Why pray to Mary or anyone other than God?

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To a lesser extent than Mary, we’re also called to co-redeem…to bring Christ into the world with all our hearts, mind, soul, and strength. Saying Yes with our whole life, like Mary.

We can do nothing on our own, of course. But God gives us great dignity to participate in the redemption of the whole world.

This is a very exciting way to live…to realize daily, hourly, that how we live has supernatural effects. How we greet people, how we deal with others…how we sacrifice for others out of love of God and His children. We may be some people’s only glimpse at the Gospel.

God gives us this incredibly important and exciting mission…to help redeem the world.

We co-operate, we have our own chance at saying “Yes, let it be done to me according to your word”.

Our fiat.
 
Wow! I had no idea the dept and richness of this matter. My old understanding is completely on it’s head. Keep it coming! I am learning so so much.

But I am still humbly confused. I just spoke to my Catholic friend whom told me that it is a requirement to invoke the Saints and Mary. I must throw the caveat here that he’s a disgruntled Catholic so I would like to hear it from another source.

What is the Catholic teaching? Is it a requirement of faith or is it person preference?
Believing in the communion of the saints is a requirement. “Invoking” - nope - not a requirement.
The only time that one would “ave to” invoke them is that they are mentioned in the canon of the mass to pray with us.
But as a persional matter? - Totally optional.

Peace
James
 
It is a requirement to believe in the immaculate conception and in the assumption of Mary, body and soul, into heaven. Beyond that, there is no requirement that I know of.
Don’t forget that we also must believe that she’s Mother of God and ever-virgin! 🙂
 
Wow! I had no idea the dept and richness of this matter. My old understanding is completely on it’s head. Keep it coming! I am learning so so much.
Hurray! I’m so glad that you are learning more about our Lord’s Blessed Mother! 🙂

But I am still humbly confused. I just spoke to my Catholic friend whom told me that it is a requirement to invoke the Saints and Mary. I must throw the caveat here that he’s a disgruntled Catholic so I would like to hear it from another source.
What is the Catholic teaching? Is it a requirement of faith or is it person preference?
It’s not a requirement, but it is definitely highly enouraged to ask for the saints’ intercession. 🙂
 
Yup, and both of those are emminently biblical. (If you don’t believe me, have a look at my blog…)
Trust me, I believe you!
“And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?”
“And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”
🙂
 
Trust me, I believe you!
“And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?”
“And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”
🙂
lol. I figured you believed me, ClamDigger. I offered the blog-link for any random thread skimmer who might not… or for our friend Stepson.
 
What part do the candles play? When does one use them?

I was in a discount grocery store and saw the candles with the Saints on them. I read the back and I understood how the reader was asking for help. I also saw how each candle ended with giving the glory to God. This all made since to me and I understood the point of intersession and not worship.

However, one candle threw me for a loop. It had a skeleton in a grave yard holding a globe. The name was in Spanish and it read Saint Death. The back of the candle was asking for power over others and gave no mention to Jesus or God. To be honest, it read like a spell. What is this?
 
What part do the candles play? When does one use them?

I was in a discount grocery store and saw the candles with the Saints on them. I read the back and I understood how the reader was asking for help. I also saw how each candle ended with giving the glory to God. This all made since to me and I understood the point of intersession and not worship.

However, one candle threw me for a loop. It had a skeleton in a grave yard holding a globe. The name was in Spanish and it read Saint Death. The back of the candle was asking for power over others and gave no mention to Jesus or God. To be honest, it read like a spell. What is this?
Probably someone’s prank for the display of the saints. At least, that’s my guess. Definitely lot something the Vatican would ever approve.
 
What part do the candles play? When does one use them?

