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There was a thread like this some time ago, but it’s been inactive since then. It seems like every anti-Catholic argument in existence is a pot calling the kettle black. Sure, the Church has made a few mistakes, but they are negligible compared to those of her enemies. For example:

Televangelists who preach hatred for Catholics, even when good comes out of the Church, which, to them, somehow constitutes satanism on the Pope’s part;

Richard Dawkins, who wants the pope arrested for “crimes against humanity”, when serving up justice is one of the Church’s many forms of “business”, if you will;

Ivory-tower professors who detest everything about Christianity, yet have become so wrapped up in their studies that they have no idea what goes on in the real world;

Hollywood liberals who bash the pope because an obscure parish priest molested a child, which somehow makes all priests a bastion of pedophiles, thus making the pope a malicious pimp (and I might add, the REAL sex slavery happens on the streets of Los Angeles, and is promoted by the music industry these days).

What’s the deal?
 
Interesting fact: Of all the priests accused of sex abuse in the United States alone (which has a relatively small number of total priests), the percentage of sex-abusers is less than 1%. I think it’s around 0.4% or 0.7%, one of those.

The fact is, the whole priest abusing kids thing is blown out of proportion in the minds of Catholics and non-Catholics alike. It’s not the media’s fault—they’re simply reporting. People just tend to stereotype, and it shows the ultimate ignorance of humanity as a whole.

I remember recently when the Pope visited the UK. Everyone was protesting his messages of “hatred” and “intolerance”. But if anyone bothered to listen to his homilies and his statements to the youth, they were all about the love of God, the denying of temptations and evil, and the love for each other. I remember telling my mother sarcastically: “This is really evil and Satanic, right?” while we listened to one of his homilies. Then I proceeded to brag about why my Catholic Church is better than her Baptist church, but that’s beside the point.

Anyway, people who have been lied to their entire lives begin to believe such lies. Joseph Goebbels said “If you tell a lie enough times, people will begin to believe it”.

The Church is the mother of all Protestants. Without the Catholic Church, there would be no church services they attend, no Bible they read, no Trinity they know of, no Jesus preached to the world. And the entire Reformation was based off of the corruption of Church officials and not any of the Church’s doctrines. Martin Luther even said that the Church is right on most issues, and if any Protestant were to look at the doctrinal differences between Catholics and themselves, they would see differences only in the role of the Bishops, the Eucharist, the Immaculate Conception, and the Assumption. In reality, this really isn’t that much of a difference when compared to what people like Jerry Falwell or Jack Chick would tell you.

If only they would study. Then they’d know. But, like most people in the world (including Catholics), they only want to believe what they were raised to believe and nothing more.
 
Here’s one Protestant who loves you guys. 👍 You are the targets of many of Satan’s attacks, and the world (including many misguided parts of the Christian world) are grossly unfair towards you. Ok, unfair isn’t strong enough. They make up ridiculous stuff about you and slander the name of our Lord in the process.

Praying for your strength to endure such pathetic taunting!
 
I wish you could just make every basher watch the ‘coming home’ video a dozen times 🙂
It does a great job of restoring balance to the equation.
 
Here’s one Protestant who loves you guys. 👍 You are the targets of many of Satan’s attacks, and the world (including many misguided parts of the Christian world) are grossly unfair towards you. Ok, unfair isn’t strong enough. They make up ridiculous stuff about you and slander the name of our Lord in the process.

Praying for your strength to endure such pathetic taunting!
👍

Jon
 
These people need to stop looking at the splinter in some people’s eyes and look at the redwood tree in their own.
 
I was raised evangelical Protestant and didn’t become Catholic until I was 47 years old.

Although some evangelical Protestant denominations, especially the Fundamental denominations, are extremely and frighteningly anti-Catholics, my particular denomination (Conference Baptist) was not avidly anti-Catholic (quite the opposite).

But even though we accepted that Catholics were Christians and even worked with one of the local parishes on various projects, we still believed (wrongly) that they taught many non-Christian things (e.g., ritualistic worship, salvation through works, Marian worship, etc.) and added things to the Bible (which the Bible forbids).

So for many Protestants, it is their Christian “duty” to oppose something that they consider wrong and harmful to Christ, and to try to help Catholics come to a full knowledge of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Can you blame them? After all, Catholics, too, believe in opposing those people and organizations that are contrary to Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. So why should we criticize Protestants who are only trying to be true to Jesus and honor Him?

It would be better for Catholics to do everything in our power to educate Protestants so that they would come to see that they are incorrect in their understanding of the Catholic Church. And that means maintaining friendships and being respectful and trusting that the Lord really WILL draw all men to Himself when He is lifted up (as He is in Holy Mass).

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Unity WILL happen. It’s already happening. I’ve only been around this earth for 53 years, but I’ve seen amazing changes in relationships between Catholics and Protestants, mainly evangelical Protestants. I actually believe that within the next 20 years, we will see the collapse of evangelical Protestantism and the return of millions of evangelicals to the Catholic Church.

