Why should a Pagan become Catholic.

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PJM said:
***Because God is REAL

Because Hell is Real

Because Eternity is forever

Because it is we ourselves NOT GOD who decide where we freely choose to spend ETERNITY***👍
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Be that as it may, my contract negotiations are rooted in the here and now. My minimum nut for conversion is a signing bonus, a parish of my own in a DECENT suburb (I am, after all, a priest), a car and driver, a sabbatical every four years and use of the Vatican helicopter when I’m in Rome on business.
 
seeker57 said:
Pagans believe their Gods are real.

I agree with the Pagasn regarding hell. There is no such place.

Evil does exist, but it is found in the hearts of humans.

I believe we opt for the path we follow in this life.

But then, but we all go home to God.
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If what you say is tru christ was the biggest liar ever, and Christianity is the biggest frued ever pulled on man.

Also the Apostles were all killed for not renoucing what they knew to be lies.
 
=seeker57;6967849]Pagans believe their Gods are real.
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I agree with the Pagasn regarding hell. There is no such place.
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Evil does exist, but it is found in the hearts of humans.
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I believe we opt for the path we follow in this life.
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But then, but we all go home to God.
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OK friend,

God allows you your own opinion; even if it means there is no God, or that if there is a God; He is not obligated to be just and punish sins and disobedience.

My task is to share the truth; NOT convience you of it. Life is short and soon enough you’ll discover THEE Truth.

Do you accept the Bible? If not what is the foundation of your beliefs?

Love and payers,
Pat
 
cyberwolf001 said:
Sense we have many of us talking on here I thought I’d bring this subject up. I am big on cutting to the meat of an issue.

I’ve seen many Why be Catholic articles but most are aimed at Atheists, Jews and Protestants.

So what reasons would a Neo-Pagan need to be Catholic.

Let us skip over the usual, turn or burn deals also. An of course keep it civil my good men and women. ^.^
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Paganism is a pretty broad stroke that can encompass a lot of cultic and demonic practices.

Be that as it may, paganism, antique or neo, is of the devil. The devil is against God and all that is of God. Not the opposite mind you, - God doesn’t have an opposite.

Paganism will get you a quick ticket into hell.

Uhhmmmm…that would be enough for me to reject paganism and convert to christianity.
 
mangy_dog said:
Paganism is a pretty broad stroke that can encompass a lot of cultic and demonic practices.

Be that as it may, paganism, antique or neo, is of the devil. The devil is against God and all that is of God. Not the opposite mind you, - God doesn’t have an opposite.

Paganism will get you a quick ticket into hell.

Uhhmmmm…that would be enough for me to reject paganism and convert to christianity.
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So it really is all about fear?
 
I think the Catholic response is set out in the CCC. Basically in my understanding because of sin (both original and personal) we live outside the grace and friendship of God and need redemption. By accepting God’s offer of salvation in Christ through faith and being baptised, one is redeemed of sin and becomes an adopted child of God, and through life in Christ and taking part in the sacraments, you become justified and sanctified and provided you persevere, will attain final salvation (union with God in heaven with all the angels and saints). If you reject all this though, and you die in a state of ‘mortal sin’, you are going ‘downstairs’ big-time for all eternity. That is my understanding of the Catholic teaching about salvation.
 
A late reply here, but… consider TRUTH.

What do you believe to be the truth? That is what you should ask yourself.

Is the truth that there are many gods or is pantheism true?
Is it true that crystals, the moon and plants have magical powers?

Or is Christianity (and in particular Catholicism) the truth?
Do you believe that following Christ is the path to salvation and eternal happiness?

No one can force you to believe in something or accept the truth. It’s something you need to workout for yourselg.
So it really is all about fear?
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No.

Some might use the hell-scare-tactic… but to ‘fear hell’ you must first believe that hell exists…

A pagan could threaten me, in theory, that is I do not worship Thor he will smite me with his mighty hammer… but I’d be amused at that point, rather than scared, since I do not believe Thor and his mighty hammer exist.

The warning about hell is intended to be no more than saying ‘do not put your hand into the fire or you will burn it’. Of course if I do not believe fire can harm me… I will hardly be scared and I might try putting my hand in it.

If you convert to Christianity you should do so because you believe it’s true, not because you are scared of some threat.
 
