Why no forgiveness for fallen angels?

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NotWorthy said:
That’s a beautiful story, Fr. Ambrose. I could see why it stays with you. 🙂

But (and you knew there was a “but” coming, eh?), if you notice in the Gospels, Jesus never tries to “re-vert” the demons. What should we gather from this?
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That He was sent, as He said Himself, “only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24.

However, I think that somewhere in the Ecumenical Councils there is mention that the demons will never be delivered from hell?
 
Fr_Ambrose said:
That He was sent, as He said Himself, “only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24.
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Yeah, but he still gave tables scraps to the Phoenician (I know I’ve got the wrong tribe with this lady) woman.
However, I think that somewhere in the Ecumenical Councils there is mention that the demons will never be delivered from hell?
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I recall that there was an early Christian writer who taught (and was condemed for teaching) that on the last day and the final judgement all will be reconciled to Christ.

Anyone remember who that was or the name given to that heresy?

This is just stumping me.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
Thank you. I kept trying to make the word “Apokalipsis” which is probably a shake or cocktail.
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According to Wikipedia, it’s actually a hip hop group from the Philippines. 🤷 Go figure.

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Fr_Ambrose said:
And the story I mentioned from an ancient Patericon:

Don’t swoop on me, or lash me, or call me a heretic!
I know the theological pitfalls in
this story – but I still like this story!
It resonates in my old Irish heart.

…With the Sign of the Cross, the old monk Abba
Joseph trapped in his cell a dark and miserable demon
who had come to tempt him. “Release me, Father, and let
me go,” pleaded the demon, “I will not come to tempt you
again”. “I will gladly do that, but on one condition,”
replied the monk. “You must sing for me the song that
you sang before God’s Throne on high, before your fall.”

The demon responded, “You know I cannot do that; it will
cause me cruel torture and suffering. And besides, Father,
no human ear can hear its ineffable sweetness and live,
for you will surely die.” “Then you will have to remain
here in my cell,” said the monk, “and bear with me the
full struggle of repentance.” “Let me go, do not force me
to suffer,” pleaded the demon." “Ah, but then you must
sing to me the song you sang on high before your fall with Satan.”
So the dark and miserable demon, seeing that there was
no way out, began to sing, haltingly, barely audible
at first, groping for words long forgotten. As he sang,
the darkness which penetrated and surrounded him began
slowly to dissipate. The song grew ever louder and
increasingly stronger, and soon the demon was caught
up in its sweetness, his voice fully lifted up in worship
and praise. Boldly he sang of the power and the honour
and the glory of the Triune God on High, Creator of the
Universe, Master of Heaven and Earth, of all things visible
and invisible. As the song sung on high before all ages
resounded in the fullness of its might, a wondrous and
glorious light penetrated the venerable Abba’s humble cell,
and the walls which had enclosed it were no more. Ineffable
love and joy surged into the very depths of the being
of the radiant and glorious angel, as he ever so gently
stooped down and covered with his wings the lifeless body
of the old hermit who had liberated him from the abyss of hell.

-oOo-
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Yes,… that does resonate with my old irish heart as well. There’s something very “irish” about a monk who can trap demons, and die from self inflicted exposure to ultimate beauty.

Here’s my “theological” interpretation (!?):

The demon, during the beginning of the singing, was in utter agony, which for him was a foretaste of his inevitable final destination.

The demon, during the later part of the singing, was “replaced” by another being, an angel, who continued the singing.

The demon, once the angel had replaced him, slunk off into the nether regions to be forever tortured by his memories, crying and weeping and, no doubt, tearing himself to ribbons over and over again.

The Angel continued the singing because the song “must complete to it’s end”.

Father Abba’s demon was, in fact, the demonS of Father Abba, and therefore Father Abba died, having done what he needed to do.

Once you’ve done what needs doing, what more needs to be done? 🙂

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.
 
addenduum hypothesis:

the dragon has the same anatomy of the beast: seven heads, ten horns. So then from all eternity, the dragon and his angels knew the whole plan of salvation history, which was predetermined by the intrinsically necessary blueprint of eigth primary manifestations of the fallen nature in human history, each respectively slain through 8 primary Redemptive actions of God. Hence, the seven heads of the beast are the inevitable stages of sin in human history that must arise across the whole stage, stages that the dragon knew before he fell, and which then he subsequently insitigates in human history. Seven days of creation extended to eight, seven darkness/light ages, seven heads of the beast extended to eight.
 
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