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holdencaulfield
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This doesn’t apply here Christ said it was ok, not for everything just for this. Could you also cite that as well?
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holdencaulfield
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Protestants don’t believe it because they don’t want to. It’s in the Bible, it’s obvious how it’s meant to be interpreted. They don’t interpret it that way fine. That’s their decision. If they don’t want to listen to the Bible then they don’t have to.
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Flos_Campi
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Luke,
Since when did the UM start believing in transubstantiation ??
When I was a Methodist , many, many, years a ago, they certainly did not believe in the real presence and the wine they gave out was not real wine , as they did not believe in drinking alchohol.
I converted to Catholicism a long time ago, God led me to the fulness and richness of the truth in the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I thank him everyday. :byzsoc:
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I didn’t say that UM’s believe in transubstantiation. I said that they believe in the Real Presence of Christ. As the EO’s, we prefer to allow the sacraments to remain mysterious.
There are no theological differences regarding sacramental theology between Methodists and Anglicans. And Methodists are recovering their own rootage in tradition and liturgy.
I too feel the richness and truth in my church, or I wouldn’t belong much less be ordained in it. Bless you.
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Claire_from_DE
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So you have answered the question; you don’t believe in it because you believe Jesus was speaking in a metaphor.
Now please explain your understanding of what he said at the last supper when he said of the bread and wine ‘take and eat’,’ this is my body’, ‘this is my blood’, and ‘do this in memory of me’!
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Claire_from_DE
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I know many protestants who believe they really receive Jesus when they receive communion in their churches even though their church doesn’t teach transubstantiation. They would not understand what we mean by real presence.Thanks Andrew.
I look forward to seeing how they explain how the Host is consecrated and how their bread becomes His Body.
I’ve never heard of Protestants churches that believe in the real presence.
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2ndGen
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I’m finding that out now.
I think it’s great.
They should form Eucharistic Protestant Churches. I believe that by the nature of their desire to manifest Christ’s words regarding the Sacrament will give them even more graces than they already have.
And as they fall more and more in love with “The Blood and Body”, they just might wonder about The Church that’s been doing it for 2K years.
I believe that The Eucharist brings more people to Catholicism from other faiths than anything else.
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holdencaulfield
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They again think that it was symbolic. Although Christ makes it very clear that it was meant to be taken both metaphorically and literally.
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Harpazo
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Same here, I had never ever heard of a single Methodist believing in the Real Presence until O.S Luke told me. I never did as a Methodist, that’s why the whole notion of the Real Presence was entirely new to me. No one at my former Methodist community believes it, the Pastor of that community does not believe in it all, and the bread and grape juice are just given away to whoever wants to have it with their lunch.Luke,
Since when did the UM start believing in transubstantiation ??
When I was a Methodist , many, many, years a ago, they certainly did not believe in the real presence and the wine they gave out was not real wine , as they did not believe in drinking alchohol.
I converted to Catholicism a long time ago, God led me to the fulness and richness of the truth in the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I thank him everyday. :byzsoc:
I would be interested to see when Methodists started believing it. O.S. Luke gave the notion that their trying to get back to their roots.
Either way, it doesn’t affect me because as Catholics we participate in all 7 Mysteries (Sacraments), not 2.
Pace e Bene
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*EDIT: I found some interesting information on the subject on the United Methodist community’s website.
The Lord’s Supper (Communion, Eucharist)
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* The Lord's Supper is a holy meal of bread and wine that **symbolizes** the body and blood of Christ.
* The Lord's Supper recalls the life, death and resurrection of Jesus and celebrates the unity of all the members of God's family.
* By sharing this meal, we give thanks for Christ's sacrifice and are nourished and empowered to go into the world in mission and ministry.
* We practice "open Communion," welcoming all who love Christ, repent of their sin, and seek to live in peace with one another.Emphasis mine. That’s enough proof on the subject for me.
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2ndGen
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Nobody knows Jesus “until” they know The Eucharist…
Luke 24:
25 And he said unto them, O foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
26 Behooved it not the Christ to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they were going: and he made as though he would go further.
29 And they constrained him, saying, Abide with us; for it is toward evening, and the day is now far spent. And he went in to abide with them.
30 And it came to pass, when he had sat down with them to meat, he took the bread and blessed; and breaking it he gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Was not our heart burning within us, while he spake to us in the way, while he opened to us the scriptures?
Luke 24:
25 And he said unto them, O foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
26 Behooved it not the Christ to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they were going: and he made as though he would go further.
29 And they constrained him, saying, Abide with us; for it is toward evening, and the day is now far spent. And he went in to abide with them.
30 And it came to pass, when he had sat down with them to meat, he took the bread and blessed; and breaking it he gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Was not our heart burning within us, while he spake to us in the way, while he opened to us the scriptures?
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holdencaulfield
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You guys kind of are fighting a lost battle. If you look at the Bible you can see that the Holy Eucharist is true. If you look at Early Church Tradition you can see this as truth. If you look at modern day miracles you can see this is true. The Protestants will still continue to squirm and weave around all this using their unintelligent argument of “symbolism”. You can’t convince them. If common sense and the ability to read, won’t convince them, nothing else will. The funny thing is I was originally a Protestant “Bible Christian”, and this close reading of the Bible led me to Catholicism.
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awantz
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Yes.
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cradlecathlic26
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no they do not, they think it is a symbolization of the body and blood. But if they would study, the early church fathers along with there Bible, they could figure it out
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2ndGen
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2ndGen
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:clapping: :bowdown:
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2ndGen
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Hold on there CC26, let’s give the poster the benefit of the doubt. He answered my question with a simple yes meaning that he agreed to the universal Christian definition of the term “body and blood”.no they do not, they think it is a symbolization of the body and blood. But if they would study, the early church fathers along with there Bible, they could figure it out
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SyCarl
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Quite frankly, I believe as I think much of the early church beliueved; that it is a mystery. We do what Jesus commanded and trust Him that what He intended takes place.
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