Why not confession via e-mail?

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:eek: Would it really be that bad? Think of the benefit to shut-ins? The Vatican has addressed the wonders of modern technology and computers, and uses them themselves, are we not considered to be in a new age of evangalization?

Would it be that bad of an idea?

Why not? :o
 
:eek: Would it really be that bad? Think of the benefit to shut-ins? The Vatican has addressed the wonders of modern technology and computers, and uses them themselves, are we not considered to be in a new age of evangalization?

Would it be that bad of an idea?

Why not? :o
Doesn’t absolution have to be live for it to count?
 
:eek: Would it really be that bad? Think of the benefit to shut-ins? The Vatican has addressed the wonders of modern technology and computers, and uses them themselves, are we not considered to be in a new age of evangalization?

Would it be that bad of an idea?

Why not? :o
confession is more than just whipping out a list of sins and getting your slate wiped clean. The priest often needs to discern what the person was really thinking and doing. Can’t do that in an email.
 
How would they know it was really you?

I get emails from a guy in Nigeria offering massive amounts of money. Then I get those offers for the “male enhancement” products (awkward for a woman ). Who is really real?
 
The only method I see that could work for shut ins would be some sort of video conferencing such as face to face skpye because you are seeing the person via a webcam. Otherwise, I guess it would have to depend on the situation since technology should be used as a vehicle to get closer to god and not a quick excuse to get something “out of the way.”
 
The spiritual benefits (graces) that result from the sacrament are connected to the psychological dynamics which play out only in a live encounter, and which are shielded by the protective distance of cyber-space. To speak and to name (out loud) has theological significance even in biblical times. (A “Confession of Faith,” such as we read about in the New Testament, is an oral acknowledgement of belief, which signifies personal ownership and commitment.)

And to speak one’s sins, honestly & out loud to another person in a live setting requires courage and humility: acts of submission & surrender which in turn allow God to “inhabit” the person. The penitent’s tone of voice, the penitent’s questions, the priest’s questions & counsel, are all uniquely possible in a live setting.

The concept of live acknowledgement is a pattern that is paralleled in criminal law. Someone who is accused of committing wrongdoing must be personally present to those he is accused of wronging (victim or victim’s family), and to a live judge. The idea of a distant “presence” in the courtroom, via electronic messaging, would deny this basic element of justice. (And the confessional is both justice and mercy.) Personal justice is live, not electronic. At sentencing (“penance”) a convicted or self-convicted criminal is often asked to stand to receive his sentence of punishment (to reinforce the concept of encounter & of taking responsibility), and is also allowed, even encouraged, to acknowledge his guilt, sorrow, remorse – even directly to those he has injured.

Encounter, justice, healing, and satisfaction are all interrelated, and are not achieved by long distance communication.

Finally, distant communications have a sterility to them that protects the owner from emotion and feelings. God uses our feelings (embarrassment, dread, fear, shame, humiliation, sorrow) as avenues of healing.
 
Forget it .

E-mail is not secure. The messages route through many machines from sender to recipient, and can be accessed at any of them via hacking. Even the courts have said that e-mails, unlike the postal mail, are not confidential.

The seal of confession cannot be maintained in this situation.

ICXC NIKA
 
:eek: Would it really be that bad? Think of the benefit to shut-ins? The Vatican has addressed the wonders of modern technology and computers, and uses them themselves, are we not considered to be in a new age of evangalization?

Would it be that bad of an idea?

Why not? :o
Why not do baptism by email too. The priest could fedex some holy water to the family and they could set up a chat session or texting and the priest could text the prayers and the parents could pour the water. Think of the possibilites with the sacraments. Physical presence is no longer required for Any of them.
 
In Clochmerle, a satirical novel by Gabriel Chevallier, the Parish Priest used to meet up with his colleague from the next village, share a bottle of wine and hear each other’s confessions. They discussed what they might do when they got to old to walk to the next village and they decided that they would have to send each other telegrams.

Much later in the novel, the Parish Priest, now quite elderly and saintly, receives a telegram that reads “usual plus 2”.
 
In Clochmerle, a satirical novel by Gabriel Chevallier, the Parish Priest used to meet up with his colleague from the next village, share a bottle of wine and hear each other’s confessions. They discussed what they might do when they got to old to walk to the next village and they decided that they would have to send each other telegrams.

Much later in the novel, the Parish Priest, now quite elderly and saintly, receives a telegram that reads “usual plus 2”.
OK I get it…e-mail is out…lol, some great responses!!!

