Why Protestants "don't" believe in The Holy Eucharist...

[2ndGen]

John 6
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I am that bread of life.

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Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

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This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

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I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

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The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

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Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
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Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

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For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

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He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

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As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
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This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

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These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

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Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

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When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

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What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

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It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

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But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

 

[2ndGen]

And “this” is why Protestants “don’t” believe:

John 6:60
Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

 

[Uncle_Norbert]

A post on another thread put it most aptly (paraphrased):

Protestants base their religion on Scripture, while Catholics base it on the sacrifice of the Mass.

 

[2ndGen]

But this isn’t the first time that Jesus’ words would cause division among those that listened to Him:

John 7:43
“So a division occurred in the crowd because of Him.”

 

[2ndGen]

A post on another thread put it most aptly (paraphrased):

Protestants base their religion on Scripture, while Catholics base it on the sacrifice of the Mass.

Well isn’t Jesus telling us that unless we eat His flesh we are dead literally “Scripture”?

Proestants:

Do you eat the flesh of Christ and drink His blood?

 

[Harpazo]

Some Protestants claim to believe in the Holy Eucharist.

Just warning you, because some will get excited and try to defend their beliefs on it, while claiming that theirs is real and they don’t need the Catholic Church. For example, within Anglicanism it’s generally up to the personal believer whether the Eucharist is what it is.

Just trying to give you a heads-up.

Pace e Bene
Andrew

 

[2ndGen]

Some Protestants claim to believe in the Holy Eucharist.

Just warning you, because some will get excited and try to defend their beliefs on it, while claiming that theirs is real and they don’t need the Catholic Church. For example, within Anglicanism it’s generally up to the personal believer whether the Eucharist is what it is.

Just trying to give you a heads-up.

Pace e Bene
Andrew

Thanks Andrew.

I look forward to seeing how they explain how the Host is consecrated and how their bread becomes His Body.

I’ve never heard of Protestants churches that believe in the real presence.

 

[GKC]

Some Protestants claim to believe in the Holy Eucharist.

Just warning you, because some will get excited and try to defend their beliefs on it, while claiming that theirs is real and they don’t need the Catholic Church. For example, within Anglicanism it’s generally up to the personal believer whether the Eucharist is what it is.

Just trying to give you a heads-up.

Pace e Bene
Andrew

No, even among Anglicans, the Eucharist is what it is, regardless of the believer.

Anglicans sometimes differ on just what that is is, of course.

Some say, for example, that it’s truly, really and substantially the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently, the whole Christ. No doubt you will agree.

GKC, unexcited.

 

[GKC]

Thanks Andrew.

I look forward to seeing how they explain how the Host is consecrated and how their bread becomes His Body.

I’ve never heard of Protestants churches that believe in the real presence.

I don’t respond to threads with “protestant” in them, no reason to. Unless Anglicans get involved in them, somehow. To answer your question, for Anglicans, precisely as it does for the RCC, at the hands of the ordained alter Christus, as history and eternity meet, in the re-resentation of the Sacrifice of Calvary.

GKC

 

[gcnuss]

2ndGen,

I may regret allowing myself to get drawn into this thread, but there are those of us who do believe in The Holy Eucharist.

As a Lutheran, I accept what the Lutheran Confessions contained in the Book of Concord say about The Holy Eucharist (Holy Communion, the Lord’s Supper, the Sacrament of the Altar, etc.). Here are a few quotes from those documents.

From Luther’s Large Catechism:

Now, what is the Sacrament of the Altar!

Answer: It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, in and under the bread and wine which we Christians are commanded by the Word of Christ to eat and to drink. And as we have said of Baptism that it is not simple water, so here also we say the Sacrament is bread and wine, but not mere bread and wine, such as are ordinarily served at the table, but bread and wine comprehended in, and connected with, the Word of God.

It is the Word which makes and distinguishes this Sacrament, so that it is not mere bread and wine, but is, and is called, the body and blood of Christ. For it is said: Accedat verbum ad elementum, et At sacramentum. If the Word be joined to the element it becomes a Sacrament. This saying of St. Augustine is so properly and so well put that he has scarcely said anything better. The Word must make a Sacrament of the element, else it remains a mere element. Now, it is not the word or ordinance of a prince or emperor, but of the sublime Majesty, at whose feet all creatures should fall, and affirm it is as He says, and accept it with all reverence fear, and humility.

From the Augsburg Confession, Article X:

Of the Supper of the Lord they teach that the Body and Blood of Christ are truly present, and are distributed to those who eat the Supper of the Lord; and they reject those that teach otherwise.

