Why No Creed on Holy Thursday

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Last night, for the first time, I noticed that the Profession of Faith is omitted during Holy Thursday. To me, it would make sense to emphasize the Creed on the day when we celebrate the institution of the Eucharist and the Priesthood. But instead, we omit it.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what the Church is trying to tell us?
 
The creed is not said or sung on any weekday, unless that weekday is a solemnity.
 
Chatter163 said:
The creed is not said or sung on any weekday, unless that weekday is a solemnity.
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And Holy Thursday isn’t a solemnity?? It’s the anniversary of the institution of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Priesthood.
 
Liturgically speaking, no, Holy Thursday and Good Friday is not a solemnity. They are ferias, in other words, ordinary day in holy week.
The official name for Holy Thursday is Feria Quinta in Cena Domini, and for Good Friday is Feria Sexta in Passione Domini.

Yet, their importance are above solemnity, feast, commemoration or memorial.
That is why when Annunciation falls during the holy week, it will be moved to Monday after the Octave of Easter (aka Divine Mercy Sunday).
 
We will recite the creed with the catechumens at the Vigil. Remember…these three nights (Triduum) is one continuios liturgy.
 
Actually, I was wondering that I didn’t notice a penitential rite.
 
SonCatcher said:
Actually, I was wondering that I didn’t notice a penitential rite.
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Our “penitential” was Lent. Lent was over when the liturgy began. Perhaps for this reason and that we also express penance in the washing of the feet and veneration of the cross on Good Friday…??
 
Phemie said:
None at all or did they opt for # 2 or 3 rather than the Confiteor?
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We just went straight from receiving the oils to the Gloria. Perhaps (as Anna Claire pointed out) since we are in a continuous liturgy from last night through tomorrow night, one of the other parts covers it.

Alternately… I sometimes meditate on the washing of feet as a kind of penitential rite in itself.
 
SonCatcher said:
We just went straight from receiving the oils to the Gloria. Perhaps (as Anna Claire pointed out) since we are in a continuous liturgy from last night through tomorrow night, one of the other parts covers it.

Alternately… I sometimes meditate on the washing of feet as a kind of penitential rite in itself.
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THe oils are not supposed to be received at the beginning anymore.

There is supposed to be a penitential rite at the beginning of HOly Thursday Mass.
 
Our Holy Thursday Mass had a penitential rite. Our priest started with the Confiteor and then we had the Kyrie.
 
It doesn’t have to be done, but if it is, at the offertory time. This is what the new roman missal says.
 
Someone mentioned the Gloria.

Since Lent is over, I can understand that the Gloria may be sung, although to my mind the penitential character of the Triduum isn’t much different from that of Lent.

Why is the Alleluia treated differently from the Gloria?
 
Digitonomy said:
Someone mentioned the Gloria.

Since Lent is over, I can understand that the Gloria may be sung, although to my mind the penitential character of the Triduum isn’t much different from that of Lent.

Why is the Alleluia treated differently from the Gloria?
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The Gloria (but not the Alleluia) was also sung during Lent at solemnities such as the Annunciation and St. Joseph. I can’t exactly say why the practice is different, but we discussed the variance in this thread a couple of weeks ago.
 
agapewolf said:
It doesn’t have to be done, but if it is, at the offertory time. This is what the new roman missal says.
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Actually, it has been moved to before the Mass of the Lord’s Supper.
From the USCCB site:

The Reception of the Holy Oils Blessed at the Chrism Mass
Introduction

  1. *]It is appropriate that the Oil of the Sick, the Oil of Catechumens, and the holy Chrism, which are blessed by the Bishop during the Chrism Mass, be presented to and received by the local parish community.
    *]The reception of the holy oils may take place before the Mass of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday or on another day after the celebration of the Chrism Mass.
 
agapewolf said:
It doesn’t have to be done, but if it is, at the offertory time. This is what the new roman missal says.
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Where can I find it in the Roman Missal? I specifically looked today and could find no mention of the oils anywhere in the Mass of the Lord’s Supper.
 
Talked to our Deacon about this…

He called the worship office of our diocese (St. Louis) and they told him to present them at offertory.
 
MarkThompson said:
The Gloria (but not the Alleluia) was also sung during Lent at solemnities such as the Annunciation and St. Joseph. I can’t exactly say why the practice is different, but we discussed the variance in this thread a couple of weeks ago.
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Not exactly an answer, but at first, the Gloria was originally limited to Sundays (since Pope Symmachus permitted its singing in 514), and only then in Masses said by bishops; in the 8th century, ordinary priests were only granted the privilege of chanting the Gloria in Easter. The custom of singing the Gloria in all Masses of a jubilant nature began only during the 12th century.
 
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