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acseawell
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This is very interesting. To what denomination do you refer, and which of the 7 books do you make pretty heavy use?
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“Now Thank We All Our God” comes from Ecclesiasticus, and “It Came Upon a Midnight Clear” in part from Wisdom, as I recall, as examples.
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acseawell
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He removed them because they did not fit his teachingHe didn’t, He just placed them in a secondary position. I think it was more that his attitude toward them was strong enough that it justified, in most Protestant’s minds, removing them altogether. At least no one was upset enough to not buy Bibles from the printer who removed them.
What is it about Judith that does not fit his teaching?
What is it about Tobit that doesn’t fit his teaching?
What is it about Baruch that doesn’t fit his teaching?
In Luther’s Bible translation, which includes all seven of the books in question, Luther wrote this preface on 1 Maccabees (in part):
This doesn’t sound like the words one would say if a book didn’t “fit his teaching”.
But I am willing to listen to how it does because, frankly, I’m not satisfied with “its not in the Hebrew Bible” as a reason to hold them second to the universally attested books.
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ajcstr
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IMHO, this is the equivalent of figuring out how much you want to deduct on your taxes THEN looking through the tax code to find support. I believe that Maccabees did not fit Luther’s teaching and maybe he resurrected (no pun intended) Jerome’s argument even though it was broader than his goal. He also did not like James and Revelation and I believe he put them in a separate section also (again, I read this somewhere, I did not know the man personally and with this kind of stuff people tend to embellish a little on the truth I have found). Now we know that since then fragments of some of these books have been discovered in Hebrew so the argument that they were written only in Greek is not valid.
In any event whatever Luther did or didn’t do is irrelevant because the Bible existed for 1,000 years before he called for reform.
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rfournier103
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Until three years ago, I had no idea there was ANY difference between the Canon of Catholic and Protestant Bibles. I just thought various translations were worded differently. The vast majority of people I know (mostly Catholic) are unaware of the difference. It wasn’t until my wife (then girlfriend and Protestant at the time) went to mass with me one day and there was a reading from the Book of Wisdom. I would give alot to have a picture of look on her face… It was quite hysterical. She had no idea that Catholic and Protestant Bibles were different, either!!!
What I always hear from Protestant sources is that the Deuterocanon isn’t inspired. Nobody can tell me WHO decided that; or HOW they arrived at that conclusion. To me it’s one of the great mysteries of all time.
What I always hear from Protestant sources is that the Deuterocanon isn’t inspired. Nobody can tell me WHO decided that; or HOW they arrived at that conclusion. To me it’s one of the great mysteries of all time.
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