Simplistic Of Me, But I Would Say:
  1. You Get To Worship ONE God Instead Of Many And/Or Nature.
  2. You Get To Have A Personal Relationship With That One God (Unlike The Many Gods of Paganism, Where One May Or May Not Have Personal Relationships With The Individual Gods).
That is about as Far As I Can Go. 🤷

Ultimately, i agree with Others Here-----You Have To WANT to Be A Catholic. Up To You. 👍
 
SedesDomi said:
Here are a few reasons:
  1. Jesus is Cernunnos-Incarnate, the Lord in human flesh.
  2. Mary is the Daughter of the Triple Goddess, Maiden/Mother/Crone in one.
  3. The Eucharist is the Body (Masculine Deity) and the Blood (Feminine Deity).
  4. A female Mary giving birth to a male Christ? That means Mary is the Mother of God, as Isis is the Mother of Horus. That implies a type of primacy of the Feminine in relationship to the Masculine. Without Mother Earth, there can be no Father Sky.
  5. Alternatively, to provide balance, the Catholic tradition also emphasizes the Masculine aspects of God. Well, we all know this, but not all of us know about the possibilities in #4 above.
  6. The only way to Jesus, is through Mary. Likewise, the only way to Salvation, is through the Feminine (Mother Earth, Mother Nature – wind, air, earth, sky, plants, animals, the whole ecological and environmental eco-space we call ‘home’!).
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:p:p:p

Good Spin On Things.
 
You DO Make A Good point, Carnelian.

I Personally would Not want to live In Fear Of Displeasing Odin Or Zeus Or Whatever.

Particularly Zeus. Seeing as He Could Also Steal And Rape My Beautiful Daughter And Impregnate Her (IF I Had a Daughter, of Course) Among Other Things. :p:shrug:

And Then, Of Course, I’d Have To Deal With Hera, Who Would Then Proceed To Take Her Jealous rage Out On Me and My Daughter (Of Course) Instead Of her Hubby Zeus. 🤷

Yep, The Gods Are VERY Arbitrary. 👍
 
Ismael said:
A late reply here, but… consider TRUTH.

What do you believe to be the truth? That is what you should ask yourself.

Is the truth that there are many gods or is pantheism true?
Is it true that crystals, the moon and plants have magical powers?

Or is Christianity (and in particular Catholicism) the truth?
Do you believe that following Christ is the path to salvation and eternal happiness?

No one can force you to believe in something or accept the truth. It’s something you need to workout for yourselg.

No.

Some might use the hell-scare-tactic… but to ‘fear hell’ you must first believe that hell exists…

A pagan could threaten me, in theory, that is I do not worship Thor he will smite me with his mighty hammer… but I’d be amused at that point, rather than scared, since I do not believe Thor and his mighty hammer exist.

The warning about hell is intended to be no more than saying ‘do not put your hand into the fire or you will burn it’. Of course if I do not believe fire can harm me… I will hardly be scared and I might try putting my hand in it.

If you convert to Christianity you should do so because you believe it’s true, not because you are scared of some threat.
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Indeed.👍
 
mangy_dog said:
Paganism is a pretty broad stroke that can encompass a lot of cultic and demonic practices.

Be that as it may, paganism, antique or neo, is of the devil. The devil is against God and all that is of God. Not the opposite mind you, - God doesn’t have an opposite.

Paganism will get you a quick ticket into hell.

Uhhmmmm…that would be enough for me to reject paganism and convert to christianity.
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I DON’T Think CyBerWolf001 will Buy That Explanation.:rolleyes:
 
mflorence said:
Hinduism is monotheistic. It will appear otherwise until you become one, and it takes years of study comprehend. What you believe fits into what they believe, which is why they hardly ever convert to other religions, nor do they usually try to convert others to theirs. You could send every missionary on the planet to India and you would see very few converts. They would take your statue of Jesus into their home and put it next to their statue of Krishna or Ram and bless it. Then they would feed you, bless you and send you on your way. After you were gone, they might do mantra to Jesus on the funny-looking japa mala beads you left them**, and think how nice it was of Krishna to visit the Palestinians in His Jesus permutation.**
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Could it be that you are mixing up Hare Krishna (which is a Hindu-cult) with “real” Hinduism? (see the sentence marked bold).
 
cheese_sdc said:
From an energetic perspective, the ritual of the Mass is elementally balanced:

Fire: Candles/Incense
Water: Holy Water
Earth: Eucharist
Air: The proclamation of the Word/Incense

Energy is raised (in my experience, it climaxes at the Our Father - your milage may vary), and then grounded by eating (Eucharist).

