reen12
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I assume that because your posts in this thread seem to minimize the teaching of our creator as He speaks through His Church. In addition, you seem to use the phrase true believers in a pejorative way. Again, please correct me if I am wrong.
 
Hi, fix,

quote: fix
I assume that because your posts in this thread seem to minimize the teaching of our creator as He speaks through His Church.
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Correct.

reen12
 
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