I was in a discount grocery store and saw the candles with the Saints on them. I read the back and I understood how the reader was asking for help. I also saw how each candle ended with giving the glory to God. This all made since to me and I understood the point of intersession and not worship.
Candles may be burned as a symbol of the light of the Holy Spirit during prayer. 🙂
However, one candle threw me for a loop. It had a skeleton in a grave yard holding a globe. The name was in Spanish and it read Saint Death. The back of the candle was asking for power over others and gave no mention to Jesus or God. To be honest, it read like a spell. What is this?
This is a Mexican folk saint rooted in ancient Meso-American death cults. She is not sanctioned by the Catholic Church ***at all ***and the Church in Mexico has been trying to quell devotion to her for decades. She is basically used by narcotics dealers, jilted lovers, and prostitutes in Latin America as their unofficial patron.
 
Thank you for helping me understand this guys. You all have been a huge help. Again, I am so glad I came across this site. I have gained a lot of understanding and to my surprise acceptance of these teachings. Things I never would have thought if not for this site.

The candle is at Food Maxx in Northern California and if I had not read your posting, I would have ignorantly assumed that “Saint Death” candle is part of some backward Catholic teaching. Which now I see is quite the opposite. That candle is dangerous to someone interested in the Catholic Church and should be removed.
 
Thank you for helping me understand this guys. You all have been a huge help. Again, I am so glad I came across this site. I have gained a lot of understanding and to my surprise acceptance of these teachings. Things I never would have thought if not for this site.
This overjoys me! 🙂
The candle is at Food Maxx in Northern California and if I had not read your posting, I would have ignorantly assumed that “Saint Death” candle is part of some backward Catholic teaching. Which now I see is quite the opposite. That candle is dangerous to someone interested in the Catholic Church and should be removed.
Very dangerous indeed and gives a very bad impression to someone who doesn’t know much about Catholicism! I see them all over the place in the Hispanic grocery stores here as well. 😦
 
Thank you for helping me understand this guys. You all have been a huge help. Again, I am so glad I came across this site. I have gained a lot of understanding and to my surprise acceptance of these teachings. Things I never would have thought if not for this site.

The candle is at Food Maxx in Northern California and if I had not read your posting, I would have ignorantly assumed that “Saint Death” candle is part of some backward Catholic teaching. Which now I see is quite the opposite. That candle is dangerous to someone interested in the Catholic Church and should be removed.
Some Mexican groups are notorius for “canonizing” their own saints.

I’ve seen them refer to some Mexican drug gang member as the patron saint of drug runners. They have medals with the guy’s face on them and they pray to them so as to not encounter the police.

Its really sad how the Faith is corrupted.
 
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So, Mary is co-Redeemer (or the feminine form of that word). Hm! That stretches things well beyond what the Bible seems to say. Consider Matt. 12:46-50 and John 2:4. Jesus had a great opportunity to elevate his mother on both occasions. Instead, he seems almost dismissive. "Who is my mother?" certainly sounds like a strange question, when he could have hailed her with many salutations. Then, in John: "Woman, what have I to do with thee?" Another strange question. Here again was an opportunity for Jesus to exalt his mother.
Others have answered the rest of your post, but I wanted to point out something. When Jesus calls Mary “Woman” He is NOT insulting her. Many people completely miss what Jesus is doing here. Jesus is calling Mary by the same title that God gave to Eve in Genesis. Mary is the new Mother of all believers. This episode is actually an incredible honor, but we misunderstand because in todays english calling someone woman is an insult.
 
Roy5 and Stepson, the Church teaches that while praying to the Saints isn’t necessary at all but is encouraged by the Church, devotion to the Blessed Virgin is in a sense obligatory and She is necessary to salvation. Mary is not absolutely necessary but only morally necessary The Church allows mixed marriages between Catholics and Protestants (and anyone who is Baptized), and while it isn’t absolutely necessary that you HAVE to marry a Catholic to be validly married it is better to marry one who is already Catholic than one who isn’t.

