Why should abortion be rare?

[Feste_1242]

It certainly can’t be on the basis of self-defense, since an unborn child cannot be morally aggressive.

What do you mean by “morally aggressive”?

I dont equate abortion with killing of a human being its not the same thing.

Hahaha, oh I don’t know how many times I’ve heard this. Yes, it is the same thing.

I mean i guess it should be rare because it is considered a last resort Its hard for me because I dont really have a stake in the issue.

What do you mean, no stake in the issue? All the stake a person needs is an opinion on the issue. You don’t have to have experienced it.

But *why *should it be rare? I mean, if there’s nothing wrong with it, why hold back?

Its hard to say in a certain sense your right. I mean one reason why young black women decide to have children at such a young age is because they feel the world is against them and they need someone to reciprocate that love. There is also the existential stereotypical welfare queen who has children and gets a check for each child she has from the government.

Does it matter why someone gets an abortion? Either you think a fetus is a human, which means abortion is wrong no matter what, or you think it isn’t a human, in which case you’d be wrong.

Appeal to Emotion

Not really; it’s a solid fact.

I Know this is offtopic but you know what i find funny about this? The prolife community seems to be so concerned with preserving a life that it unintentionally seems callous towards civillians died in war or genocide like Darfur. Srry for the tanget but i just had to say it.

Drop the red herring back into the ocean.

mlchance;4082563:

So then you think the conditions which legitimate self-defense should be common?

– Mark L. Chance.

Yes.

I’m going to take the liberty of correcting a potential misunderstanding. I think everyone agrees: The conditions which make self-defense necessary should not be common. However, it should be common to exercise self-defense *under *those conditions.

 

[puzzleannie]

Because people who make such statements also believe that the use of logic should be legal…but rare.

best answer yet

 

[Chris_LaRock]

What does self defense have to do with killing babies?

Another red herring…!

 

[estesbob]

What does self defense have to do with killing babies?

Another red herring…!

There is a school of thought that the child is akin to a parasite or a cancer “attacking” the Mothers Body. Under that scenarion I guess they could claim killing the child is self defense.

Of course this all points again to the convoluted though process one mus use to support this evil.

 

[Caesar517]

There is a school of thought that the child is akin to a parasite or a cancer “attacking” the Mothers Body. Under that scenarion I guess they could claim killing the child is self defense.

It’s one of the more disturbing and surprisingly common things I’ve come across.

Of course this all points again to the convoluted though process one mus use to support this evil.

It does indeed.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

There is a school of thought that the child is akin to a parasite or a cancer “attacking” the Mothers Body. Under that scenarion I guess they could claim killing the child is self defense.

Of course this all points again to the convoluted though process one mus use to support this evil.

And that is why I block pro-aborts. Their “ideology” is responsible for more deaths than Hitler’s holocaust, and I don’t feel they should be dignified by being listened to.

 

[Calliso]

I think the safe legal but rare thing comes from prochoicers that really donlt like/agree with abortion, but think that it should be available in a limited way. Like lets say rape, danger to mothers life like serious danger and even very early pregnancy. However they in many/most cases feel that there are many other options other then abortions and these should be encouraged and looked into first obviously. They also believe that there should be more support and what not to encourage and help women not to choose an abortion. But they also realize/think that just making abortion illegal across the board isn;t really a good solution. Like for instance the fact that many women would just try to get an abortion illegally and may end up killing themselves and the fetus as well. Then there is the fact of the small amount of women that NEED to terminate their pregnancies to save their lives. And in many of these cases the baby will die anyway so then you have two people dead. Now do I think there needs to be restrictions yes I do there is not enough now, but making it across the board illegal would just create more issues imo.

And by the way certain prolifers in this thread actually trying to see the prochoicers point of view not saying you have to agree with it just see it And not just painting everyone who doesn;t agree with your EXACT views with a nasty broad brush really helps. Cause your not convincing anyone with those tactics if anything your probably doing more to turn people off from the pure prolife side then any prochoicer could to turn them to prochoice.

 

[rlg94086]

I think the safe legal but rare thing comes from prochoicers that really donlt like/agree with abortion, but think that it should be available in a limited way. Like lets say rape, danger to mothers life like serious danger and even very early pregnancy. However they in many/most cases feel that there are many other options other then abortions and these should be encouraged and looked into first obviously. They also believe that there should be more support and what not to encourage and help women not to choose an abortion. But they also realize/think that just making abortion illegal across the board isn;t really a good solution. Like for instance the fact that many women would just try to get an abortion illegally and may end up killing themselves and the fetus as well. Then there is the fact of the small amount of women that NEED to terminate their pregnancies to save their lives. And in many of these cases the baby will die anyway so then you have two people dead. Now do I think there needs to be restrictions yes I do there is not enough now, but making it across the board illegal would just create more issues imo.

