Why RCIA?

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I am just trying to find out why go through an entire year of initiation to be considered a Christian/member of the Church. It’s just hard to picture someone approaching Jesus to be accepted and being told you have to go through so many steps to get there. Jesus accepted them as they were right away, didn’t he?
I hope I don’t open up any arguments, I’m just innocently asking to broaden my understanding. Any help would be appreciated on why it’s a process to salvation.
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I am just trying to find out why go through an entire year of initiation to be considered a Christian/member of the Church. It’s just hard to picture someone approaching Jesus to be accepted and being told you have to go through so many steps to get there. Jesus accepted them as they were right away, didn’t he?
I hope I don’t open up any arguments, I’m just innocently asking to broaden my understanding. Any help would be appreciated on why it’s a process to salvation.
Lizferg
If you’ve been baptized using the Triune formula, the Catholic Church considers you a Christian already. It is important for someone who is seeking to become Catholic to understand what they’re joining! Everyone - EVERYONE is welcome to attend Mass, but someone who has not learned enough about the Faith to honestly say, “I believe and profess all that the Holy Catholic Church teaches and proclaims to be revealed by God” when they’re confirmed, should not be. It has nothing to do with being accepted, but being educated in the faith that you are embracing.

Truthfully, RCIA is designed for unbaptized people. Baptized Christians are supposed to be taken on a case-by-case basis, and can be confirmed at any time once the pastor of that parish feels they are ready, but most parishes keep the baptized and unbaptized together because they don’t have enough people teaching to split into two groups. In my dream world every parish has a separate program for people (like myself) who studied the faith for many months before deciding to even step foot into a Catholic Church. I kind of helped teach my own RCIA class. :o
 
Look at the conversion of Paul.

He met Jesus in a huge way, Paul was also a very educated religious man.

Yet, after he was baptized, Acts chapter 9 tells us Paul stayed “some days” in Damascus with the disciples before beginning to preach.

Look at children who are born into the Faith. They are baptized at birth, yet, they do not rec First Holy Communion or Confirmation until after years of preparation.

I was like you, but, the things I learned during RCIA were priceless, I’d not go back and do it any other way.

Prayers - this is so exciting for you!
 
When Christ was on the earth it was very clear who he was and one could actually follow him from place to place and here his words from him. We now have a situation where Christs words are only had through the views of another (church leaders, bible etc.). The disagreements had on what was meant by various sayings makes it quite important to help people have at lest a reasonable understanding of what they are saying they believe before they make a formal commitment to it.
 
If you’re going to commit not just your body but your mind and soul to a way of teaching, for the rest of your life and beyond, don’t you want to be sure you know EXACTLY what you’re getting into? I do. 🙂
 
When you come into the RCIA process you are already a Christian (candidate) or you are in a preparation process for baptism (catechumen). You are discovering how to be a Catholic Christian. Once you are officially accepted as a candidate or catechumen, you’re considered connected to the church in some way but not yet fully initiated. I took a seminar about the RCIA which I don’t completely remember but I think you can be married, buried, and have your infant baptized in the church while you are still in RCIA!

When people became Jesus’ disciples, they followed him and he taught them. Some left him if they couldn’t accept his teachings or follow his way of life. But those who continued with him became part of his church.
 
In my dream world every parish has a separate program for people (like myself) who studied the faith for many months before deciding to even step foot into a Catholic Church. I kind of helped teach my own RCIA class. :o
😛 This describes me as well. When I first felt I was being called to investigate Catholicism, my dad helped out and answered my endless stream of questions. By the time I actually joined RCIA I had been attending mass regularly for about a year. During that time I had been studying with my dad, and the two of us (he was my sponsor) really did kind of help teach the class. Our teacher, God bless her heart, sometimes had trouble remembering things or simplifying a concept for someone who had never heard of it before.

On the subject of why RCIA is necessary, just look at some of the people who attend the classes. They want to learn, but they’re clueless to start off. It would be unfair to ask them to make such a commitment without first understanding what they’re committing to.
 
