Why Not Older Vocations?

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True. I suppose I can tailor my weekends at retreat houses and monasteries. Great idea!

I would also like the whole communal aspect, but oh well. One can’t have it all.

When you say weekend at home, what do you mean?
I have had mini-retreat days at home, where I set up a course of reading, meditation, or time at adoration and not worry about any home commitments.

Not knowing anything about your home commitments, I wasn’t sure if you would be able to go away every weekend. I also wonder if an order or even retreat house would let you stay that often.

We have several retreat places nearby here. My husband goes on an Ignatian (silent) retreat for a week every year. We have a dominican house and a benedictan abbey. We are so blessed!
 
I have had mini-retreat days at home, where I set up a course of reading, meditation, or time at adoration and not worry about any home commitments.

Not knowing anything about your home commitments, I wasn’t sure if you would be able to go away every weekend. I also wonder if an order or even retreat house would let you stay that often.

We have several retreat places nearby here. My husband goes on an Ignatian (silent) retreat for a week every year. We have a dominican house and a benedictan abbey. We are so blessed!
I wouldn’t be able to do weekends easily at all. My teens need supervision. I could possibly do one weekend, if my sister would allow my kids to spend a couple of nights at her house.

But in another 4 years, absolutely!
 
Well, the problem you find with wearing Habits part time is what Father David Mary explains here: franciscanbrothersminor.com/FBM/Discernment_Part_XII_Making_a_%22Habit%22_out_of_it.html As you can see, wearing it part time causes problems. It’s like wearing a wedding ring part time.
I like what Father David Mary has to say-and he’s certainly NOT afraid to ‘tell it like it is’! Good for him! 👍

I discovered the Franciscan Minor Brothers website a couple of days ago-what a great group they are! Or maybe I should say, ‘AWESOME’!

Love especially the video of their visit to Philly! They were climbing up the stairs of the art museum to the theme from ‘Rocky’! I had all I could do to keep from laughing out loud in the library! Very cool!
 
I like what Father David Mary has to say-and he’s certainly NOT afraid to ‘tell it like it is’! Good for him! 👍

I discovered the Franciscan Minor Brothers website a couple of days ago-what a great group they are! Or maybe I should say, ‘AWESOME’!

Love especially the video of their visit to Philly! They were climbing up the stairs of the art museum to the theme from ‘Rocky’! I had all I could do to keep from laughing out loud in the library! Very cool!
Yeah, they’re so awesome! I contacted them, and the Vocations Director told me to call him if I had any more questions. I want to call him today, but I’m really nervous that I’ll stutter. Maybe I’ll just have to bite the bullet?

I’m sorry to get off topic. I’m just so ecstatic about them after watching this set of videos: youtube.com/watch?v=45ldNeBtje0 I just imagined myself being there, and I was so overwhelmed with happiness. I couldn’t believe these Friars weren’t smiling when they received the Habit. I was smiling and I wasn’t even there! 😛
 
Yeah, they’re so awesome! I contacted them, and the Vocations Director told me to call him if I had any more questions. I want to call him today, but I’m really nervous that I’ll stutter. Maybe I’ll just have to bite the bullet?

I’m sorry to get off topic. I’m just so ecstatic about them after watching this set of videos: youtube.com/watch?v=45ldNeBtje0 I just imagined myself being there, and I was so overwhelmed with happiness. I couldn’t believe these Friars weren’t smiling when they received the Habit. I was smiling and I wasn’t even there! 😛
What is the significance of the beards?
 
I don’t believe they shave. That’s perfectly fine, as I’d love a big beard.
And besides, beards are part of the Capuchin ‘tradition’! 🙂

Man, some of those beards are pretty bushy! They got no hair on their heads, but a lot of it on their faces!
😃
 
And besides, beards are part of the Capuchin ‘tradition’! 🙂

Man, some of those beards are pretty bushy! They got no hair on their heads, but a lot of it on their faces!
😃
I wouldn’t say no hair per say. Some of them have full heads of hair, they’re just not allowed to let it grow thicker, as is tradition.

Friars are known for their busy beards. Take a look at the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal. Their bushy beards are one of their trademarks.
 
I wouldn’t say no hair per say. Some of them have full heads of hair, they’re just not allowed to let it grow thicker, as is tradition.

Friars are known for their busy beards. Take a look at the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal. Their bushy beards are one of their trademarks.
The Franciscans of the Renewal are also of the Capuchin tradition as well.

I’ve seen pictures of the friars, and quite a few of them have really bushy beards! 😃

The more I’ve read about the Franciscan Brothers Minor, the more I can see a similarity to the Franciscans of the Immaculate. They both live an ascetic life, and they both have the vow of consecration to Mary Immaculate (the FBMs call her ‘The Immaculate’ as do the FIs) in addition to their vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.
 
Back on topic:

Someone posted to me the " emerging charism of canonical hermits-in-their-own-homes" as an option for those who feel called a little later than in the springtime of youth.

It’s sort of a lay recluse program, as I understand it. I hope the poster will post more information here.

Cloisters

Has anyone heard of something like this?
 
Back on topic:

Someone posted to me the " emerging charism of canonical hermits-in-their-own-homes" as an option for those who feel called a little later than in the springtime of youth.

It’s sort of a lay recluse program, as I understand it. I hope the poster will post more information here.

