Why Peter and not Simon?

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Okay…This is a question for mostly protestants who believe that the rock on which Jesus built his church is NOT Peter

IF YOU BELIEVE THIS THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON JESUS CALLS HIM PETER(ROCK) AND NOT SIMON OR ANOTHER NAME???

I’VE HEARD THAT PEOPLE SAY THAT PETER WAS NOT THE ROCK BECAUSE IN GREEK THEY USE THE FEMININE FOR ROCK AND MASCULINE FOR PETER…OFCOURSE THIS DOES NOT HOLD UP IN THE ARAMAIC WHICH IS LIKE ENGLISH AND HAS NO DISTINCTION

BUT THEN WHY WOULD JESUS EVEN CALL HIM PETER?
 
Okay…This is a question for mostly protestants who believe that the rock on which Jesus built his church is NOT Peter

IF YOU BELIEVE THIS THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON JESUS CALLS HIM PETER(ROCK) AND NOT SIMON OR ANOTHER NAME???

I’VE HEARD THAT PEOPLE SAY THAT PETER WAS NOT THE ROCK BECAUSE IN GREEK THEY USE THE FEMININE FOR ROCK AND MASCULINE FOR PETER…OFCOURSE THIS DOES NOT HOLD UP IN THE ARAMAIC WHICH IS LIKE ENGLISH AND HAS NO DISTINCTION

BUT THEN WHY WOULD JESUS EVEN CALL HIM PETER?
Because of Simon’s confession, Jesus said, on this rock I will build my church. St. Peter’s confession and later his leadership helped build and define Christ’s church on earth. Of course, the leadership of St. Paul and the other apostles did the same.

Jon
 
But, he could have made the confession with out a name change. Why did Jesus change his name?
 
Because of Simon’s confession, Jesus said, on this rock I will build my church. St. Peter’s confession and later his leadership helped build and define Christ’s church on earth. Of course, the leadership of St. Paul and the other apostles did the same.

Jon
This was to those who don’t believe that Peter is the rock
 
What about the change from Saul to Paul, just mentioned in passing.
Apparantly, Paul was Saul’s Roman name. He was not re-named, he only used his Roman name (Paul) on his missionary journeys. Paul’s name change had no such significance as Simon Peter’s. In Palestine, Paul would have used his Jewish name, Saul. When traveling abroad, he used his Roman name.
 
What about the change from Saul to Paul, just mentioned in passing.
Lets not get off topic. please.

The change from saul to paul was to have a more roman name i think…

the point is to those who don’t believe peter is the rock…

Why then would Jesus call him peter(rock) in the same sentence he says upon this rock i will built my church
 
Lets not get off topic. please.

The change from saul to paul was to have a more roman name i think…

the point is to those who don’t believe peter is the rock…

Why then would Jesus call him peter(rock) in the same sentence he says upon this rock i will built my church
It’s actually an interesting point, one that I’d never really considered before. If Jesus wanted to rename him for some other reason then why give him a new name that was even remotely related to rock? Didn’t he realise that people ever afterwards would be confused, and take his doing so wrongly? :confused:
 
I have thought of this myself and I look forward to reading this thread.
 
Having been both Protestant and Catholic here are the interpretations as I see them:

Peter: The Rock… on which I build this church. (Catholic)

Peter: the pebble (chuck swindoll’s interpretation) on which I build this church-- the confession that “thou art the Christ, the son of the living God”.

So to a protestant, the confession is where the rock is built and not on Peter.

in Christ
Steph
 
Having been both Protestant and Catholic here are the interpretations as I see them:

Peter: The Rock… on which I build this church. (Catholic)

Peter: the pebble (chuck swindoll’s interpretation) on which I build this church-- the confession that “thou art the Christ, the son of the living God”.

So to a protestant, the confession is where the rock is built and not on Peter.

in Christ
Steph
You’re missing the entire point of the question. Of course we perfectly understand the Protestant viewpoint that the rock is Peter’s confession, it’s hardly difficult to do so.

