Why not speak out against Protestants?

[unacanta]

Firstly,… don’t let you dreams fade…!

Secondly,… railing against protestants (revolutionaries) to Catholics doesn’t do anything constructive,… and doing so to protestants just makes them pissy and even the less receptive to the sense of what they’re missing by not being Catholic.

Catholics KNOW that protestants are missing out, and feel sorry for them, but they understand that they are stubborn children who can’t be nudged into a receptive position by annoying them.

Protestants KNOW that they are RIGHT, and yet are very insecure with what they KNOW to the point of having to rail against Catholics to have anything interesting to talk about.

So, what do you do?

Be a model of holiness, and let God do God’s work in God’s way.

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

The best way to “nudged” us is to bring scripture to our mind with proper understanding. For example, let us consider the book of Tobit. Trent has declared it to be sacred scripture, I have to admit I missied out on reading until I heard on a debate between Fr. Peter Stravinskas and James White concerning Purgatory where the question was put to Stravinskas if paying alms we could pay for our sins. His response was " You can pay now or pay later"

Of course I was quite shocked, I investigated to see if it were so.

I quote from the NAB

Tobit 4:10
Almsgiving frees one from death, and keeps one from going into the dark abode.

Douay-Rheims
4:11. For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness.

I assume we are talking about spiritual death here and the “dark abode” or darkness being hell or maybe purgatory??

Even more striking is this:

Tobit 12:9 for almsgiving saves one from death and expiates every sin. Those who regularly give alms shall enjoy a full life;

Douay-Rheims
12:9. For alms delivereth from death, and the same is that which purgeth away sins, and maketh to find mercy and life everlasting.

Again, death must mean spirtiual death, but “expiates or purge sin”? I thought you guys told me that was what purgatory did.

Protestant theology has always taught it was the blood of Christ which expiated sin.

From this I gather I can write a check to cover my sins, note it says “every sin”. Please, do tell, what I must pay, purgatory is not mine, I am landing directly in heaven with this new found way of expiating sin.

 

[mikew262]

Why not speak out against Protestants? Maybe, because they are your brothers and sisters in the Lord. No Christian should speak out against a fellow Christian in a negative way.

I Agree!

 

[anamchara]

I am old enough (over 70) to remember the relationships between protestants and Catholics well before Vatican II. They were often non-existent. World War II came along and then Korea. Protestants and Catholics shared foxholes,barracks, and danger. We learned there were real people outside of our self imposed ghettos. It got very hard to continue to treat each other as some form of sub-human or vermin. One may blame it all on political correctness, but I think that most of us have learned that we have more in common than we have in opposition. Want to defend your Faith one- on- one, do it, but do so respectfully. Protestants do not consider converting when Catholics treat them like some sort of religous sub-human.

God Bless you! Great insight

Then why do dialogues like this take place: nccbuscc.org/comm/archives/2004/04-197.shtml

Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

How funny, all this acrimony and our US Bishops are setting at the table with Protestants. I wonder if anyone even brothered to go read your link This warms my heart, thank you for posting it.“This round of dialogues on the church builds on over thirty years of international dialogues between the World Methodist Council and the Holy See and previous United Methodist-United States Conference of Catholic Bishops dialogues. The goal of these dialogues is full visible unity between the churches.”

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think I would describe WELS as a mainline Protestant Church. If you want a mainline Protestant Church, think about the United Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Evangelical Lutheran Church, the Episcopal Church, etc. [Sorry, posted before seeing Edwin’s comments above…he addressed the point already].

I think you are right,here’s a more concise definition.

(also sometimes called mainstream) or mainline Protestant denominations are those Protestant denominations with a mix of moderate and liberal theologies. The hallmark of the mainline churches is moderation. Their theologies tend to be influenced by the Historical-critical method and culture at large, consciously or not. Ministers and members of mainline churches generally are comfortable with inclusive language translations of the Bible. They tend to be open to new ideas and societal changes without abandoning what they consider to be the historical basis of the Christian faith.[1] This places them to the left of the evangelical churches. They have been increasingly open to the ordination of women. They have been far from uniform in their reaction to homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals, though less dogmatic on these issues than either the Roman Catholic Church or the more conservative Protestant churches. Mainline churches take no set view with regard to military service — all provide chaplains to the United States armed forces and none are historically peace churches except the Church of the Brethren — but express reservations about aggressive use of military force for any reason.
Mainline churches tend to belong to organizations such as the National Council of Churches and World Council of Churches.

If you were a person of another faith, who grew up living next to a group of bigoted Catholics, the chance that you would convert is slim. Same holds true for Catholics living next to bigoted(name the religion).

If you want to attract people to the Catholic Faith, then, live as a good Catholic. Be kind and charitable as Christ was. Non-judgemental and not an “in-your-face” Catholic which is a major turn-off.

As the saying goes, “you will attract more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.”

Jim

Amen!

 

[Lapell]

I only read the OP…
Just from the fact that Jesus gave the keys to the Kingdom of God I don’t see how it means that we should “speak out against Protestants” and call them names! Not very Christlike, if you ask me!
Yes, you have to tell the people about the hope that is dwelling within you… when the time is ripe, and then with kind words, not with lightning and thunder and an army ready to destroy anyone who doesn’t seem to believe right away, on the spot! By no means!!
I once thought like that years ago! It never worked. All it did was severing the relationships or sending them away from me! I was at fault, of course, I didn’t know better… and so I had to examine myself, see what i said and did wrong, and make a change… it was not easy. But I fortunately had some great help from comprehensive people. Thanks be to God for them…
So do hate the sin, but please don’t also hate the ones who sin and the ones who err! That would not honor God, on the contrary!
God bless you!