I had the same question when I was in RCIA this past year. The answer given was that if for some unfortunate reason I died before being baptized, that I did in fact have a baptism of desire. God knows our desires and is merciful.

Once we were officially received as catechumens (a long way into the process), then I was told that if I died, I could receive a Catholic burial.

So no, you aren’t left out in the cold, and the Catholic Church does not view you that way.

RCIA was very necessary for me, as I come from a non-Christian background. Even after a year of studying on my own and going to Mass, I still had a lot of questions and had a lot of things I did not understand and had never even heard of. It’s a good process, not meant to block, but to teach.
 
I am just trying to find out why go through an entire year of initiation to be considered a Christian/member of the Church. It’s just hard to picture someone approaching Jesus to be accepted and being told you have to go through so many steps to get there. Jesus accepted them as they were right away, didn’t he?
I hope I don’t open up any arguments, I’m just innocently asking to broaden my understanding. Any help would be appreciated on why it’s a process to salvation.
Lizferg
lizferg,

**Read (Matt 13: 44) "The reign of God is like a burried treasure which a man found in a field. He hid it again, and rejoicing at his find went and SOLD all he HAD and BOUGHT that FIELD. **

Lizferg, why did he have to sell all he had to buy that BURRIED TREASURE?

Why did not Jesus just say to the MAN/US you don’t have to sell ANYTHING just come on in. However as the story goes Jesus did not, The man had to sell all he had, whats one year initiation.

The Catholic Church, is Jesus TREASURE here on EARTH, Jesus only left One Church not thousand’s

I am sure if that man had to spend not money but spend an entire year of initiation to purchase that FIELD, HE WOULD HAVE.

Wouldn’t you?

The initiation process to become Catholic is a good thing, and during that year that individual will come terms wether or not he wants to be TRULY a part of the Catholic Church or not.

God Bless you on your journey home.

ufamtobie
 
"It’s a good process, not meant to block, but to teach"
-RebeccaJ
That was very well said and makes more sense to me now.

Thanks for the clarity everyone!

Liz
 
Look at children who are born into the Faith. They are baptized at birth, yet, they do not rec First Holy Communion or Confirmation until after years of preparation.

Only in the Latin Church, not the Eastern Churches.
 
I am just trying to find out why go through an entire year of initiation to be considered a Christian/member of the Church. It’s just hard to picture someone approaching Jesus to be accepted and being told you have to go through so many steps to get there. Jesus accepted them as they were right away, didn’t he?
I hope I don’t open up any arguments, I’m just innocently asking to broaden my understanding. Any help would be appreciated on why it’s a process to salvation.
I’m in exactly your boat and it IS annoying. I’ve been studying for ages. I don’t have any more questions. I want to be Catholic like…YESTERDAY.

But people I have talked to, both here and in real life, loudly proclaim it is well worth the wait. Rather be Catholic in a year than never. I’ve completely given up trying to weasle my way in the Church early. If the priest of the church I’m going to go through RCIA in decides I can come in earlier, then so be it. If not, so be it. I’m just going to relax and enjoy the ride.

But I do feel your pain…see my signature. ha ha!
 
I am just trying to find out why go through an entire year of initiation to be considered a Christian/member of the Church. It’s just hard to picture someone approaching Jesus to be accepted and being told you have to go through so many steps to get there. Jesus accepted them as they were right away, didn’t he?
ILizferg
It is the process because it is serious business to accept and believe all that the Catholic Church teaches, a lifetime commitment with a very real possibility of persecution, if not from misunderstanding and ridicule from friends and family, real danger in many countries. In the early Church a period of preparation was required, culminating in the initiation sacraments so that the newly baptized would be strengthened to withstand persecution. They had to be sponsored by reliable members of the Christian community, so that spies were kept out, since becoming Christian was an automatic death sentence during the reigns of several of the emperors. the usual time was about a year, and the catechumens actually lived with the bishop during Lent and received intensive instruction with prayer and fasting and penance to test their conversion and be ready for sacraments at Easter

It is this early Church practice that has been restored in the RCIA.