The question which remains is this. Let’s for a moment assume that the Protestants are correct, that Peter’s CONFESSION is the Rock. Why, in such a case, is PETER (the man) renamed either ‘pebble’ or ‘rock’ - or indeed given any new name at all?

A name change in Biblical terms is of great significance, usually meaning a change in the person’s status - think Abram becoming Abraham or Jacob Israel.

That being the case, Peter’s confession being the rock is no reason for the man himself to receive a name change, since he himself would be of the same significance before and afterwards. Like Jesus said, the confession came straight from God through Peter, and was not of Peter’s own doing, so of itself it was not reason for Peter to have a new name given him.

I hope that makes the point clearer for you.
 
Of course I understand. I do get your point.

As far as the name change goes, It was one of the things that led me to the belief in the Papacy.

in Christ
Steph
 
If I may derail this thread…

I just noticed that there are two Simon’s in Jesus’ 12. One could logic the name was to differentiate so there wouldn’t be confusion, but, this is negated on impact when one delves into the list and sees that there are also two James and two Judas…depending on spelling. Of half of Jesus’ immediate followers having the same name, why would he change the name of just one of them?

Some opponents will counter, “Jesus renamed other apostles.” --Yeah? Who? “James and John.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_of_Jesus#Boanerges_.28.CE.92.CE.BF.CE.B1.CE.BD.CE.B7.CF.81.CE.B3.CE.B5.CF.82.29
Boanerges (Βοανηργες)
Mark 3:17
And James, the son of Zebedee, and John, the brother of James, and he gave them the name Boanerges, which is Sons of Thunder. Jesus surnames the brothers James and John to reflect their impetuosity. The Greek rendition of their name is Βοανηργες (Boanērges).
There has been much speculation about this name. Given the Greek translation that comes with it (‘Sons of Thunder’), it seems that the first element of the name is ‘bnê’, ‘sons of’ (the plural of ‘bar’), Aramaic (בני). This is represented by βοανη (boanê), giving two vowels in the first syllable where one would be sufficient. It could be inferred from this that the Greek transliteration may not be a good one. The second part of the name is often reckoned to be ‘rğaš’ (‘tumult’) Aramaic (רניש), or ‘rğaz’ (‘anger’) Aramaic (רנז). Maurice Casey, however, argues that it is a simple misreading of the word for thunder, ‘ram' (due to the similarity of *s* to the final *m*). This is supported by one [Syriac](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_language) translation of the name as 'bnay ramâ’. The Peshitta reads ‘bnay rğešy’ which would fit with a later composition for it, based on a Byzantine reading of the original Greek.

To me, this sounds like a friendly nickname (after all John & James the Greater were in his inner circle of friends), personally. Something that He joked around with them about. At most, it sounds like it could be more of a name change about Zebedee himself rather than them. But, if it was about them, it was plural, that is, he didn’t individually change their names, but, rather grouped them together under a title. He gave them a title, it seems. I can accept that this is a nickname/title given to the men Jesus loves but not an actual name change for them for one reason and one reason only: no where else in the lists of Jesus’ followers or individually are they reffered to as this where as Peter is pretty much exclusively called, “Peter,” or, “Simon-Peter”.

After Jesus says, “You are Peter,” everybody starts calling him Peter and to this day, he is recognized as Peter. Nobody else calls JtG, & John The Sons of Thunder. On Saint Jude: “His patronage of lost or impossible causes traditionally derives from confusion by many early Christians between Jude and Judas; not understanding the difference between the names, they never prayed for Jude’s help, and devotion to him became something of a lost cause.” saints.sqpn.com/saintj03.htm Yet, God didn’t change his name, though He could forsee the confusion happening, he changes one of the Simon’s names.

If it was just the confession or to stop the confusion, why was the tradition continued?
 
From what I’ve read…?
I think this would be a great topic to bring up to a Protestant.

If any of you get a chance to speak about the Papacy or why Peter really is the Rock on which Jesus built his church:D 😃 😃
 
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