Cloisters

Has anyone heard of something like this?
This is “Cloisters”. I’m a former cloister discerner who started a support group for the sake of cloistered vocations. We were originally called the Society of Our Lady of the Cloister, and our minimal statutes were verbally approved by my local bishop in TN in 1990. I also married in that year.

Before we had internet access, I was mailing packages of cloister vocation literature across the country. Now that we have the internet, we have gone totally cyber. (Postal rates had something to do with that, also). The internet helps us reach more people, and I have corresponded with supporters and discerners from around the world.

cloisters.tripod.com/

While I was still single, though, and had aspirations toward the cloister, I started developing an eremitical lifestyle, and my bishop told me that the order I wanted to start–the Cloisterites–could be done by just me. I didn’t know about canon 603 at the time. Through my internet ministry, I met women attracted to the charism, and plans were made for them to converge at an aspirant’s house. That was in 2008. All of our plans fell through, and I told everyone to stay put. I was advised about canon 603, and that it could be applied to our situation. After advising the aspirants of this development, they said that being hermits suited them. I had to live the life as much as possible, in order to develop their Plan of Life, and that’s how I found my own identity as a lay eremitic/recluse. While developing the Cloisterite Plan of Life, I made my own Personal Prayer Rule (PPR) which builds on the spirituality of the lay Dominicans and Passionists. I have adapted a “habit” of ball cap (in order to practice “covering” more clandestinely) and hoodie with my order affiliation pin.

This is what True Light is referring to. Those wishing consecration under canon 603 have to live as lay eremites for a number of years, developing their charism, as each canonical hermit is their own charism. They may eventually attract adherents, as the Desert Fathers and Mothers did, and a new religious community would emerge.

Older vocations can do the same by working on a Personal Prayer Rule with their spiritual director.

The Cloisterites have persevered to making temporary private promises (not vows) in the privacy of their own homes, which has to be done because the group isn’t out of the preparatory phase yet. They’re considered a Private Preparatory Association of Christ’s faithful with the Intention of becoming an Institute of Religious Life.

I hope everyone can keep all this straight, as they usually try to bundle everything in to one organization, which is incorrect.

To summarize:

I am a lay recluse running a private lay association of Christ’s faithful known as Cloister Outreach: cloisters.tripod.com/ Our statutes, which stated support for the cloisters, emerging charisms, and foundations as per discerner needs, were verbally approved by Bishop Anthony J. O’Connell in 1990.

I have started a private preparatory association known as the Cloisterite Hermits, who plan to eventually have a recognized Plan of Life and be consecrated under canon 603:

cloisters.tripod.com/cloisterites/

As per the bishop’s instructions, laity are also invited to share the spirituality:

cloisters.tripod.com/lay_cloisterites/

The Lay Cloisterites are required for those who intend to become Cloisterite Hermits.

The hermits have an entrance process known as Vena Cava, because the Plan of Life is known as Nesting in the Sacred Heart. It is based on Carthusian and Reparatrix spirituality (being that of Blessed Emilie and the Society of Mary Reparatrix). However, the Plan of Life permits the use of laura* typologies *from other spiritual traditions (Carthusian, Camaldolese, etc.).

I shall make another post on the concept of the “Betty Order” for mature vocations.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
Good morning from Ireland.

I need to make a few points that counter the generalisations of the quotation in the OP, please.

Like all generalisations it is true for some cases; I suspect here that there is a broad male /female divide also… That it is easier for men than for women to adjust in older decades…

Motivation matters also; many on the forum express regret that they did not enter at a young age. This is often part of what psychs call a mid-life crisis. Interestingly many women leave convents at this age, saying eg I could have been a doctor. . .This needs careful and compassionate handling; why should it be in some way “holier” or serving God more in an order than seeking ways with greater leisure to serve the needy who in these hard times are all around us?.

I also disagree with the premise that religious formation is easier in older years.it is easier in older years… As we age we grow l…ess flexible physically and mentally… Maybe two generations ago when women did nto have careeers it was easier. But how hard and harrowing for an older woman who has been in charge all her life to suddenly be as nothing and to take orders in every detail of her life?. From younger .women. they may not be compatible with and with whom they live in very close quarters?.

It also depends on the state oif the order. Traditionally and historicaly the young ones entering would take care of the older ones… As a part of serving Christ… Now here we are seeing most of the orders with very few members and they all old… .So the old ones are being sent to secular nursing homes. Such orders cannot take on more older folk…

And the formation director may not be skilled in dealing with older candidates…
Of course it is possible. Of course for some it works admirably.

But so many fall away over eg “they made me scrub floors” or wash dishes etc.

Always care and always individual approach…
 
That’s scary!
It is very, very sad and has been happening many years here.

One Poor Clare monastery now has only six left and onloy five are still there’ all well over 70. Ten years.ago they had fourteen and only one of the .deaths ha.s happened there. Several have been sent to nursing homes because the remaining Sisters, even with some outside help, cannot cope with eg Altzheimers .

They now have one postulant; an older woman who has been waiting years to enter as she was caring for a sick …relative

A few orders have maybe one or two novices, but the average age of religious here is 78 and rising each .year/ Some orders have sold houses and built nursing homes for their old ones.

One small House of English Benedictines now has t wo Nigerian postulants.

It gives a different dimension to the issues… Not sure hwat the situation there is?
 
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