We have to distinguish devotion to Mary from that of other Saints. God, the Holy Trinity is the highest in heaven. Jesus is the King and the creator of the world while Mary is the Queen. She is the Queen not only because She is the Mother of God (the Queen Mother) but also because God gave Her Queenly power (Queen Reagent) in order for Her to give us grace and make us saints. We all know God the Father is the Father of Jesus both in Spirit and in the flesh, and so is Mary both the Mother of God in spirit and also in the flesh. Protestants bigots say that Mary isn’t the Mother of God because She didn’t give Him His spiritual nature; with this reasoning, then neither is God the Father of Jesus because He certainly didn’t give Him His flesh.

Just as Jesus is the only begotten of the Father in the literal sense and we are His adopted children, so Jesus is the only begotten of Mary in the literal sense and we are Her adopted children. With this interpretation which is true because the Bible said so (with the Church being the bride of Christ and all) God and Mary have children with each other and this is how we believe that Mary gives us grace and virtue. She gets Her power from God and like the most loving of all Mothers She protects us against the wrath of God.There was a phrase from Old testament which I can’t remember where God Himself complains that there is nobody to hold His hand back from punishing sinners.

This does not mean that we can sin all we want and count on Mary to protect us: we’re far from holding the ‘sin and sin more to have more confidence in Christ’ thesis of that degenerate Martin Luther. For if it was true that Mary defended sinners especially when they didn’t want to give up sin then She wouldn’t be showing God respect or love.

However, Mary is not the Mother of only Catholics. We don’t need a Baptism in order to be truly devoted to Mary or some other ritual* and if She were the Mother of only Catholics like God is the Father of only those who are Catholic or those who want to become Catholics, She wouldn’t have so much power to convert all those sinners, all those outside the Church, all those Jews, infidels, Muslims, Freemasons, even Satanists.

*we don’t Baptize in the name of Mary because She isn’t operational in Baptism itself; She isn’t in and of Herself cleansing us from our sins. However, I beleive that since She is the Mediatrix of all grace, She does give the power of the Priesthood to the Priest.
 
What part do the candles play? When does one use them?

I was in a discount grocery store and saw the candles with the Saints on them. I read the back and I understood how the reader was asking for help. I also saw how each candle ended with giving the glory to God. This all made since to me and I understood the point of intersession and not worship.

However, one candle threw me for a loop. It had a skeleton in a grave yard holding a globe. The name was in Spanish and it read Saint Death. The back of the candle was asking for power over others and gave no mention to Jesus or God. To be honest, it read like a spell. What is this?
That sounds more like the ritual of the Day of the Dead in Mexico which doesn’t have anything to do with the Catholic Church.

But at any rate its a day they celebrate in their culture… I find it a bit on the far side also, but who am I to judge?
 
Praying to Mary and the Saints may not be a requirement but it is certainly effective.🙂
 
Others have answered the rest of your post, but I wanted to point out something. When Jesus calls Mary “Woman” He is NOT insulting her. Many people completely miss what Jesus is doing here. Jesus is calling Mary by the same title that God gave to Eve in Genesis. Mary is the new Mother of all believers. This episode is actually an incredible honor, but we misunderstand because in todays english calling someone woman is an insult.
The title “Woman”, in that time period and geographical location, was also similar to calling a woman “My Lady” or something like that. It was a term of respect, not contempt (which, once again, any display of contempt by Jesus toward his own Mother would have been against the commandments and would have been a sin).
 
There was a phrase from Old testament which I can’t remember where God Himself complains that there is nobody to hold His hand back from punishing sinners.
Does anyone have the location of this? This is new to me and fascinating. This would explain a lot!
… thesis of that degenerate Martin Luther.
If we could tone that a bit that would be good. We all have opinions on him, I for one know that he was a man and not without fault. I have great respect for him for standing up for what he believed in under the pain of death.

Labeling is an efficient way to shut open minds. Thank you for your great (name removed by moderator)ut. It has been very valuable to me.
 
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