:newidea:…thought I’d throw it out there…lol…thanx!
 
confession is more than just whipping out a list of sins and getting your slate wiped clean. The priest often needs to discern what the person was really thinking and doing. Can’t do that in an email.
That’s not necessarily true, either. Remember that confessions in a foreign language are still valid. The priest acts in persona Christi, and while spiritual discernment and counsel is often a commendable component of the sacrament, it is in no way required for completion.

Clearly, I am not advocating for the OP’s idea. Sacraments are a personal encounter with Christ, and must always be performed in person.
 
Sure why not. then we can add drive through communion. watch Mass on tv and the on the way to breakfast drive up to the window at church for the Eucharist. could do the same for baptism just hold the child up to the widow and Farther pours the water over it forehead, no need to come inside.
 
Sure why not. then we can add drive through communion. watch Mass on tv and the on the way to breakfast drive up to the window at church for the Eucharist. could do the same for baptism just hold the child up to the widow and Farther pours the water over it forehead, no need to come inside.
Widows are doing baptisms these days? Huh. Who knew?🤷:D:p
 
Sure why not. then we can add drive through communion. watch Mass on tv and the on the way to breakfast drive up to the window at church for the Eucharist. could do the same for baptism just hold the child up to the widow and Farther pours the water over it forehead, no need to come inside.
Admittedly, and stated so…ok…wrong idea. However, never would “drive by communion” enter my mind… as did the idea re: confession via electronics…a Eucharistic Minister can bring an invalid communion, and for that matter, I can baptize as long as the formula is correct…for that matter an atheist can baptize…as long as the formula is accurate upon the request of a recipient, as might be the case of impending death…

far fetched?..well, I can tell you many many persons who have returned to the faith via EWTN…brought to you by television>>>>>:D
 
How would the priest know that the supposed “penitent” was for real? People could e-mail in fake confessions for sport. The whole idea of e-mailed confessions is rife with problems, and wouldn’t be valid anyway.
 
=DENNYINMI;8635829]Admittedly, and stated so…ok…wrong idea. However, never would “drive by communion” enter my mind… as did the idea re: confession via electronics…a Eucharistic Minister can bring an invalid communion, and for that matter, I can baptize as long as the formula is correct…for that matter an atheist can baptize…as long as the formula is accurate upon the request of a recipient, as might be the case of impending death…
ok I am going to assume you meant an Extra ordinary minister of holy communion and not a Eucharistic minister, as a eucharistic minister would be a deacon, priest, or bishop. Give that If the EMHC was not validialy commissioned for this ministry the yes it would be illict but not invalid. the only way to recv an invalid communion would be if the Priest or bishop did not consecrate the bread and wine.

And yes in case of impending death anyone may baptze. maybe this would be a better example Do it your self baptism kit:

go on line and order. come with a vial of holy water and a vidio tape of the priest saying the the words and a litted can arm to pour the water over you so as not to be doing it your self.
far fetched?..well, I can tell you many many persons who have returned to the faith via EWTN…brought to you by television>>>>>:D
And for that and the other forms of mass media we have today we have been blesed by God. However that does not make the nessiety of interpersoanl contact for the sacrements not needed.

I do apoligize if I am coming across as attacking I do not mean to. I just find all this usen of modern technology to replase realy contact with other people disturbing. I am reminded of books such as Fahrenheit 451 when I hear things like this and my response is to get sarcastic.
 
The only method I see that could work for shut ins would be some sort of video conferencing such as face to face skpye because you are seeing the person via a webcam. Otherwise, I guess it would have to depend on the situation since technology should be used as a vehicle to get closer to god and not a quick excuse to get something “out of the way.”
Would the Church allow it?
 
E-mail is not secure. The messages route through many machines from sender to recipient, and can be accessed at any of them via hacking. Even the courts have said that e-mails, unlike the postal mail, are not confidential.

The seal of confession cannot be maintained in this situationICXC NIKA
This would be a good reason to prohibit or restrict such confessions, but it’s not really a matter of validity. Confessions sometimes must be conducted in environments that are not 100% secure.
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How would the priest know that the supposed “penitent” was for real? People could e-mail in fake confessions for sport.
People already do fake confessions in person. I have not seen that used as a reason to prohibit in-person confessions.

There is nothing new about email and confession that hasn’t been discussed before about communication by phone, radio, letter, etc. The issue plain and simple is that sacraments must take place in person to be valid.

An interesting question is whether using email between a confessor and penitent would be valid if they are in each other’s presence.
 
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