If “rare” meant just the two items I bolded, I would at least understand that stance. I wouldn’t agree with it, but I would understand it. I would dance a jig if we could get legislation passed (that withstands Supreme Court challenge) that limited abortion to rape and incest (the “life of the mother” is a difficult thing to quantify), even though I believe it should be completely outlawed.

However, when I’ve heard the “legal but rare” mantra, it usually is a nebulous term that means absolutely nothing.

 

[anon52328184]

i can’t even comprehend that someone would ask this question?

as for the poster who mentioned no link between pro-abortion and violence,

abortion is violent as far as i am concerned.

believe me, i am speaking from the standpoint that i remember what life was like in our country before abortion was made legal and the birth control pill.

we have taken the wrong road.

 

[wabrams]

Except, in many countries with restrictions against abortion and the availability of healthcare, there ARE lower abortion rates (and rate is not dependent on the amount of people).

No, there’s not a penny in REDUCTION, but there are more people and poverty is becoming a greater problem. Don’t believe me? Look at the economic situation of this country. **Minimum wage is no longer enough to survive off of. **

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Minimum wage was never meant as a way to support a family. Most people making minimum wage are in their teens to mid-20’s and single.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Minimum wage was never meant as a way to support a family. Most people making minimum wage are in their teens to mid-20’s and single.

You’ve never been to the Target or Walmart in my town. There are NO teens there. All the workers are adult women and men. I find it hard to believe they’re all single given their age range, but I suppose they could be.

 

[estesbob]

I think the safe legal but rare thing comes from prochoicers that really donlt like/agree with abortion, but think that it should be available in a limited way.** Like lets say rape, danger to mothers life like serious danger and even very pure prolife side then any prochoicer could to turn them to prochoice**.

If that was what they meant by rare it would’ve been a lot easier just to say safe and legal only in the case of rape incest and danger to the mother’s life.

Hope you’re not suggesting above that opposition to abortion leads people to support abortion. I know that sounds absolutely ridiculous that you would be surprised the number of people who believe the biggest cause of abortion in this country is people opposing it.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

If that was what they meant by rare it would’ve been a lot easier just to say safe and legal only in the case of rape incest and danger to the mother’s life.

Hope you’re not suggesting above that opposition to abortion leads people to support abortion. I know that sounds absolutely ridiculous that you would be surprised the number of people who believe the biggest cause of abortion in this country is people opposing it.

I don’t feel that a child who is the product of rape or incest is any less worthy of life than any other child.

The argument about abortion to save a woman’s life is bunk too. Most crisis pregnancies can be corrected without killing the child. The pro-aborts just use this as a red herring to justify killing children.

 

[sanctamaria17]

Minimum wage was never meant as a way to support a family. Most people making minimum wage are in their teens to mid-20’s and single.

Except I make just above minimum wage and most of my other colleagues (in the same job position) are older and mothers, single or not.

And there are plenty of families living off of minimum wage. A lot more than it seems.

 

[Calliso]

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Originally Posted by Calliso
I think the safe legal but rare thing comes from prochoicers that really donlt like/agree with abortion, but think that it should be available in a limited way. Like lets say rape, danger to mothers life like serious danger and even very pure prolife side then any prochoicer could to turn them to prochoice.

If that was what they meant by rare it would’ve been a lot easier just to say safe and legal only in the case of rape incest and danger to the mother’s life.

Hope you’re not suggesting above that opposition to abortion leads people to support abortion. I know that sounds absolutely ridiculous that you would be surprised the number of people who believe the biggest cause of abortion in this country is people opposing it.

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I am kinda curious about why you added something I said at the end of my post to something I said at the beginning? The last part doesn;t fit with the first part you quoted…

 

[Emmanuel111]

Abortion is against GOD’s Commandments. Because they are coward they can only fight the unfightable foe. They are trying to kill the possibilties that will destryoy them but the truth, The One who will destroy them is here!

 

[Sagefrakrobatik]

Except I make just above minimum wage and most of my other colleagues (in the same job position) are older and mothers, single or not.

And there are plenty of families living off of minimum wage. A lot more than it seems.

Doesnt it depend on where you live, I mean isnt cost of living relative to were you live? I mean I work at Target and I still live with my mom because I’m going to school but I would barely have anything after bills, insurance, and rent/mortgage how would I be able to support a family? Also I dont know if its true in most corporations but Target is stingy when it comes to giving people more hours there are only a few that make it to 40.

 

[Sagefrakrobatik]

Check out this verse from the Quran I stumbled upon; “And do not kill your children for fear of poverty; we give them sustenance and yourselves too.” (17:31).