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Valke2
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Imagine the guilt Adam and Eve must have felt for every bad thing that happened to them after they ate from the tree.
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Sixtus
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Indeed why put the blame on Adam and Eve?
Scripture tells us ‘no man is without sin’! In that we are ALL culpable. Before Christ, I do not think saying it was all Adam and Eve’s fault will hold as sustainable mitigation
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rmcmullan
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More quotes. An angel appears to A&E and tells them that the sacrifices they are making are in the similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten and that they are to call upon His name:
There’s a well know parable about the atonement, how it bridges the mercy of Christ with the Justice demanded by God. emp.byui.edu/holtj/The%20Mediator%20-%20Packer.htm It’s fairly long though, don’t read it unless you’re dying to! In a very loose way, Adam understood the Justice of God better, that His law must be kept. But Eve understood the compassion and mercy.
They probably felt bad but they were hoping it would be for a long term good. It was either being caught in a child like state forever or being cut off from the presence of God. Just a tough choice for everyone. The role of the Savior is the only way to bridge these two choices. He redeems man from original sin (Mormons call it the fall of Adam.) The Catholic doctrine of original sin being washed away at baptism is okay with me so long as it is through the power of Christ.
There’s a well know parable about the atonement, how it bridges the mercy of Christ with the Justice demanded by God. emp.byui.edu/holtj/The%20Mediator%20-%20Packer.htm It’s fairly long though, don’t read it unless you’re dying to! In a very loose way, Adam understood the Justice of God better, that His law must be kept. But Eve understood the compassion and mercy.
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C_Bautista
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“How do you reconcile an omnipotent (all powerful, no constraints upon Him other than those that are self-imposed) God who is omniscient (knows every possible outcome of every action before the action is even contemplated, by Him or by humanity) who would set up the circumstances as they are/were, with a God who is also purportedly omnibenevolent (desiring nothing but good for His creations)?”
This is actually not tough to reconcile when you think about it. Indeed, God knows all, has all power, and wills only good.
However, has he not given us free will? And is not free will the ability for us, as human persons, to actually do things on our own accord - that is, the ability to will distinctly (if not necessarily separately) from God’s will? If God has truly given us truly free will, then he implicitly humbles Himself to the extent that we can do things according to our own will. So even though he CAN do anything, He shares with us His creative power and humbles Himself to the point that we can actually affect our reality of our own accord.
Though we can affect our reality and our state, God still know what we will choose to do. That does not, however, mean that he actually chose what we would do Himself. The gift of free will is often underrated, so to speak - we, in a certain sense, have determined what God knows by our choices. Not because of any power originating withing ourselves, but because we reflect God’s creative nature when we exercise our free will.
So then, God offers man the choice to be with Him or to stray. Although God knows that man may, in fact, stray away, what else is He to do if He has actually offered us free will? By a contingent being’s very nature, it cannot experience the infinite divinity of God until it has chosen Him - but until it has chosen to love Him, it is still susceptible to temptation.
Since God willed Adam to love Him, He offered Adam the choice to follow or stray. Even though He knew Adam would stray before He created Him, He knew this BECAUSE of Adam’s choice. God did not will evil, but, in humility, allowed Adam to retain his free will.
This seems to limit God’s omnipotence, but it does not; rather, it reflects His humility. It is on the cross that God most explicitly expresses His humility; yet, it is in this humility that we see the most profound expression of His omnipotence. His ability to make us anew in holiness, we who have immersed ourselves in sin.
This is actually not tough to reconcile when you think about it. Indeed, God knows all, has all power, and wills only good.
However, has he not given us free will? And is not free will the ability for us, as human persons, to actually do things on our own accord - that is, the ability to will distinctly (if not necessarily separately) from God’s will? If God has truly given us truly free will, then he implicitly humbles Himself to the extent that we can do things according to our own will. So even though he CAN do anything, He shares with us His creative power and humbles Himself to the point that we can actually affect our reality of our own accord.
Though we can affect our reality and our state, God still know what we will choose to do. That does not, however, mean that he actually chose what we would do Himself. The gift of free will is often underrated, so to speak - we, in a certain sense, have determined what God knows by our choices. Not because of any power originating withing ourselves, but because we reflect God’s creative nature when we exercise our free will.
So then, God offers man the choice to be with Him or to stray. Although God knows that man may, in fact, stray away, what else is He to do if He has actually offered us free will? By a contingent being’s very nature, it cannot experience the infinite divinity of God until it has chosen Him - but until it has chosen to love Him, it is still susceptible to temptation.
Since God willed Adam to love Him, He offered Adam the choice to follow or stray. Even though He knew Adam would stray before He created Him, He knew this BECAUSE of Adam’s choice. God did not will evil, but, in humility, allowed Adam to retain his free will.
This seems to limit God’s omnipotence, but it does not; rather, it reflects His humility. It is on the cross that God most explicitly expresses His humility; yet, it is in this humility that we see the most profound expression of His omnipotence. His ability to make us anew in holiness, we who have immersed ourselves in sin.
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rmcmullan
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Wow, that was really good C Bautista, you really hit it out of the park! Thanks so much!
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