Many of the same holidays are celebrated, and in much the same way - Easter (Ostara), All Souls (Samhain), Yule (Christmas)… and even though Beltaine, Imbolic, Lughnasadh, and the others aren’t, there’s nothing stopping you from celebrating those (in a Christian way).

You can still even still light a candle for a special intention.
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I really find these anologies interesting.
But don’t you think if a JW or a SDA would read this post, you would give him common ground for their usual accussations (like: “Catholics do celebrate Pagan holidays. The Eucharist is Pagan, the liturgy of mass is pagan!” etc)?
 
SedesDomi said:
Here are a few reasons:
  1. Jesus is Cernunnos-Incarnate, the Lord in human flesh.
  2. Mary is the Daughter of the Triple Goddess, Maiden/Mother/Crone in one.
  3. The Eucharist is the Body (Masculine Deity) and the Blood (Feminine Deity).
  4. A female Mary giving birth to a male Christ? That means Mary is the Mother of God, as Isis is the Mother of Horus. That implies a type of primacy of the Feminine in relationship to the Masculine. Without Mother Earth, there can be no Father Sky.
  5. Alternatively, to provide balance, the Catholic tradition also emphasizes the Masculine aspects of God. Well, we all know this, but not all of us know about the possibilities in #4 above.
  6. The only way to Jesus, is through Mary. Likewise, the only way to Salvation, is through the Feminine (Mother Earth, Mother Nature – wind, air, earth, sky, plants, animals, the whole ecological and environmental eco-space we call ‘home’!).
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Could you also say to stay with anologies: The Saints are the “pagan Gods”?
Because every Saint is a patron of something. (Like St. Niclas of the Children, or St. Florian of the Fire-Brigade)?
Because each God also was a sort of patron, wasn’t he? Like Neptun/Poseidon for the Sea and thus for fishermen etc.
Or would this lead to far?
 
There is only one reason you should turn away from Paganism and towards Christ:

Jesus’s love.

Jesus loves you more than the universe itself and wishes to spend eternity with you.

That’s about all there is to it.

Either you want this too, or you don’t.
 
cyberwolf001 said:
Sense we have many of us talking on here I thought I’d bring this subject up. I am big on cutting to the meat of an issue.

I’ve seen many Why be Catholic articles but most are aimed at Atheists, Jews and Protestants.

So what reasons would a Neo-Pagan need to be Catholic.

Let us skip over the usual, turn or burn deals also. An of course keep it civil my good men and women. ^.^
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Because Catholicism (and/or Orthodoxy) is the best–perhaps the only–way to be a pagan, at least within the Western tradition.

Granted, as some pagans have pointed out in another thread, this is true in part because of violence against pagans. But to be a pagan is to be to some extent a “reconstructionist,” and what you reconstruct is never the same as the original thing. If you value continuity, tradition, the mystery of the divine, etc.,–then traditional (Catholic or Orthodox) Christianity is the obvious choice (again, speaking within the European/Mediterranean cultural tradition).

Now I’m not saying that this is the only or best reason, but it’s the reason that may be most relevant to the priorities of at least some pagans.

Edwin
 
cyberwolf001 said:
Sense we have many of us talking on here I thought I’d bring this subject up. I am big on cutting to the meat of an issue.

I’ve seen many Why be Catholic articles but most are aimed at Atheists, Jews and Protestants.

So what reasons would a Neo-Pagan need to be Catholic.

Let us skip over the usual, turn or burn deals also. An of course keep it civil my good men and women. ^.^
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Because Catholicism (and/or Orthodoxy) is the best–perhaps the only–way to be a pagan, at least within the Western tradition.

Granted, as some pagans have pointed out in another thread, this is true in part because of violence against pagans. But to be a pagan is to be to some extent a “reconstructionist,” and what you reconstruct is never the same as the original thing. If you value continuity, tradition, the mystery of the divine, etc.,–then traditional (Catholic or Orthodox) Christianity is the obvious choice (again, speaking within the European/Mediterranean cultural tradition).

Now I’m not saying that this is the only or best reason, but it’s the reason that may be most relevant to the priorities of at least some pagans.

I realize that this is an old thread, but it’s relevant to the other thread which is more recent. . . .

Edwin
 
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