If you would like to learn more, come and discuss on the Evangelization forum and search RCIA.

Jesus, you will note, formed his disciples for at least 3 years before they were ready to witness the climax of his life and saving ministry and begin the work of the Church. He prepared them through teaching, witnessing miracles, explanation of scripture, travelling where he was needed, prayer, fasting and penance.

I can also tell you, but this is my personal experience, not necessarily church teaching, from over 20 yrs involvement with RCIA that rushing the process and bending the rules almost never works, and if someone is allowed to manipulate the system solely for the purpose of convenience in receiving sacraments sooner, they almost never still are CAtholic 5 yrs later
 
I’m in exactly your boat and it IS annoying. I’ve been studying for ages. I don’t have any more questions. I want to be Catholic like…YESTERDAY.

But people I have talked to, both here and in real life, loudly proclaim it is well worth the wait. Rather be Catholic in a year than never. I’ve completely given up trying to weasle my way in the Church early. If the priest of the church I’m going to go through RCIA in decides I can come in earlier, then so be it. If not, so be it. I’m just going to relax and enjoy the ride.

But I do feel your pain…see my signature. ha ha!
Maybe there ought to be a pre-test to see what one knows already?😉

I too have been studying about the CC for years and feel I could almost teach RCIA~but one thing I’ve learned is that “hurry up” isn’t necessarily an apostolic trait, and that regardless of how much we know or think we konw there is always more, and that going through RCIA maybe it’ll be more about gained wisdom than knowledge; wisdom in subjecting self to the Church instead of subjecting Church to self, as many of us in protestantland have done all these years.
 
Maybe there ought to be a pre-test to see what one knows already?😉

I too have been studying about the CC for years and feel I could almost teach RCIA~but one thing I’ve learned is that “hurry up” isn’t necessarily an apostolic trait, and that regardless of how much we know or think we konw there is always more, and that going through RCIA maybe it’ll be more about gained wisdom than knowledge; wisdom in subjecting self to the Church instead of subjecting Church to self, as many of us in protestantland have done all these years.
Amen! As much book knowledge as I had coming into RCIA, there is still a lot I don’t know! 2000 years of history is a lot to learn! So many saints, so little time, LOL!
 
I am just trying to find out why go through an entire year of initiation to be considered a Christian/member of the Church.

RCIA = Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults; We are fortunate in these times it takes from 8 moths to 9 months, just like a baby growing in the womb of his/her mother until the infant reaches maturity to be born again. In times past it took up to five years to recieve your sacraments of initiation. In the early centuries, many christians delayed their baptism until they were close to death or at ones death bed for example the Roman emperor Constantine.

** For once you recieve the sacrament of Baptism Jesus has washed all past, present sins including original sin from your soul with his blood. This grace is given generally at infant baptism, where this Grace of mercy and forgiveness is freely given not earned. RCIA, are for those who have come to the age of reason and understanding. They cannot make a Christian profession of faith before God, until they have been instructed in the teachings of Jesus Christ, otherwise heaven can hold them in contempt. This falls along the lines “Do not take the Lords name in vain” meaning do not take an oath in the Lords name falsely.**

**Baptism is all one needs to enter into the kingdom of God, when one becomes a child of the living God. Upon entering into the new covenant by dieing to self in the baptismal waters, and raised a new creation in Jesus Christ. The new Christian when he/she reaches the age of reason, now begins to get off the milk, and begin to taste the meat of Christianity, this is by way of understanding and coming to maturity in the sacrament of Holy Communion, this is the second Sacrament of initiation. Holy Communion is where only the family of the high priest which is Jesus in heaven are able to share a meal and have communion with our heavenly Father, in the sacrament of Holy Communioin where the chlidren of God are given the hidden manna from heaven to eat and drink in this communion and rest (Sabbath) with God in the holy of holies where heaven and earth meet in the Sacred Mass. The third Sacrament of initiation, is called the sacrament of Confirmation. This is where the Child of God has now matured in the teachings of God himself, and begins his journey or vocation as a Christian who gives and lives a life of testimony and witness of Jesus Christ. A Confirmed Christian now is ready to lay down his life for his faith for God. That is why the Roman Catholic church has countless many saints and martyrs in heaven who participate in holy communion with the body of Jesus Christ on earth, which is the Catholic church. **