I’m not a prophet, but I see this happening, and it’s like watching a landslide. Right now there are a few trickles of pebbles e.g., my husband and myself and other evangelicals who are converts. Occasionally we see a boulder rolling down the hill in the form of a respected and famous evangelical who converts to Catholicism. But the avalanche is inevitable. Right now all the rage in evangelical churches is the 'emergent church" trend, in which “Catholic” worship is used (e.g., candles, chant, lectio divina, Latin, confession of sins, study of the saints and Mary, etc.). Many evangelical magazines feature articles debating this movement and the question is, “Is the emergent church leading us all back to Rome?” Well, duh! Of course it is!

Twenty years ago, even ten years ago, my father in law and mother in law were utterly opposed to the Catholic Church. They were raised in the Assemblies of God, an evangelical/Pentecostal denomination that has traditionally taught that Catholics are anti-Christ.

But in recent years, my FIL and MIL have been listening to Catholic radio, attending Catholic Bible studies, and watching Catholic TV, and even attending Mass. When my nephew was diagnosed with cancer, they made a trip to Our Lady of the Snows shrine to pray for him and asked the priest to pray for him.

And last night, during our celebration of his 75th birthday, my FIL asked us, "So when is the next class at your church?’ He is interested.

And amazingly, shockingly, last year, the huge Assemblies of God megachurch in our city hosted the intitial meeting of the 40 Days for Life at their church. It was utterly bizarre for me to see monks and nuns and priest in cassocks wandering the Assemblies of God sanctuary, sitting in their coffee shop, and browsing through their bookstore! It was even stranger to see the hip, young, pastor (who looks kind of like Sting) embracing Father John, a Fransican friar, during that meeting! Twenty years ago, I would have said this would never, ever happen! But it did. And we’ll see more and more of it in the next 20years, and eventually, we’ll see the evangelical Protestants come home because evangelical Protestant truly love Jesus and truly hunger and thirst after righteousness, and Jesus promised that those who hunger and thirst after righteousness WILL BE FILLED!

I think what really started changing the evangelical Protestant mindset towards Catholics was the leadership of Catholics in opposing the sin of abortion in the U.S.

Right after Roe vs. Wade, many evangelical churches were completely clueless about abortion. If you read the first edition of Tim and Beverly LaHaye’s classic marriage book, The Act of Marriage, which was published in the mid-70s, you will find a section in which these great evangelical teachers state that abortion is sad but sometimes necessary. They just didn’t know anything about abortion and what it really was and what the theological implications were. (Evangelicals were really naive about the “world” back then!)

But by the time the LaHayes published the second edition of their book only a few years later, they changed this section, stating that abortion was a grave sin and hideous evil.

This mirrors what happened in many evangelical churches back in the 70s. I graduated from high school in 1975, and I was never taught that abortion is wrong in my Conference Baptist Church. In fact, the prevalent thinking in my church seemed to be that it would be better to end a pregnancy rather than bring an unwanted child into the world and give him/her an unhappy life. We didn’t know anything.

Much of the reason for this switch of thinking in evangelical churches can be credited to the work of Dr. James Dobson, who exposed the evil of abortion on his radio show, Focus on the Family. Dr. Dobson is revered among evangelicals, and from the beginning, he understood exactly what abortion was and why it was evil, and he didn’t hesitate to tell all of us to stop burying our heads in the sand and start working to end abortion.

And in those early anti-abortion shows on Focus, Dr. Dobson had little choice–since there were so few knowledgeable Protestant people, he featured CATHOLICS who could teach what abortion was and why Christians should oppose it.

We heard about the March for Life, a very Catholic event, through Dr. Dobson.

And Dr. Dobson often lauded Catholics and the Catholic Church for leading the way in the fight against abortion.

In his latest book (Bringing Up Girls), Dr. Dobson features several chapters that include interviews with Catholics, and he actually endorses Rick Santorum for President!

So I think that in a perverse way, the evil of abortion has actually helped to bring Catholics and Evangelicals together (the name, BTW, of Chuck Colson’s and Father Richard John Neuhaus’ organization that is working to bring Catholics and Evangelicals together).
 
There was a thread like this some time ago, but it’s been inactive since then. It seems like every anti-Catholic argument in existence is a pot calling the kettle black. Sure, the Church has made a few mistakes, but they are negligible compared to those of her enemies. For example:

Televangelists who preach hatred for Catholics, even when good comes out of the Church, which, to them, somehow constitutes satanism on the Pope’s part;

Richard Dawkins, who wants the pope arrested for “crimes against humanity”, when serving up justice is one of the Church’s many forms of “business”, if you will;

Ivory-tower professors who detest everything about Christianity, yet have become so wrapped up in their studies that they have no idea what goes on in the real world;

Hollywood liberals who bash the pope because an obscure parish priest molested a child, which somehow makes all priests a bastion of pedophiles, thus making the pope a malicious pimp (and I might add, the REAL sex slavery happens on the streets of Los Angeles, and is promoted by the music industry these days).

What’s the deal?
These people are, of course, absolutely wrong. However, they did learn their methods from the master organization. Lessee…televangalists who target Catholics vs…the side bar on CAF non-Catholic religions that advertises three different books every time one visits the site–at least ONE Of which will be an anti-Mormon text. One will probably be anti-Jehovah’s Witness (sometimes in the same book as the anti-Mormon text) and Oprah Winfrey gets targeted too, as well as Islaam.