And, from the Formula of Concord:

Confession of the Pure Doctrine concerning the Holy Supper against the Sacramentarians.

1. We believe, teach, and confess that in the Holy Supper the body and blood of Christ are truly and essentially present, and are truly distributed and received with the bread and wine.

1. We believe, teach, and confess that the words of the testament of Christ are not to be understood otherwise than as they read, according to the letter, so that the bread does not signify the absent body and the wine the absent blood of Christ, but that, on account of the sacramental union, they [the bread and wine] are truly the body and blood of Christ.

I realize that, from a Catholic perspective, the Lutheran theology of the Eucharist is erroneous. However, it is what I and most Lutherans believe. We most assuredly believe that we receive the Body and Blood of our Lord whenever we receive Holy Communion. I have yet to be convinced that we are in error.

 

[2ndGen]

I don’t respond to threads with “protestant” in them, no reason to. Unless Anglicans get involved in them, somehow. To answer your question, for Anglicans, precisely as it does for the RCC, at the hands of the ordained alter Christus, as history and eternity meet, in the re-resentation of the Sacrifice of Calvary.

GKC

 

[GKC]

And I do hope that was read as “re-presentation”.

I post too fast, sometimes.

GKC

 

[2ndGen]

2ndGen,
We most assuredly believe that we receive the Body and Blood of our Lord whenever we receive Holy Communion.

Shut up!
Shut up.

You had me at “We most assuredly believe that we receive the Body and Blood of our Lord whenever we receive Holy Communion.”

You had me at “We most assuredly believe that we receive the Body and Blood of our Lord whenever we receive Holy Communion.”

youtube.com/watch?v=DAwG0mg7wSw

 

[angelusm]

Protestants have no Body and Blood no matter if they believe it or not. Why? It’s because they have no priesthood. Why do they reject those passages from the Scripture that you mentioned? Because they are protestants and they do whatever they want. In protestantism truth doesn’t exist. Everybody believes their own way. Who’s gonna tell them they are wrong? There’s no protestant pope. And even somebody does, there’s a simple solution - founding a new denomination.

 

[2ndGen]

Protestants have no Body and Blood no matter if they believe it or not. Why? It’s because they have no priesthood. Why do they reject those passages from the Scripture that you mentioned? Because they are protestants and they do whatever they want. In protestantism truth doesn’t exist. Everybody believes their own way. Who’s gonna tell them they are wrong? There’s no protestant pope. And even somebody does, there’s a simple solution - founding a new denomination.

I started a thread titled “we need jews here”…now I think I need to start one titled “we need more protestants here”.

I love the Protestants here, don’t get me wrong, but there aren’t any proudly protestant Protestants here. The ones here are pretty catholic.

I don’t need anti-Catholics, just strong protestants that are as fervant as we are as to why they believe what they believe or don’t believe what they believe.

Contrary to popular assumption, I thoroughly enjoy when a Protestants reasonably explains their faith to me.

And I “want” to know so that I can better understand them.

 

[O.S.Luke]

I started a thread titled “we need jews here”…now I think I need to start one titled “we need more protestants here”.

I love the Protestants here, don’t get me wrong, but there aren’t any proudly protestant Protestants here. The ones here are pretty catholic.

I don’t need anti-Catholics, just strong protestants that are as fervant as we are as to why they believe what they believe or don’t believe what they believe.

Contrary to popular assumption, I thoroughly enjoy when a Protestants reasonably explains their faith to me.

And I “want” to know so that I can better understand them.

I think i posted a pretty thorough explanation of the United Methodist stance on the eucharist, which is pretty much the same explanation as the Eastern Orthodox - it’s the body and blood of Christ. Period.

Post is here.

I am unashamedly fervent in my belief of that, and proudly a Protestant. I am not anti-Catholic.

O+

 

[2ndGen]

I think i posted a pretty thorough explanation of the United Methodist stance on the eucharist, which is pretty much the same explanation as the Eastern Orthodox - it’s the body and blood of Christ. Period.

Post is here.

I am unashamedly fervent in my belief of that, and proudly a Protestant. I am not anti-Catholic.

O+

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

:bowdown:

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Jesus just meant to accept him as the Messiah/bread who brings the New Covenant/wine.

Eating real blood is against Torah for Jews and also Acts 15 for Gentiles. So that also dictates how it is to be interpreted.

 

[gcnuss]

2ndGen,

Shut up!
Shut up.

My lips are sealed!!!

But the keyboard isn’t!

 

[2ndGen]