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This, very much this.
- With that kind of life behind you, even if you can squeak into Heaven your Purgatory will be long and ferocious.
Your other three points important as well. Great answer, quite complete.
This, very much this.
- With that kind of life behind you, even if you can squeak into Heaven your Purgatory will be long and ferocious.
The risk part has already been answered. You do not know where and how you will die. You will also have to find a confessor, remember all your sins and have contrition for your sins. You also won’t have much time to live in grace and enjoy the fruits of the confession.What is stopping you from doing sin for most of your life before just confessing it all at your deathbed.
This is an interesting point. A lot of ethical atheists and agnostics end up arriving at this conclusion; they try to live decent lives and love their neighbor because they think it’s an ethically correct thing to do. Some of them even think of their only “legacy” as being whatever good they were able to do on earth, or being able to touch the lives of others in a positive way. While this works for some people, I don’t think it would work for me personally because there are too many different dueling systems of “ethics” out there (for example, some endorse “ethical” suicide, or “ethical” abortion, etc) and ultimately all the human reasoning in this area does not provide enough motivation for me to want to continue living on earth, especially after loved ones die. I’d probably just check out of life at some point and reason that I was doing an ethical thing by freeing up the planet’s resources for somebody who wanted to still live here.The point of living as a Christian is not earning your way into a higher quality afterlife. I call that the retirement theory of religion. Its the idea that you are supposed to refrain from what you really want to do in this life as an investment into the next.
That is not Christianity. I am not sure its even moral.
We should, each of us, live a good, proper and moral life for its own sake.
This is similar to my own view (but maybe not exactly the same). I would not phrase it in the negative - avoiding sin. I would frame it purely positively - live a good life, where “good” encompasses morality, faith and love. In my opinion, Heaven is not meant to be joy to compensate us for pain. It is meant to be a perfect version of the type of life we cannot live perfectly in this life. We cannot be perfectly holy and totally with God in this life, but we try to do so. The idea of heaven is that we will be able to attain that state, which we is not attainable on the mortal coil. We are trying for heaven on earth, knowing we cannot achieve it, but hoping we will see it someday.The thing about the afterlife for Christians is that it’s not just perpetual happiness, it’s being united with God. We’re supposed to be striving to become more like God while we’re still on earth, so that we progress closer to this goal all the time. It’s not so much that we give up sinful pleasure X in order to earn 10 points towards “higher quality afterlife”, it’s that we avoid sin in order to progress closer to the goal of being holy and with God.
what more would you expect him to say about someone who had a plan like the one in Post #1?“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
If you did, you’d regret it.If you’ve spent your whole life saying NO to God, I can’t imagine that you’d be able to suddenly turn on a dime and give God your eternal yes with any kind of sincerity.