it’s just hard to picture someone approaching Jesus to be accepted and being told you have to go through so many steps to get there. Jesus accepted them as they were right away, didn’t he?

Yes Jesus accepted ones faith and were healed. Some gave no witness of faith, and were not given a sign. But this is different from when Jesus was teaching his disciples to become his apostles. Nothing has changed, Jesus continues to disciple us through the sacraments he himself instituted and commanded his apostles to do the same to all the world, until he comes. Jesus taught his disciples for 3 years, and continued to teach them after his resurrection, because Jesus promised his church he would never leave her, and will not leave her orphans. This is an unbroken promise from Jesus himself in the Roman Catholic church and her bishops and popes, who are the successors of the apostles themselves.

I hope I don’t open up any arguments, I’m just innocently asking to broaden my understanding. Any help would be appreciated on why it’s a process to salvation.

Your question is most appreciated and welcomed here:) I believe in understanding the process of Christian initiation. Ones should have an understanding of what the Church is in Scripture. The church is the body of Jesus Christ. The church is not a man made institution. The Church both human and divine just like our lord Jesus is fully human and fully God (incarnated). One can become a child of God both as an infant or right now in baptism either at present or near death, all are immediately accepted in the kingdom of God, and all sins forgiven. So salvation is not a process, salvation is freely given. Jesus taught his church how to administrate his salvation, because he is the head of the body his church on earth and Jesus is always present to his body on earth, the Roman Catholic church. This is not to say that Jesus does not reveal himself in other ways, I am just saying that Jesus commanded his church to administer his sacraments to his church so that Jesus can be present to us always in these sacraments of Initiation. Their are other sacraments that Jesus avails himself to and reveals himself, like the sacred Holy Matrimony, Holy Orders, in the ministery of reconciliation,(confession) and Anointing of the sick

**If its God will that the baptised Christian is to give witness of his christian faith by continuing to live in the world. One has to live and take on the identity of Christian, by coming to the faith handed down to us by Jesus and his apostles, which having communion with God and entering into the eternal Sabbath rest in the Eucharist. Then become confirmed in his faith to be abel to share it with others, as did the original disciples of Jesus.

Peace be with you**
 
This drove my wife crazy too. Me as well, because I knew she had studied on her own and believed. She even helped me understand some things I didn’t understand. But so many questions will pop in you head along the journey. We see it as a journey, not a dunk and then your saved. No we aer always experiencing converstion. The Eucharist ought to make anyone pause initially because of what it really is…the true presence of Christ,something well worth the waith.

Let’s go back in time through the Gospels and Acts. Don’t you recall the thousands that gathered when Jesus taught? They followed him for long periods of times. The Jews were alread equeped to see the truth is Jesus as the messiah already. The gentile would probably have taken longer just to teach. I think it is erronious to beleive that they all were “saved” like over night. Baptism is just the first step. If an adult was not baptized then there might be cause to want to make sure they can learn. Staff is short and space at a Catholic Church is tight. (name removed by moderator)ite of the false claims of the Church having endless wealth that is just not true. Just go throught RCIA, it is like the longest retreat of your life. It’s awesome. You make friends and meet lots of people.You get oriented. It’s very special. Now I know why my priest insisted that we go to RCIA together… I learned things but better this go around. Catechesis was poor where I grew up at in Louisiana, ironic as that may sound with the huge Catholic population. Most Catholics don’t even know close to what you’re about to learn. Be proud of the RCIA program and make it good for others too. Ask the hardest questions you can think of and then ask them to get the answer.
 
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