I agree with you that what the televangalists are doing to Catholicism is incorrect, discourteous, deliberate falsehood and mean spirited. There is nothing defensible about what they do, and the pot/kettle metaphor certainly applies.

To both sides.
 
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Unity WILL happen. It’s already happening. I’ve only been around this earth for 53 years, but I’ve seen amazing changes in relationships between Catholics and Protestants, mainly evangelical Protestants. I actually believe that within the next 20 years, we will see the collapse of evangelical Protestantism and the return of millions of evangelicals to the Catholic Church.
A good post Cat with much that I agree with. The only thing I am not so sure about is “blanket unity” (which you may not be saying).

The Protestant world is so deeply divided withing itself between liberal / progressive wings and conservative / orthodox ones. The liberal sides are OK with gay “marriage”, not very hard on abortion, fully embrace women pastors, etc. while the conservative sides are much closer to us.

I just can’t see the liberal Protestants ever being united with us. Actually, I see them falling further and further away (and eventually, just disappearing).

I have a lot of hope for the conservative side, but even they will have to overcome their own organizational inertia. I have no idea what the compelling events that achieve that will be.
 
=JackVk;7167982]There was a thread like this some time ago, but it’s been inactive since then. It seems like every anti-Catholic argument in existence is a pot calling the kettle black. Sure, the Church has made a few mistakes, but they are negligible compared to those of her enemies. For example:
Televangelists who preach hatred for Catholics, even when good comes out of the Church, which, to them, somehow constitutes satanism on the Pope’s part;
Richard Dawkins, who wants the pope arrested for “crimes against humanity”, when serving up justice is one of the Church’s many forms of “business”, if you will;
Ivory-tower professors who detest everything about Christianity, yet have become so wrapped up in their studies that they have no idea what goes on in the real world;
Hollywood liberals who bash the pope because an obscure parish priest molested a child, which somehow makes all priests a bastion of pedophiles, thus making the pope a malicious pimp (and I might add, the REAL sex slavery happens on the streets of Los Angeles, and is promoted by the music industry these days).
What’s the deal?
Not only is the LARGEST TARGET easiest to hit; but destroying it [the CC] is necessary to make room for ones individual truth, which most often bars little resembelence to thee actaul truth.

Like Pope Benedict say’s:

“There can’t be your truh and my truth or there would be NO TRUTH!”
 
Here’s one Protestant who loves you guys. 👍 You are the targets of many of Satan’s attacks, and the world (including many misguided parts of the Christian world) are grossly unfair towards you. Ok, unfair isn’t strong enough. They make up ridiculous stuff about you and slander the name of our Lord in the process.

Praying for your strength to endure such pathetic taunting!
Thanks a lot to you, a Protestant who understands what it’s like to be true followers of Jesus.👍

Not only the Catholics Church, but the attack is experienced by all Christians once they turn to the true Light.

BTW, The CC is much attacked and favorite bash boy among the media because she is THE team! Everybody wants to get their hands on the team. 😉
 
Why? Why not? For years, those who practiced what were described as sinful or shameful acts were embarrassed. A few loudly proclaimed their disobedience but they were a few.

In the 1950s and early 1960s, the American media respected Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular. In 1964, I opened the newspaper at Christmas and read a beautiful editorial piece about the birth of Christ and the idea of good will toward men. There was a Nativity in front of the local City Hall. It wasn’t until the 1990s that a certain group started yelling “Unconstitutional!” What? Nobody noticed it before? And besides, you weren’t forced to look at it, or put money in it or acknowledge it in any way.

I watched how, over a 40 year period, the media was turned into a profanity and porn spewing evil. What was once a guest in our home turned into a pimp and prostitute. That’s why I will watch no more than 15 minutes a week just to catch the news and a few special history items. That’s it.

Catholics are supposedly standing in the way of:

Embryonic stem cell research. A Detroit News columnist wrote that only religious people are against such research for “religious” reasons, and after all, everyone knows an embryo does not have fingers and toes. (What???)

Gay marriage. Those Catholics don’t like it? Too bad. They’re wrong. What about homosexuality being removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual in 1973 by nonscientific vote?

Pornography. What is wrong with you Catholics? I love it!! You’re all just trying to impose your morality on me! Stop it! I’ll look at whatever I want.

Alternative lifestyles: Hey, if I want to live with my girlfriend and have sex with her, it’s none of your business! “You know what the problem is with you Catholics? You’re sexually repressed!” No. We get engaged, we make plans, we get married.

The devil wants you - anybody reading this - to accept a substitute for the good that has been given us by God. Like the Hippies, they claim they’ve got a “better” way to live. As if their ‘alternative lifestyle’ was never practiced in the past.

To my fellow Catholics - turn off the TV.
Stop going to fornication movies.
Do good things for yourself and others, like developing talents and skills that will bring real joy to the world and be worthy in God’s eyes.

The world wants it their way - don’t participate. Don’t waste your time.

God bless,
Ed
 
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