Why not use patens at Mass

[carmel2013]

Thank you Sursum-Corda:

That’s all I was looking for – the philosophy as to why patens or communion plates stopped being used at Mass.

Yes, it is the priest’s decision, which I do accept with humility, but SHEESH! Why is it so hard just to get an honest answer?

God bless you all.

 

[Irishmom2]

That’s all I was looking for

Yes, it is the priest’s decision, which I do accept with humility, but SHEESH! Why is it so hard just to get an honest answer?

I guess because after 60 something posts, you finally found the one that agrees with what you wanted to hear?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Thank you Sursum-Corda:

That’s all I was looking for – the philosophy as to why patens or communion plates stopped being used at Mass.

Somebody claiming “the impact of false modern ideas” is what you were looking for?
Sheesh is right…sounds like you were just looking for somebody to agree with you that this is a horrible thing, instead of actually having a reasonable discussion.

 

[Irishmom2]

Yes, I was wondering how out of all the things posted, it was determined that that post alone was correct…

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I guess because after 60 something posts, you finally found the one that agrees with what you wanted to hear?

I don’t like it when people misuse the forum in this way, presenting themselves as asking a question and then turning off their hearing aid until somebody basically agrees with them, at which point they claim that answer was the only “honest” one (or the only correct one, etc.).

OP, this thread is full of honest, good, well-reasoned posts. The fact that they didn’t all agree with your position does not merit a “sheesh” or an expression of frustration or a dismissal. You’re just showing how closed-minded you are.

 

[JanetF]

This seems to be similar to some churches not using bells at the consecration. They aren’t required, so either way is acceptable. Personally I like the bells, but my parish hasn’t used them for years. It doesn’t mean the miracle doesn’t occur though.

 

[DignumEtJustum]

Yes… I tend to see them used more often than not nowadays.

 

[carmel2013]

Once again, apparently I did not express myself well. For that I am sorry.

I thanked Sursum-Corda for that particular response:

“The underlying policy behind all this is the post Vatican 2 churches decision that reverence for the Eucharist was “exaggerated” and strict practices like a patten to catch particles of a Host could be abandoned.”

because it gave a general view of why the use of patens/communion plates was discontinued. Not because it was an answer I agreed with or disagreed with.

Throughout the years there have been practices that have come into and gone out of usage, for a variety of reasons. Apparently, there are many here who don’t believe me but I was sincerely only looking for the reason patens fell out of general usage.

As to the many responses, thank you for them, but most of them were on the order of “We haven’t used them in years” or referred to the military’s usage of them (or not), or whether I was just questioning it because I didn’t like the answers I was getting (which were actually nonanswers or proven to be inaccurate). It’s like I had asked why people no longer use VHS and being told “I haven’t used them in years” or “occasionally my grandma uses it,” and never actually getting the actually answer to the question, “other technologies have come out since that are easier, less expensive, and have made VHS obsolete.”

Thank you for the discussion, I wish God will continue to richly bless you.

 

[Pup7]

As to the many responses, thank you for them, but most of them were on the order of “We haven’t used them in years” or referred to the military’s usage of them (or not), or whether I was just questioning it because I didn’t like the answers I was getting (which were actually nonanswers or proven to be inaccurate). It’s like I had asked why people no longer use VHS and being told “I haven’t used them in years” or “occasionally my grandma uses it,” and never actually getting the actually answer to the question, “other technologies have come out since that are easier, less expensive, and have made VHS obsolete.”

And that is the beauty of an online forum.

Discussion amongst people who respond.

 

[Irishmom2]

because it gave a general view of why the use of patens/communion plates was discontinued. Not because it was an answer I agreed with or disagreed with.

Well, you were told by more than one poster, that it might have to do with the number of altar servers needed with all of the Eucharistic ministers.

But instead, you accepted the Vatican2 is the cause of all evil choice. So, it is actually the one you agree with, because it is the one you chose to accept.

 

[carmel2013]

I didn’t know that I thought Vatican2 is the cause of all evil. Interesting especially as I was an infant during the time of the Council.

I’m done here. I honestly didn’t ask the question to cause an argument or to be analyzed just seeking information so I could try to understand what’s going on in my parish. Oh well… Not going to respond any further.

God bless,

 

[exnihilo]

Yes, our parish is in turmoil: In less than three weeks our parish has gone from daily Mass/daily Confession to one weekday Mass and one day of Confessions and it has rocked us hard.

Not surprising. These are the symptoms of the underlying problem.

When they asked why, among the answers given was, “The Hosts are now made so that there are no particles to fall.”

You’ll likely never hear the real reason.

What say you? Is there a good reason not to use them?

A good reason to not use them is the lack of servers or lack of patens.

It isn’t a requirement to use them. But in my opinion their use flows from a great devotion to the Eucharist.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

Yes, they hold them level, they return them to the Altar (visible particles or not) where they are purified with the other vessels. Only those who have the strength may be in that position (the sweet little 7 year old new server won’t be holding the paten).

My, husband, who has not decided to come home, was totally awestruck by the level of reverence for the body of Christ at mass. Patens, kneeling, and the priest consuming what remains. It’s beautiful. Honestly.